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Chemtrails

Babbylonian said:
If you were really in the NWO you'd know that you should have gotten your anti-chemtrail vaccination as soon as you were born. This should also have left you with a scar that, when viewed under a microscope, looks like three 6's.
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I'm just a dumb liaison and my vaccination scar looks like three 9s :)
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
I can't remember where I saw it. I know I didn't buy it, so it must have been on the web somewhere. I think I saw two different documentaries. Because a friend from Portland was telling me about it.

Anyway, I'm sure the documentaries are out there, at the usual places. I recall they were VERY boring. Not sure if I even finished them.

There was some half-way interesting stuff. Instead of you who know nothing about the CT involved posturing and wasting your time writing clever slams on anybody who could believe such crap, why not at least find out what crap it is that you're slamming? (Not referring to you, Hallaeon).

And again, no I do not buy into the chemtrail thing. (Not yet!)
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Did you read PW's link? A long FAQ about chemtrails with not one verifiable fact supporting the hypothesis that they're anything out of the ordinary. It proposes numerous "theories" about what they are, dismisses some of them and offers no confirmation of any of them.

The bottom line for me goes a little something like this: Even if airplanes were leaving these "chemtrails" behind because of some unknown, powerful conspiracy, there's no scientific basis supporting the idea that chemicals "sprayed" so high up in the air could do anything significant to affect human biology once they reach the ground. Given the effects of wind alone, and assuming the chemicals make it all the way to the ground, the stuff would end up in homeopathic-type concentrations. Further, unless these chemicals are magically undetectable and their effects ridiculously long-term, scientists on the ground would be able to find them. Certainly, they must be very unusual - and thus conspicuous - chemicals to call for such a bizarre distribution method.

Besides, if such a conspiracy wanted to deliver a chemical to the population, there are much cheaper and "more" (meaning effective at all) effective ways to do so on the ground and still remain secret: Deliver it via drinking water, create pest infestations (e.g., gypsy moths) and deliver the chemical by trucks supposedly spraying to eliminate said infestations...I'm sure folks around here could come up with even more methods that would be both effective and clandestine - certainly more effective than spraying from thousands of feet in the air, and more clandestine than jet aircraft leaving visual "evidence" behind them...
 
Nobody has mentioned the theory that they are creating a grid of particles as part of some HAARP-based weapon system. Against we, the people. I remember reading something about that.

Oh, and then there's the theory that they are spraying to try to discover the particle grids that a foreign enemy has put in the atmosphere, for weaponized weather warfare against us.

That stuff is out there. (I know, WAY out there).
 
SLOB said:
Oh, dont forget the Flying Rods, another thing spawned by watching too much TV and surfing too much web.

/S
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Good lord, now we have flying rods to worry about! Can't we just have the coming swarm of locusts and end this thing?

(That flying rod thingie looks like the one in the Fox News video clip from the WTC).
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
The government started taking the vaccine the day they started spraying.

I think it's made by Bioport, which is owned by Carlyle Group.

(Just kidding).
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Which government? Them things are all over the world. And when did they start? Them things have existed ever since high-flying planes were invented (circa 1930).

Ahem, this seem a nice opportunity to promote my chemtrail article: http://www.hans-egebo.dk/skeptic/contrails.htm

Hans :D
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Nobody has mentioned the theory that they are creating a grid of particles as part of some HAARP-based weapon system. Against we, the people. I remember reading something about that.
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How come none of you rent a plane and go up there and take some samples of the chemtrails?

Don't you want to blow the conspiracy wide open and expose it to the world?
 
MRC_Hans said:
Which government? Them things are all over the world. And when did they start? Them things have existed ever since high-flying planes were invented (circa 1930).

Ahem, this seem a nice opportunity to promote my chemtrail article: http://www.hans-egebo.dk/skeptic/contrails.htm

Hans :D
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Didn't you write that at the time you were doing battle over at Chemtrail Central? Now where's that WW2 photo I posted on one of those old threads ... can't find the exact one but here's something similar -

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Good site btw with the following interesting quote
Designers of modern stealth aircraft must also be concerned about contrails since they can easily give away a plane's location to an observant enemy. While methods have been developed to inject (usually toxic) chemicals into a vehicle's exhaust to eliminate contrails, it's usually far more preferable to simply increase or decrease altitude until the atmospheric conditions no longer support their formation.
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- so you need to start worrying when you can't see the contrails!
 
jsiv said:
How come none of you rent a plane and go up there and take some samples of the chemtrails?

Don't you want to blow the conspiracy wide open and expose it to the world?
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If that's aimed at me, I guess you haven't read my other posts.
 
Dragon said:
Didn't you write that at the time you were doing battle over at Chemtrail Central? Now where's that WW2 photo I posted on one of those old threads ... can't find the exact one but here's something similar -

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/atmosphere/contrails/b17-contrails.jpg

Good site btw with the following interesting quote - so you need to start worrying when you can't see the contrails!
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Yeah, that was the time. Of course, they ended up banning me. Good picture. I plan on updating my site, and hope to put some pictures into that article (I have been taking a lot of contrail pictures, just for the heck of it).

Hans
 
JimBenArm said:
Chemtrails was probably one of the first lunatic ideas I came across on the intertubes! Of course, this fits all their paranoid ideas, so they latch onto it just as easily and as strongly as the 9/11 fantasies.
Ebil Gubmint spraying mysterious chemicals. Reasons? Well, we don't really have one, but darn it, it just seems right!
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Ha! You fool! The reasons are spelled out so clearly only a dolt could fail to understand :

"My own personal theory of chemtrails is that it's an attempt not so much to poison the populace, though that happens as a side effect of the droppings from the soup, which not only contains Barium Carbonate and aluminium salts but the all important mycoplasmas and blood cells and the like, but rather that it's an attempt to produce a persistant ionospheric oil-based DOR-transmitting emulsion, through which HAARP waves will be transmitted via the mobile masts/cell towers network, with the aim of damping down the ascending vibrational frequencies that the etheric field is emitting
In order for the controlling elite to sustain their guises and to keep the world's population enthralled and numbed. They're trying to bypass the 2012 uprising
The only workable way to counteract this I've found so far is via the Croftian orgone devices"

And you can thank the "orgone" crowd for the moderate 2006 US hurricane season, apparently.


(this is an unashamed plug for my March Stundie nomination. No fungi were harmed in the making of this post)
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
If that's aimed at me, I guess you haven't read my other posts.
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No offense, but that would be rather pointless - unless you are offering clear, incontrovertible evidence supporting your beliefs in this or other matters. Supposition isn't fact - even if it turns out to be correct eventually.
 
GlennB said:
Ha! You fool! The reasons are spelled out so clearly only a dolt could fail to understand :

"My own personal theory of chemtrails is that it's an attempt not so much to poison the populace, though that happens as a side effect of the droppings from the soup, which not only contains Barium Carbonate and aluminium salts but the all important mycoplasmas and blood cells and the like, but rather that it's an attempt to produce a persistant ionospheric oil-based DOR-transmitting emulsion, through which HAARP waves will be transmitted via the mobile masts/cell towers network, with the aim of damping down the ascending vibrational frequencies that the etheric field is emitting
In order for the controlling elite to sustain their guises and to keep the world's population enthralled and numbed. They're trying to bypass the 2012 uprising
The only workable way to counteract this I've found so far is via the Croftian orgone devices"

And you can thank the "orgone" crowd for the moderate 2006 US hurricane season, apparently.


(this is an unashamed plug for my March Stundie nomination. No fungi were harmed in the making of this post)
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I'm still trying to grasp where he says chemtrails contain blood cells...
 
A few things I've observed about "chemtrail" believers over the past few years:

They seem to have one method of distinguishing a "normal" contrail from a "chemtrail"- persistence. In the chemmie catechism, "normal" contrails dissipate in a matter of minutes, so any contrail which lasts longer, spreads or winds up as part of a newly-formed layer of cirrus clouds must be a chemtrail.

The thing is, this behavior has been observed as far back as WWII, when high-performance aircraft etched the skies of Europe with thousands upon thousands of contrails. I personally remember observing exactly the same thing- a set of five contrails which within a few hours had become identifiable lines in a layer of cirrus- on a nice fall day in 1968. The incident stuck in my memory because I happened to point it out to a classmate who was a black-belt meteorology buff and my, how he did go on about how and why clouds form and dissipate.

If persistence is the diagnostic feature of a "chemtrail", then an inescapable conclusion is that the eevil gummint conspiracy has been spraying us for nearly 40 years at minimum and perhaps for as long as 60 + years. It must not be working very quickly.

Chemmies, however, appear to be completely unaware that the thing which scares them so is by no means a new phenomenon, or of what the implications are for the "persistent contrails = chemtrails" hypothesis.

Anothe thing is that there's real scientific research going on into predicting the formation of persistent contrails with the intent to abate them, and this research isn't at all hard to find. Simply by Googling combinations of the keywords "contrails" "formation" and "persistence" I've turned up really interesting material about the experiental validation of predictive methods by making visual and photographic observations of contrail-forming aircraft, identifying the specific flights involved and their altitudes, obtaining data about weather conditions at those times and altitudes and correlating all that information with what theory predicts would happen.

For some reason, chemmies also seem to be completely oblivious to that work, as well as the history of contrails.

And finally, I can't help but notice that the rationalizations of why the eevil gummint conspiracy is spraying stuff all over the skies have changed dramatically without calling into question the existence of "chemtrails". "Back in the day", as it were, the popular belief was that it was chemical or biological substances intended to make us susceptible to diseases which the NWO would spread for the purpose of reducing the population, or chemicals intended to induce docility. Nowadays, chemmies are more likely to sieze on the fact that there have been some theoretical proposals that dispersing various substances in the atmosphere could be used to counter global warming as evidence in support of ravings about HAARP, weather control and electronic mind control.

It's interesting to see that the absurd inefficiency of using high-flying jets to disperse toxins or mind control chemicals may have sunk in through the chemmies' Alcoa beanies, but more interesting to see that the central belief- that the eevil gummint conspiracy is spraying something on a large scale for presumably evil purposes- retains its "protected from all doubt" status, irrespective of exactly what the evil purpose is claimed to be. This is theological, not scientific, thinking.

No matter what examples of chemical discharges for research purposes or Strangelovian-sounding ideas put forward by some scientists or engineers which conspiracist apologists might dredge up, the salient features of chemmie belief, which are common to most of the popular paranoid conspiracy theories in current circulation, remain. The backwards, start with the conclusion and cherry-pick, hammer and file the evidence to fit it reasoning, the insistence on using the most sinister available interpretation of observations, the circularity, the obliviousness to all information which fails to support or falsifies the PCT... it's all there.

And that, dear friends, is why I consider the conspiracist mode of thought, as a tool for understanding the world we live in, to be about as useful as a rubber screwdriver.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
How simple!
I think there is more to it than simply trails. From what I've read and seen in a couple documentaries...
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Stop. Tell us your theory.

This drives me nuts, the way certain woos feel the need to dance around and soften up their theories just because they're around skeptics. It just makes conversation frustrating.

Who was that other guy who came in and swore he wasn't a 9/11 troother, then said, "All I'm saying is the buildings had some 'assistance' coming down!"

Come on. Just be honest. Stop dancing.
 
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