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Cindy Approaches the Twoof

DavidJames said:
How generous of you to tell a mother how she should react to her sons death and how she should act on her thoughts.

:rolleyes:
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People under grief act in all sorts of weird ways. Cindy Sheehan is acting on her own grief; like how the family members of 9/11 are acting on their grief because they aren't getting the answers they want.

As I stated, I lost two close friends to the war in Iraq, and Im close with their family; none of them are using their son's deaths to push/promote any of their beliefs (anti-war or not) on the public. Instead, since their deaths, we got together on their birthdays and for the new years, and celebrated their life and how proud that they were soldiers.
 
William Rea said:
No, Cindy Sheehan had a direct relationship with her son, so she does not fall into the same category as you and me.
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proof? He was a soldier, meaning that he was away from her, and stationed at a base probably far from her. Do you even know how "direct" that relationship was? You're just guessing. She could say "hey, i talked to him everyday", doesn't mean that was direct. doesn't mean he told her everything he believed. I talk to my mother every other day; she still has no idea what my political beliefs are or my religious beliefs are.
 
Arus808 said:
People under grief act in all sorts of weird ways. Cindy Sheehan is acting on her own grief; like how the family members of 9/11 are acting on their grief because they aren't getting the answers they want.

As I stated, I lost two close friends to the war in Iraq, and Im close with their family; none of them are using their son's deaths to push/promote any of their beliefs (anti-war or not) on the public. Instead, since their deaths, we got together on their birthdays and for the new years, and celebrated their life and how proud that they were soldiers.
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I am sorry for your loss and glad that you have found a way to help you come to terms with it.

Sounds like Cindy Sheehan is as well in her own way.
 
Arus808 said:
proof? He was a soldier, meaning that he was away from her, and stationed at a base probably far from her. Do you even know how "direct" that relationship was? You're just guessing. She could say "hey, i talked to him everyday", doesn't mean that was direct. doesn't mean he told her everything he believed. I talk to my mother every other day; she still has no idea what my political beliefs are or my religious beliefs are.
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Are you really denying that she would have a better idea than either you or I?
 
William Rea said:
Are you really denying that she would have a better idea than either you or I?
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Im not denying anything. I just believe that she is prolonging her own grief because she likes the attention she is getting.
 
Arus808 said:
Im not denying anything. I just believe that she is prolonging her own grief because she likes the attention she is getting.
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OK, I'm stopping posting here. I clearly don't have the emotional investment in this topic in the same way that you do.
 
gumboot said:
It's the polarisation that amazes me...

On the rare occassion that I express my opinions on the Iraq war I get called names by both sides!

-Gumboot
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What amazes me is how people demonize the "other side" so much. Conservatives smear the liberals as anti-American surrender monkeys, the liberals smear the conservatives as uncaring, stupid brutes. They talk past each other, and never concede anything. It's all emotion, without any real thought.
Absolutely the worst possible system, except for all the others!:D
 
William Rea said:
Pot, kettle and black comes to mind here.
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I can't imagine why. Skeptics with experience talking to woowoos about evidence or lack of evidence all know this. Of course, the same tactic of vilifying ones opponent is used in discussions that have nothing to do with woo.
 
JimBenArm said:
What amazes me is how people demonize the "other side" so much. Conservatives smear the liberals as anti-American surrender monkeys, the liberals smear the conservatives as uncaring, stupid brutes. They talk past each other, and never concede anything. It's all emotion, without any real thought.
Absolutely the worst possible system, except for all the others!:D
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Ah, the USA is a nation that consists entirely of baby-killers and surrender monkeys. No wonder they don't get along.

WTF is a surrender monkey???

Reminds me of a book I read called Kill Generation about the Force Recon Marines who basically charged up the middle of Iraq during the invasion, right through the most dangerous bit, to stir up the hornet's nest and draw the Iraqi forces away from the routes the main force were taking.

One of the marines earns the nickname "Whopper" after the burger served at Burger King. The path of logic being, this guy accidently shot an Iraqi kid. Hence:

Baby Killer -> BK -> Burger King -> Whopper

Gotta love Marine humour... :S

-Gumboot
 
Arus808 said:
Im not denying anything. I just believe that she is prolonging her own grief because she likes the attention she is getting.
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She might want to prolong her own grief not necessiarly because she likes the attention but rather because her grief keeps her more connected to her son.

In a way, after a loved one has died, it gets even harder as time goes by. You still love the person you lost but they slip further and further away from you.
 
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gumboot said:
Ah, the USA is a nation that consists entirely of baby-killers and surrender monkeys. No wonder they don't get along.

WTF is a surrender monkey???

Reminds me of a book I read called Kill Generation about the Force Recon Marines who basically charged up the middle of Iraq during the invasion, right through the most dangerous bit, to stir up the hornet's nest and draw the Iraqi forces away from the routes the main force were taking.

One of the marines earns the nickname "Whopper" after the burger served at Burger King. The path of logic being, this guy accidently shot an Iraqi kid. Hence:

Baby Killer -> BK -> Burger King -> Whopper

Gotta love Marine humour... :S

-Gumboot
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A surrender monkey is someone who surrenders to the enemy before they even really threaten you, like a trained monkey. Just a reflex action.
Sorta like France!:D
 
JimBenArm said:
A surrender monkey is someone who surrenders to the enemy before they even really threaten you, like a trained monkey. Just a reflex action.
Sorta like France!:D
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Ah I see...

You know, given that France helped the USA get independence, and gave them a frikken big statue as a present, and given the USA played a big part in liberating France TWICE, you'd think they'd have a much better relationship than they do... :p

-Gumboot
 
JimBenArm said:
What amazes me is how people demonize the "other side" so much. Conservatives smear the liberals as anti-American surrender monkeys, the liberals smear the conservatives as uncaring, stupid brutes. They talk past each other, and never concede anything. It's all emotion, without any real thought.
Absolutely the worst possible system, except for all the others!:D
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Oliver posted a thread a while back about the American Democracy conspiracy. It took me a while to see what he was going on about, but I think it boiled down to him believing that the fact that US politics is pretty much limited to two parties means that hardly anyone is being represented by their leaders. His contention was that this is a conspiracy of big business to lock out the voice of the people.

Personally I think he may have a point. The spectrum of political beliefs in a democracy can't be fully represented by only two parties. It is a classic false choice fallacy. Whether it amounts to an actual conspiracy, or just people with lots of money perpetuating the status quo for their own advantage is debatable.

I truly believe it is time for the emergence of more political parties in the US. Could that be possible? Would the people on the hill let go of their hold on power? Can we call it a conspiracy that the US remains a two party system? Will the Republicans split? What would be the consequences if either major party splintered into factions all running candidates for President?

OK sorry, I should ask these things in the politics forum.
 
Brainache said:
Personally I think he may have a point. The spectrum of political beliefs in a democracy can't be fully represented by only two parties. It is a classic false choice fallacy. Whether it amounts to an actual conspiracy, or just people with lots of money perpetuating the status quo for their own advantage is debatable.
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The problem is it's all about the Presidential elections. Voting for your head of state is a stupid idea.

You should vote for members of a representative government, and your head of state should be appointed, not elected. Or better yet, take the decision of head of state out of mortal hands and let God decide.

I'm sure the British Empire would take you back if you begged... ;)

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
The problem is it's all about the Presidential elections. Voting for your head of state is a stupid idea.

You should vote for members of a representative government, and your head of state should be appointed, not elected. Or better yet, take the decision of head of state out of mortal hands and let God decide.

I'm sure the British Empire would take you back if you begged... ;)

-Gumboot
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Yeah, but would they really want to take us back? Sort of like taking in the drunken cousin after a 3-day bender, don't ya think?
 
gumboot said:
Ah I see...

You know, given that France helped the USA get independence, and gave them a frikken big statue as a present, and given the USA played a big part in liberating France TWICE, you'd think they'd have a much better relationship than they do... :p

-Gumboot
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It's more like brothers fuming and fussing. We can do it, but anybody else get between us, and watch out! They'll be hell to pay!
 
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