Question About the WTC Core Collapse

[332nd]

Keep living in that fantasy land you folks. You can run all you want but you can't hide. I'm sure it feels safe having the "baaa" support but the truth is outside of JREF and you are living on borrowed time.

So the people that are searching for the "truth" that will bring the fascist rulers down, will silence the opposition if they should gain the majority?
Hmmmm.

ETA:

Vertical structures brought down by natural events tend to topple unless engineered to do otherwise.

Such as?

 

[kookbreaker]

What remained of the core...and there obviously wasn't much, still had a tenuous linkage.

Vertical structures brought down by natural events tend to topple unless engineered to do otherwise.

Where do you get that nonsense?

Keep living in that fantasy land you folks. You can run all you want but you can't hide. I'm sure it feels safe having the "baaa" support but the truth is outside of JREF and you are living on borrowed time.

"Krusty is coming! Krusty is coming!"

Once again: Contrary to pretty much every engineer in the world.

 

[apathoid]

What remained of the core...and there obviously wasn't much, still had a tenuous linkage.

Vertical structures brought down by natural events tend to topple unless engineered to do otherwise.

Keep living in that fantasy land you folks. You can run all you want but you can't hide. I'm sure it feels safe having the "baaa" support but the truth is outside of JREF and you are living on borrowed time.

MM

I don't even see what MM and scoobs are getting at here. So, are you two saying that after the controlled demolition of the outer tube(perimeter columns, floors), they performed another one in the core, just so it wouldn't fall over sideways? I thought the CD supposedly took out the core columns - if that was the case, wouldn't the core fail before the outer tube?
Spell it out for me...

 

[kookbreaker]

Now that's what I call a Skeptic.

That's what I call an idiot who thinks he's smarter than all the engineers in the world.

 

[scooby]

Hello,

This is my first post & thread so please take it easy on me! For the past year I have been working for the CIA, FBI, FEMA, NIST, and the Bush administration. The location of my work is not classified as I am well known at the ATS site. To them, I am the beast... the shill..the troll...whatever the favorite term for the day is to label someone with common sense.

My problem, i am not at all good with physics and engineering. I had a question asked of me in regards to the last part of the core than remained standing for a short time after the collapse. I was asked WHY it fell straight down after the global collapse had occurred and why it didn't fall "over". I really don't have an educated guess as to how or why.

Not sure if this has ever been brought up in here. I do come in here often to read the threads, but don't recall ever seeing any such question.

Any help you could give me would be much appreciated.

Thanks

I've got an excellent way you can demonstrate what happened.

You take a piece of plastic drainage pipe about 1 metre long and insert a steel rod the same length.

Now make the steel rod collapse vertically down the pipe.

 

[scooby]

Quote:
Vertical structures brought down by natural events tend to topple unless engineered to do otherwise.


Such as?

Leaning Tower of Pisa, slowly, for hundreds of years.
Did you miss it?

 

[332nd]

I've got an excellent way you can demonstrate what happened.

You take a piece of plastic drainage pipe about 1 metre long and insert a steel rod the same length.

Now make the steel rod collapse vertically down the pipe.

There you have it folks! The core was one solid peice of steel!

 

[kookbreaker]

I've got an excellent way you can demonstrate what happened.

You take a piece of plastic drainage pipe about 1 metre long and insert a steel rod the same length.

Now make the steel rod collapse vertically down the pipe.

/points and laughs.

You guys still think the tower was some kind of solid mass.

 

[332nd]

Leaning Tower of Pisa, slowly, for hundreds of years.
Did you miss it?

I seem to have missed the part where it fell.

ETA: I also missed the part where they screwed up the foundation for the WTC.

 

[kookbreaker]

Leaning Tower of Pisa, slowly, for hundreds of years.
Did you miss it?

Ah, so now failure of Pisan foundation surface is the same as a massive fire in a building?

Seriously, what do you have to do to your brain to think these things are equivelant? Hit it with Ball-peen hammers?

 

[A W Smith]

What remained of the core...and there obviously wasn't much, still had a tenuous linkage.

Vertical structures brought down by natural events tend to topple unless engineered to do otherwise.

Keep living in that fantasy land you folks. You can run all you want but you can't hide. I'm sure it feels safe having the "baaa" support but the truth is outside of JREF and you are living on borrowed time.

MM

I am reminded of a radio tower tragedy in the Midwest if i recall. They were using a guy derrick on top of this huge tower to place an antennae element. The rigging snapped and sheared off one guy wire. want to know which direction the tower fell? straight down. Figure THAT out.

 

[Rahne Everson]

I've got an excellent way you can demonstrate what happened.

You take a piece of plastic drainage pipe about 1 metre long and insert a steel rod the same length.

Now make the steel rod collapse vertically down the pipe.

Yes because buildings and pipes are made in the same way.[/sarcasm]

 

[scooby]

There you have it folks! The core was one solid peice of steel!

No it was many pieces of steel, welded and bolted together, we all know that.
But a thin steel rod would represent a vertical column closely enough.
So come on Magneto, try and make it collapse vertically through a drainpipe - without touching it by the way, let gravity do the work for you. See if you can get it to telescope into the ground through a drainpipe. If you can do that, we can bring the boy's home and send you in to finish things off.

 

[kookbreaker]

But a thin steel rod would represent a vertical column closely enough.

 

[WildCat]

No it was many pieces of steel, welded and bolted together, we all know that.
But a thin steel rod would represent a vertical column closely enough.
So come on Magneto, try and make it collapse vertically through a drainpipe - without touching it by the way, let gravity do the work for you. See if you can get it to telescope into the ground through a drainpipe. If you can do that, we can bring the boy's home and send you in to finish things off.

What makes you think the core columns went straight down? Are you denying they buckled at all?

 

[kookbreaker]

What makes you think the core columns went straight down? Are you denying they buckled at all?

I think he's trying to bring back that 'telescoping columns' nonsense that Roxdog tried to peddle many moons ago.

 

[Thunder]

The core did not collapse. It was vaporized by the Death Star. Open your eyes and see the truuf!!!

 

[Rahne Everson]

I am reminded of a radio tower tragedy in the Midwest if i recall. They were using a guy derrick on top of this huge tower to place an antennae element. The rigging snapped and sheared off one guy wire. want to know which direction the tower fell? straight down. Figure THAT out.

I remember seeing video of that, probably on the Discovery Channel or National Geographic. The tower snapped in a few places as the guy wires grew slack and fell straight down. Incidentally so did the remaining core of the Towers in the video I've seen of it.

 

[scooby]

What makes you think the core columns went straight down? Are you denying they buckled at all?

Mr Herbert's your man, you look up and read his post you'll soon work out which columns we're talking about, I think you'll find this post redundant.

 

[332nd]

No it was many pieces of steel, welded and bolted together, we all know that.
But a thin steel rod would represent a vertical column closely enough.
So come on Magneto, try and make it collapse vertically through a drainpipe - without touching it by the way, let gravity do the work for you. See if you can get it to telescope into the ground through a drainpipe. If you can do that, we can bring the boy's home and send you in to finish things off.

So a solid steel rod is the same as shorter rods welded together?