Seymour Hersh: The Redirection

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Basically Hersh is saying that because the US fears the formation of a broad Shiite alliance in the Middle East (Iran, Iraq, Hezbollah in Lebanon, etc.), it is funneling billions of dollars to opposition groups and thus to people sympathetic to Al Qaeda (who are Sunni), if not Al Qaeda itself.

He also claims that a big part of the reason why John Negroponte just stepped down as security czar is because this trend too closely mirrors his activities in the Iran/Contra days (funneling money to the Contras in Nicaragua without Congressional approval).

It goes without saying that Hersh is only writing these things because he hates America and freedom.
 
The problem with Hersh is simpler: he's a lousy resercher. For example, he "fell" for con men who sold him tales about everything from the Mossad's actions to the Kennedies' love life and publish it. He simply has no credibility.
 
The problem with Hersh is simpler: he's a lousy resercher. For example, he "fell" for con men who sold him tales about everything from the Mossad's actions to the Kennedies' love life and publish it. He simply has no credibility.

Do you have any credible sources for this criticism? Hersh has made an awful lot of exceptional claims during the years and I'd be quite surprised if he was 100% right in every single case. But he sure seems to be right quite often.
 
Do you have any credible sources for this criticism? Hersh has made an awful lot of exceptional claims during the years and I'd be quite surprised if he was 100% right in every single case. But he sure seems to be right quite often.
Would you have any evidence of this?
 
It goes without saying that Hersh is only writing these things because he hates America and freedom.

Actually, that kind of requires saying. So let me say it: Hersch hates America. He may not hate freedom, but he praises people who oppose freedom if they oppose America. He panders to our enemies. Especially when he thinks he's out of earshot of an American audience.

http://www.sandmonkey.org/2007/02/26/hershed

"What was slightly surprising was how pro-Shia the man was (the man apparently could see no harm coming from Iran, syria or hezbollah), which was later on explained to me in the context that this man is a member of the new Left, and the new left believes that any enemy of the USA is a good person and needs to be supported, because the USA is a very bad and naughty country. But the dude was stretching thing a little bit. I mean when he decribed the March 14th movement as "The US backed Sunni dominated Seniora government" I started heaving, but when he described Hezbollah as "a member of an opposition coalition with Christian catholics" I knew I was in the presence of greatness. This is a man who could distort **** so well that he could disprove gravity."
 
The United States has also given clandestine support to the Siniora government, according to the former senior intelligence official and the U.S. government consultant. “We are in a program to enhance the Sunni capability to resist Shiite influence, and we’re spreading the money around as much as we can,” the former senior intelligence official said. The problem was that such money “always gets in more pockets than you think it will,” he said. “In this process, we’re financing a lot of bad guys with some serious potential unintended consequences. We don’t have the ability to determine and get pay vouchers signed by the people we like and avoid the people we don’t like. It’s a very high-risk venture.”

American, European, and Arab officials I spoke to told me that the Siniora government and its allies had allowed some aid to end up in the hands of emerging Sunni radical groups in northern Lebanon, the Bekaa Valley, and around Palestinian refugee camps in the south. These groups, though small, are seen as a buffer to Hezbollah; at the same time, their ideological ties are with Al Qaeda.

During a conversation with me, the former Saudi diplomat accused Nasrallah of attempting “to hijack the state,” but he also objected to the Lebanese and Saudi sponsorship of Sunni jihadists in Lebanon. “Salafis are sick and hateful, and I’m very much against the idea of flirting with them,” he said. “They hate the Shiites, but they hate Americans more. If you try to outsmart them, they will outsmart us. It will be ugly.”

Alastair Crooke, who spent nearly thirty years in MI6, the British intelligence service, and now works for Conflicts Forum, a think tank in Beirut, told me, “The Lebanese government is opening space for these people to come in. It could be very dangerous.” Crooke said that one Sunni extremist group, Fatah al-Islam, had splintered from its pro-Syrian parent group, Fatah al-Intifada, in the Nahr al-Bared refugee camp, in northern Lebanon. Its membership at the time was less than two hundred. “I was told that within twenty-four hours they were being offered weapons and money by people presenting themselves as representatives of the Lebanese government’s interests—presumably to take on Hezbollah,” Crooke said.

The largest of the groups, Asbat al-Ansar, is situated in the Ain al-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp. Asbat al-Ansar has received arms and supplies from Lebanese internal-security forces and militias associated with the Siniora government.

In 2005, according to a report by the U.S.-based International Crisis Group, Saad Hariri, the Sunni majority leader of the Lebanese parliament and the son of the slain former Prime Minister—Saad inherited more than four billion dollars after his father’s assassination—paid forty-eight thousand dollars in bail for four members of an Islamic militant group from Dinniyeh. The men had been arrested while trying to establish an Islamic mini-state in northern Lebanon. The Crisis Group noted that many of the militants “had trained in al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan.”

According to the Crisis Group report, Saad Hariri later used his parliamentary majority to obtain amnesty for twenty-two of the Dinniyeh Islamists, as well as for seven militants suspected of plotting to bomb the Italian and Ukrainian embassies in Beirut, the previous year. (He also arranged a pardon for Samir Geagea, a Maronite Christian militia leader, who had been convicted of four political murders, including the assassination, in 1987, of Prime Minister Rashid Karami.) Hariri described his actions to reporters as humanitarian.

In an interview in Beirut, a senior official in the Siniora government acknowledged that there were Sunni jihadists operating inside Lebanon. “We have a liberal attitude that allows Al Qaeda types to have a presence here,” he said.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070305fa_fact_hersh?page=3
We're helping to fund Al Qaeda? How am I going to sell this?
 
Actually, that kind of requires saying. So let me say it: Hersch hates America. He may not hate freedom, but he praises people who oppose freedom if they oppose America. He panders to our enemies. Especially when he thinks he's out of earshot of an American audience.

http://www.sandmonkey.org/2007/02/26/hershed

"What was slightly surprising was how pro-Shia the man was (the man apparently could see no harm coming from Iran, syria or hezbollah), which was later on explained to me in the context that this man is a member of the new Left, and the new left believes that any enemy of the USA is a good person and needs to be supported, because the USA is a very bad and naughty country. But the dude was stretching thing a little bit. I mean when he decribed the March 14th movement as "The US backed Sunni dominated Seniora government" I started heaving, but when he described Hezbollah as "a member of an opposition coalition with Christian catholics" I knew I was in the presence of greatness. This is a man who could distort **** so well that he could disprove gravity."

Hearsay.

Which was later on explained to me in the context that this man is a member of the new Left, and the new left believes that any enemy of the USA is a good person and needs to be supported,
 
Actually, that kind of requires saying. So let me say it: Hersch hates America. He may not hate freedom, but he praises people who oppose freedom if they oppose America. He panders to our enemies. Especially when he thinks he's out of earshot of an American audience.

ww.sandmonkey.org/2007/02/26/hershed

"What was slightly surprising was how pro-Shia the man was (the man apparently could see no harm coming from Iran, syria or hezbollah), which was later on explained to me in the context that this man is a member of the new Left, and the new left believes that any enemy of the USA is a good person and needs to be supported, because the USA is a very bad and naughty country. But the dude was stretching thing a little bit. I mean when he decribed the March 14th movement as "The US backed Sunni dominated Seniora government" I started heaving, but when he described Hezbollah as "a member of an opposition coalition with Christian catholics" I knew I was in the presence of greatness. This is a man who could distort **** so well that he could disprove gravity."

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that the US supports the Siniora government in Lebanon. They are trying to undermine the influence of Hezbollah in the south, so why wouldn't they contribute to the Sunni government?

This person's assessment of Hersh is kind of strange.
 
I thought it was pretty common knowledge that the US supports the Siniora government in Lebanon. They are trying to undermine the influence of Hezbollah in the south, so why wouldn't they contribute to the Sunni government?

This person's assessment of Hersh is kind of strange.

You missed the point. Yes, the US supported the Siniora government. So did France, but I bet that didn't get any mention. So did many Christians and Druze within Lebanon. It's not exactly a Sunni government, though the Sunnis certainly support it and form a major component. And Hersch's contention that Hezbollah forms part of an opposition coalition with catholics is laughable. Hezbollah is on its own (well, aside from sponsorship from Syria and Iran).
 

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