"AIDS cure suppressed for about 10 years"

[Expression_man]

The very question you should be asking about the electrical cure. Where are the cured patients?

Don't talk rubbish. All I've ever asked for in this thread is evidence. Of course I'm looking into it. What makes you think the topic is up for a balanced discussion though?

This entire thread is a waste of time.

 

[Luke T.]

Don't talk rubbish. All I've ever asked for in this thread is evidence.

Evidence of what? We aren't making any claims. We are saying the claim that is made is bogus and has nothing to support it.

But even so, evidence that it is bogus has been provided. I'm sorry if it offends you that the claim of an electrical cure for AIDS is bogus, but sometimes the truth really sucks. Don't you think I wanted the proposed cure for my brother to work? Don't you think my brother wanted it to work? You think WE would have suppressed it if it really worked?

People who offer bogus cures are part of the problem, Expression Man. They offer false hope, time wasting diversions, and confusion. And you attack US for pointing them out?

Of course I'm looking into it. What makes you think the topic is up for a balanced discussion though?

This entire thread is a waste of time.

No, it isn't. It alerts people to a bogus treatment.

Some things don't deserve balance. They deserve nothing but scorn. This is one of those things.

 

[fls]

Don't talk rubbish. All I've ever asked for in this thread is evidence. Of course I'm looking into it. What makes you think the topic is up for a balanced discussion though?

This entire thread is a waste of time.

I'd be interested in seeing evidence as well. I see these claims made all the time - that the pharmaceutical companies can interfere with the actions of private individuals to such a degree that we can be prevented from hearing about quite amazing discoveries, that in vitro effects can be assumed to translate to in vivo effects (let's make it easier and set the bar at more than one time in ten), that simple controlled trials are prohibitively expensive to run, that physicians are not interested in using treatments that accomplish exactly what physicians spend all their time hoping to accomplish, etc.

Normally, we find out about effective treatments because evidence for their benefit is forthcoming, while those without benefit fall by the wayside. So if something that has fallen by the wayside wants to make claims that lack of evidence in their case is due to extraordinary circumstances, I sure wouldn't mind seeing some evidence that these extraordinary circumstances are actually real.

Linda

 

[bruto]

I'm reminded in this thread of the spams I used to get for a while for "the forbidden CD," that supposedly contained programs that were not available. Or those books you still see with titles like "12 thousand secrets they don't want you to know." And yet, there they are. For suppressed information, it sure does get around.

If the big bad drug company conspiracy were as big and bad and conspiratorial as some people would like us to believe, this thread would not exist.

 

[Fnord]

Put up or shut up.

Don't talk rubbish. All I've ever asked for in this thread is evidence. Of course I'm looking into it.

Then provide the evidence. We've done our research and found any claims of a cure with Blood Electrification to be bogus.

What makes you think the topic is up for a balanced discussion though?

This topic is open for balanced discussion. Unfortunately, there is no clinical proof of en vivo efficacy to provide that balance.

The claim is "Blood Electrification Cures Aids." The claim lacks evidence. It is an extraordinary claim, nonetheless. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof. Provide the proof and the claim is validated. Sufficient proof would be that a former AIDS patient has been cured by Blood Electrification, backed up with substantiated records and repeatable results. Lack of sufficient proof is failure to prove the claim.

Proof of claim is all we ask.

This entire thread is a waste of time.

Then, as the saying goes, "Put up or shut up!"

 

[bruto]

Expression man: here's another patented medical procedure for whose inexcusable suppression we might also blame the cupidity of big pharma. I mean, it's patented, right? It must be worth something, right?

Digital analysis of illness

 

[Gilmar]

And gee, if it can cure AIDS, then it can probably cure a whole bunch of other blood-borne viral illnesses. It should be really easy for the proponents to test its effectiveness on something much less nasty. AFAIK, we have nothing that kills viruses -- antibiotics only work on bacteria and the like. It would be an amazing breakthrough!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

And gee, if it can cure AIDS, then it can probably cure a whole bunch of other blood-borne viral illnesses. It should be really easy for the proponents to test its effectiveness on something much less nasty. AFAIK, we have nothing that kills viruses -- antibiotics only work on bacteria and the like. It would be an amazing breakthrough!

Actually, we have a lot of antiviral drugs. Not all viral infections are curable though.

 

[gfunkusarelius]

am i missing something? i didn't read thru the original links too throughly, but i thought the point was that those pages showed you where to purchase the device or how to build your own. doesn't that mean that:
a) the secret is out, so this repression of info is no longer an excuse for why there are no armies of healed patients and
b) due to the first point, if only a few people with aids actually tried these implements and methods and had any success at all, it would spread like wildfire thru the community and this discussion would be inundated in a matter of hours with people saying "don't listen to them, this cured [insert loved one here]"

 

[Fnord]

... doesn't that mean that:
a) the secret is out, so this repression of info is no longer an excuse for why there are no armies of healed patients and
b) due to the first point, if only a few people with aids actually tried these implements and methods and had any success at all, it would spread like wildfire thru the community and this discussion would be inundated in a matter of hours with people saying "don't listen to them, this cured [insert loved one here]"

Exactly.

First, I just now Googled the phrase "Blood Electrification" and received 622 hits. Then, as a control measure, I Googled my real name and received only 7 hits. There is no supression of "Blood Electrification," either its principles or its mechanism.

Second, I have found no person who has been cured of AIDS with this device. No, not one. Such a cure -- one that is both effective and inexpensive -- would by now have eliminated AIDS in all but the most remote regions in third-world countries.

Blood Electrification does not cure AIDS. It's just that simple.

 

[Fnord]

Oh, something else...

I've looked into the schematic and principles of these devices, and even built one. Sure, it produces a 4-Hertz square wave with an amplitude of about 26 volts peak-to-peak. But, so what?

The woo comes in when the designers claim that the device's output is precisely one-half of the Earth's resonant frquency of "7.826 Hz."

Google "Schumann Wave" and look for the articles by Mark Barner. Here is a quote from one of them:

"There has been a lot of misleading information regarding the value of the 'Schumann Wave.' There is no one specific value for it, due to the ever-changing nature of the Earth's ionosphere. Conclusion: Any modal frequency of the 'Schumann Wave' phenomenon may vary by as much as 22.5% (or more) over an arbitrary span of time. This is due to changes in the minimum and maximum height of the ionosphere, it's composition and it's thickness. Note also that beyond the 4th modal harmonic, all wavebands will increasingly overlap. Therefore, to declare the value of 7.83 Hz as the 'absolute, correct and only Schumann Wave' frequency is to commit an error."

First of all, a 22.5% variation in the "Earth's Resonant Frequency" means that 4 Hz is one arbitrary value chosen from a range of values (3.55 Hz to 4.45 Hz).

Second, the frequency that most woo people accept as the Schumann Wave is 7.826 Hz

(This is because the US power line frequency of 60 Hz, multiplied by 3, and then divided by 23 equals 7.8260869565217391304347826086957 Hz. This is one of the "Magic Numbers" of woo.)

Divide 7.826 Hz by 2, and you get 3.913 Hz, NOT 4.000 Hz (although both values do fall within the 22.5% range.)

My Point?

These "Blood Electrification" devices rely on alleged relationships between the protein coat of an AIDS virus, the number 23, the American power line frequency, and random fluctuations in the Earth's ionosphere.

May as well wave a dead chicken over an AIDS patient while shouting "OOGA-BOOGA!"

The Blood Electrification devices are a waste of time, money, and hope.

 

[Belz...]

Not at all. The technology has multiple patents on it and while they're in question it's still worth investigating if only to clear up the misconceptions involved with them.

Bleach and spuds, wtf are you people talking about?

You're not very good at this, are you ?




The critical thinking, I mean.

 

[Fnord]

The more I look into this crap, the more I find.

According to the "Foremost Website on the Beck Protocols" Mr. Beck, the namesake and originator of the "Beck Protocols," is dead. He died in July of 2002.

I'm trying to find out what he died of, and why his own protocols were useless in saving him.

 

[Luke T.]

Oh, something else...

I've looked into the schematic and principles of these devices, and even built one. Sure, it produces a 4-Hertz square wave with an amplitude of about 26 volts peak-to-peak. But, so what?

See post 4 of this topic.

 

[Luke T.]

The more I look into this crap, the more I find.

According to the "Foremost Website on the Beck Protocols" Mr. Beck, the namesake and originator of the "Beck Protocols," is dead. He died in July of 2002.

I'm trying to find out what he died of, and why his own protocols were useless in saving him.

It's like the way "The Secret" crowd says Einstein, Newton, Da Vinci all used it (The Secret).

A lot of sham artists add the names of famous dead people onto their products like so many Post-It Notes. Some sort of after-death testimonial endorsement horses**t.

Could be this guy Beck knew his procedure didn't work and would not support what is being done in his name.

The doctor who we took my brother to see found that his idea didn't work either, and he walked away from it, like any good scientist would from a failed hypothesis that didn't bear up.

ETA: Reading the link, it sounds like Beck would support what is being done in his name. Art Bell? This was his way of getting the word out? Not JAMA?

 

[Fnord]

See post 4 of this topic.

Yeah ... I thought it'd help to elaborate, and provide a real-world reference or two.

 

[Slimething]

I'm trying to find out what he died of, and why his own protocols were useless in saving him.

I tried that too. Despite the great number of sites praising this guy, I couldn't find a ghost of a hint as to what did the geezer in. I believe this information is being suppressed!

 

[Slimething]

Reading the link, it sounds like Beck would support what is being done in his name. Art Bell? This was his way of getting the word out? Not JAMA?

Quoting from one of the links in the OP:

...we had some very uncomfortable full-blown AIDS patients while they were detoxifying. All are now completely well and symptom free.

He had "various" AIDS patients which, to my simple mind, means at least two test subjects. Saved from the ravages of AIDS, no less, by ingesting a concoction containing a known carcinogen (ozone) both orally and rectally. Maybe he didn't publish because the patients died of soft-tissue pathology soon afterwards? Frankly, the account can only be construed by anyone with even fleeting knowledge of human physiology as pure hokum.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I tried that too. Despite the great number of sites praising this guy, I couldn't find a ghost of a hint as to what did the geezer in. I believe this information is being suppressed!

Born 1925, died 2002, age 77. From the descriptions here, I'd say the guy was overweight and quite immobile then got sicker and sicker, probably from one thing after another, until he died. From the sound of things you really have to wonder why none of this guy's believers noticed the stuff didn't exactly work on him.

From a "friend's" website:

...he did have a long illness which kept him in bed for a long period of time...


INFIRMITY FOR A WHILE…A nurse friend from San Diego came and took care of him for part of that time, and I can only imagine that it was extremely stressful for her to live with his rigid requirements and discomfort. I met her. It seemed to me that she avoided speaking to him, or being anywhere near him. He had the good grace to speak well of her. He also had a friend who stayed with him and took care of chores. His friend later ended up in prison for murder, of which everyone I talked to though he was innocent.

A close friend of his, who is an engineer for a major aerospace company, got the company alternative therapy lady to come see him, burned some sage on a cookie sheet at the foot of his bed (it may have been more complicated, but that’s how he described it), and even though it was quite painful, he came out of it immediately.

It left him with the bad knees. He could pretty much walk to the car, drive, and walk into the restaurant for breakfast (and lunch and dinner), but that was all. He didn’t like to drive any distance, like to Pasadena, so I drove him there for the alternative health events. He had another friend who had given him a lot of help on another project, who strongly recommended exercise even if it had to be artificially administered with electrodes at the top and bottom of the muscles on the inner thigh (the ones that go first and are the hardest to get back), but as cheaply as this friend could have helped him, as convenient as he could have made it, and as much as it would have helped him, he refused, preferring to hobble uncomfortably from apartment to car to restaurant

He used a Hoby-Cart when he went to swap meets and alternative health events, but did not take it on the airplane to the Science Congress...

In the last six months or so that I lived with him, I pretty much collected all the bills and paid them as we went along, including the hospital bills, mostly without mentioning it to him. (Although I can tell you that if you have a big hospital bill, and offer to pay it in cash, they will probably give you as much as a 50% discount.)....

HIATAL HERNIA…He had a hiatal hernia, and was not able to keep anything down. One of his “Black Boxes” seemed to be helping him lose weight, a life-long struggle for him. If he hadn’t gotten Botox treatments for the hiatal hernia, he would have spent more of his last few years very uncomfortably. These Botox treatments were at least six months apart. He thought the “Black Box” was helping him lose weight, and I’m sure it was good for his health, but it was the Hiatal Hernia that was really making him way too thin. Everything he ate or drank came right back up!....

Here's more evidence of the genius of this guy.

BOOSTING THE IQ—II It is reputed, and I can e-mail a copy of the paper on the subject, to cure the symptoms of drug addiction, depression, and migraines, among other things. I found that within five days after starting to use it, I no longer wanted chocolate, and the prickly stress pains in my stomach disappeared. I eat chocolate now, but those pains never came back. I also found that people started remarking that I must be a genius. I didn’t think anything of it, until Bob told me about the experiments they ran on college students six weeks before the final exam in their physics class, along with IQ tests before 3 weeks of the brain tuner and 6 weeks after, at the time of the final exam. It improves something, maybe comprehension, maybe IQ. Bob and I discussed it, and it is one of the things we agreed on about human knowledge and intelligence: NO MATTER WHAT THE TREATMENT OR THEORY, THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT REASON FOR IT THAN THE ONE CURRENTLY BELIEVED. (See what is currently happening in Quantum Physics!) IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE BRAIN TUNER WAS JUST KILLING GERMS AND VIRUSES, ALTHOUGH THE USUAL EXPLANATION IS THAT IT IS NORMALIZING BRAIN WAVES WITH A SQUARE WAVE, and making more neural connections. Bob and I felt that this applied equally to the other “Black Boxes” such as the one with the electrodes on the wrist for AIDS (curing the symptoms of 40 diseases we don’t even know are there yet!). There are bioelectric names for each, but I will talk about them generally as “Black Boxes” and specifically for what each one does that can legally be claimed (like preserving plants and stimulating their growth) and for what it may do for me specifically, or for people I know.

A NEW LEASE ON LIFE…FOR BOB AND FOR THE AIDS PATIENTS…When Bob got his teeth into the AIDS—HIV issue, it gave a great deal of direction and purpose to the last 10 or 12 years of his life. And couldn’t we all use that! He was retired from Color Lab, but it had to feel pretty important and distinctly worthwhile to realize intuitively, when he read about someone at Albert Einstein College removing blood from an AIDS patient, running a current through it to kill the virus (and any other germs, including 40 we may not even know about), and returning the blood to the patient, THAT IT WAS A SHORT STEP FROM THAT TO USING ELECTRODES ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BODY OVER TWO VESSELS ON THE ANKLE OR THE WRIST FOR 20 MINUTES OR MORE A DAY, TO KILL THE VIRUS!

Here's a whole list of things that didn't keep ol' Bob very healthy.

 

[bruto]

It's powerful science indeed that can not only remove viruses without apparently knowing whether they exist, but even count the number! Hats off, gentlemen! A genius.