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PS Audio Noise Harvester

The problem with skeptics is that they haven't listened to a proper audio system. They don't know how music can sound like. They think that crappy gear sounds good enough.

I bought "high-end" gear from the beginning, $5000 amp and $5000 CD player. But they didn't function properly. Music was so bright it was unlistenable, even with tubes! I couldn't listen to any music with vocals in it because of the sibilance. When I bought albums I had to check first that they didn't have vocals in them, it was that bad.
After I did power conditioning I was able to listen again, but I needed to cover up the remaining brightness with tubes. But after I did vibration isolation I didn't need tubes anymore, it sounded smoother and warmer than tubes ever sounded. Detail was better than ever.

But then I got another problem, eventually it got so warm that it was unbearable. It went from one extreme to another.
The problem were those "high-end" components, they were the reason for the muddy sound. So I replaced them with components that had a shorter signal path and the problem was greatly reduced. Then I started optimizing the cable thickness and it got better again.
But there is still a problem with the circuit boards themselves. So I need to use extra silver-plating depth to compensate for the muddiness. It's less neutral but it sounds more distinct.
 
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ExtremeSkeptic said:
The problem with skeptics is that they haven't listened to a proper audio system. They don't know how music can sound like. They think that crappy gear sounds good enough.
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You're just grasping for straws because for some reason you can't stand the idea that your sacred cow the NH is a complete sham and rip-off. Oh wait, I know why, because you blew a huge wad of money on worthless crap and now you can't even admit it to yourself.
 
osmosis said:
You're just grasping for straws because for some reason you can't stand the idea that your sacred cow the NH is a complete sham and rip-off. Oh wait, I know why, because you blew a huge wad of money on worthless crap and now you can't even admit it to yourself.
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Yes it's possible and I accept it if it's true. But can you accept if the opposite is true?
 
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That is the most retarded test I have ever seen in my whole life. He is using a laptop computer with a noise generator and 1 speaker. Where is the audio system? The Harvester affects the power supplies of the components...

The Harvester wasn't even blinking. My first 5 Harvesters were DOA (damaged in shipping).
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Standard response of an audiofool. You like the others have no idea what a FFT is. Go read up on SMAART.SIM,TEF, Don Davis,John Meyer and others then get back to us.
 
Here's something I thought might interest you, ES.

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osmosis said:
Depends, are we talking actually true, or true in that build-your-own-truth kind of way?
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Half a lifetime ago when I was a big skeptic like people in this thread I was 100% sure of things and posted in forums, but I was wrong. The problem was I used a too simple way of thinking, just like the skeptics in this thread do. But now I'm not a little kid anymore, now I know better, nobody can be 100% sure of anything.

If you think you know the truth you don't. It will always be an illusion if you are 100% sure of something. You are saying things are impossible... Who do you think people are going to believe? They are going to believe themselves. Everyone has limited knowledge which means that everyone's truth will be different, but that doesn't make them more wrong than someone else. If a person says someone else is wrong he is wrong himself because he doesn't know that the knowledge of the other person is the truth for him. But in the end, he isn't wrong anyway because the limited knowledge made him act that way.
 
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Half a lifetime ago when I was a big skeptic like people in this thread I was 100% sure of things and posted in forums, but I was wrong. The problem was I used a too simple way of thinking, just like the skeptics in this thread do. But now I'm not a little kid anymore, now I know better, nobody can be 100% sure of anything.

If you think you know the truth you don't. It will always be an illusion if you are 100% sure of something. You are saying things are impossible... Who do you think people are going to believe? They are going to believe themselves. Everyone has limited knowledge which means that everyone's truth will be different, but that doesn't make them more wrong than someone else. If a person says someone else is wrong he is wrong himself because he doesn't know that the knowledge of the other person is the truth for him. But in the end, he isn't wrong anyway because the limited knowledge made him act that way.
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Being a skeptic has absolutely nothing to to with being 100% sure of anything. I'm not sure why you keep harping on about that, it's just another thing that reinforces my opinion that you don't know what skepticism is, and therefore you should not be waxing idiotic about the subject.

And what's this garbage about "truth for him"? You're seriously stretching the definition of the word 'truth', if not abandoning it altogether. Truth is not a subjective thing that changes according to the minds of people. Alas, I fear that my little joke image posted above has fallen on blind eyes and a lost mind.
 
osmosis said:
Being a skeptic has absolutely nothing to to with being 100% sure of anything. I'm not sure why you keep harping on about that, it's just another thing that reinforces my opinion that you don't know what skepticism is, and therefore you should not be waxing idiotic about the subject.
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True skepticism is about not being 100% sure of anything, not even after it has been proven. You and others in this thread say that things are impossible and then you call yourselves skeptics... People like you have given skepticism a new meaning, and it's not good.
 
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Who said osmosis was doing anything evil?
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The most evil people are the ones who don't think they are evil. He goes into PS Audio forum and terrorizes people without a reason, just because it is "fun". Who knows how many lives he has already destroyed.

I found this quote, it would fit him good:

"People who smoke are more evil than mass murderers because they destroy for others without having a goal in it...while mass murderers kill for a reason." - One
 
The audio isn't the issue any more.

The money isn't the issue any more.

"Advanced Physics" isn't the issue any more.

The true meaning of skepticism isn't the issue any more.

Look, folks. People have joked about this, but the bottom line is, quite seriously, that ExtremeSkeptic has been stuffing his electronic devices full of conductive (and probably combustible) paper. After bypassing the fuses.

It's a good thing no one's ever told ExtremeSkeptic that the best way to get great sound is to run several Valhalla cables into your bathtub and then listen while immersed in water. (Please note: it's not.) Or it would already be too late. The foolish kid would be in Valhalla by now (albeit, assigned to one of the little guest tables in the corner, for the people who die in battle against muddy sound instead of muddy axe-wielding Saxons).

ExtremeSkeptic, does anyone else live in the same building with you? If so, you are playing games with their lives. I can tell you that fire doesn't know from True Physics or Advanced Physics. It follows the laws of plain old Simple Physics, which is all it needs to kill people every day. If your rig goes up in flames, and somebody else dies, you'll be guilty of manslaughter (whether you're prosecuted for it or not). Who else besides yourself are you putting at mortal risk with your little hobby?

Does the phrase "a danger to yourself and others" mean anything to you?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
The most evil people are the ones who don't think they are evil. He goes into PS Audio forum and terrorizes people without a reason, just because it is "fun". Who knows how many lives he has already destroyed.

I found this quote, it would fit him good:

"People who smoke are more evil than mass murderers because they destroy for others without having a goal in it...while mass murderers kill for a reason." - One
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:dl:

Man, you guys at PS Audio must really be on shaky ground for somebody to come in and destroy your lives just by arguing with you!

I fail to see any relevance in your quote as it pertains to osmosis. Actually, considering Myriad's post, it probably fits you better. Here you are, screwing around with your equipment in such a way as to cause a fire hazard, to the possible detriment of those around you.

Oh, and if you really paid $5000 for your amp and another $5000 for your CD player, then I've got this really cool bridge to sell you.

EvilBiker.
 
speco2007 said:
Are u teasing? Sory I am new here so I dont know all you guys yet.Not one of the PS drones thought it was valid. They had a field day over the fact that I was on the kitchen table. The fact is most of them and most of the people who buy that stuff dont listen in a anechoic chamber.

By the way Paul deleted the thread but our friend theapet started another titles naughty naughty.
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No, I don't believe he was teasing. I think it was a good test as well.

What I would like to see is a couple of screen captures of your screen plots, though. A bit difficult to see the responses on the video.

Ideally I would have liked to see a static camera showing your laptop screen - that would have made things clearer.

Nice one!
 
EvilBiker said:
Man, you guys at PS Audio must really be on shaky ground for somebody to come in and destroy your lives just by arguing with you!
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He destroys other people's lives because they aren't allowed to try the tweaks for themselves. They aren't allowed to find truth on their own and instead they are forced the "truth" of a terrorist that uses a crappy microphone to measure a speaker.
So if someone prevents someone else of finding the truth, he is destroying his life.
 
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Myriad said:
The audio isn't the issue any more.

The money isn't the issue any more.

"Advanced Physics" isn't the issue any more.

The true meaning of skepticism isn't the issue any more.

Look, folks. People have joked about this, but the bottom line is, quite seriously, that ExtremeSkeptic has been stuffing his electronic devices full of conductive (and probably combustible) paper. After bypassing the fuses.

It's a good thing no one's ever told ExtremeSkeptic that the best way to get great sound is to run several Valhalla cables into your bathtub and then listen while immersed in water. (Please note: it's not.) Or it would already be too late. The foolish kid would be in Valhalla by now (albeit, assigned to one of the little guest tables in the corner, for the people who die in battle against muddy sound instead of muddy axe-wielding Saxons).

ExtremeSkeptic, does anyone else live in the same building with you? If so, you are playing games with their lives. I can tell you that fire doesn't know from True Physics or Advanced Physics. It follows the laws of plain old Simple Physics, which is all it needs to kill people every day. If your rig goes up in flames, and somebody else dies, you'll be guilty of manslaughter (whether you're prosecuted for it or not). Who else besides yourself are you putting at mortal risk with your little hobby?

Does the phrase "a danger to yourself and others" mean anything to you?

Respectfully,
Myriad
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I burned the ERS Paper and nothing happened. Most of it is Carbon Fibers.

Myriad said:
It's a good thing no one's ever told ExtremeSkeptic that the best way to get great sound is to run several Valhalla cables into your bathtub and then listen while immersed in water.
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I have planned that system long ago. Why else do I use headphones? So I can listen in a sensory deprivation tank. Background needs to be black enough...
 
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ExtremeSkeptic said:
True skepticism is about not being 100% sure of anything, not even after it has been proven. You and others in this thread say that things are impossible and then you call yourselves skeptics... People like you have given skepticism a new meaning, and it's not good.
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Are you 100% sure of that?
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
He destroys other people's lives because they aren't allowed to try the tweaks for themselves. They aren't allowed to find truth on their own and instead they are forced the "truth" of a terrorist that uses a crappy microphone to measure a speaker.
So if someone prevents someone else of finding the truth, he is destroying his life.
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Once again we need to ask, Are you for real? You've just accused a forum member, doing something that is part of his education and line of work, of bing a terrorist!

That borders on reportable, but I'll let speco2007 decide on that.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
He destroys other people's lives because they aren't allowed to try the tweaks for themselves. They aren't allowed to find truth on their own and instead they are forced the "truth" of a terrorist that uses crappy microphone to measure a speaker.
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Aren't allowed to? How the hell can he stop somebody from tweaking? All he is doing is informing them that it won't make any difference. In other words, he is stopping them wasting their time and money.

You know, it doesn't actually matter whether speco2007 uses a top of the range audio setup or just a general one - since the NH is supposedly working on the AC input, you would still see a difference in the spectrum. Sure, if you saw a slight difference in the spectrum comparison, and you wanted to quantify it more accurately, you would then consider another setup, perhaps, maybe one with a lower noise floor. There are lots of things that could be changed to get a more accurate reading if it were needed.

The fact (note that word) that there was NO difference between the plots negates the need for further testing. Case closed.

Oh, I'm interested in this $5000 amp you bought. Please give me the following specs:

Make
Model
Gain (power output is good enough, the input levels are generally standard)
Output dynamic range
Bandwidth
Noise
Linearity (from 10 Hz, if possible, to 100 kHz)
THD (be specific - I'd ideally like to see a plot of THD vs. output power level)

If you could scan in the manufacturers spec sheet, that would be a great help.

Thanking you in anticipation.
 
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ExtremeSkeptic said:
I have planned that system long ago. Why else do I use headphones? So I can listen in a sensory deprivation tank. Background needs to be black enough...
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The reason for a sensory deprivation tank is, um, sensory deprivation.

Listening to music in that environment is a bit pointless.
 
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