• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Virginia apologizes for slavery

Checkmite

Skepticifimisticalationist
Joined
Jun 7, 2002
Messages
29,007
Location
Gulf Coast
Resolution Passes Unanimously

RICHMOND, Va. - Meeting on the grounds of the former Confederate Capitol, the Virginia General Assembly voted unanimously Saturday to express "profound regret" for the state's role in slavery.

Sponsors of the resolution say they know of no other state that has apologized for slavery, although Missouri lawmakers are considering such a measure. The resolution does not carry the weight of law but sends an important symbolic message, supporters said.

...

The measure also expressed regret for "the exploitation of Native Americans."

I, for one, happen to think this is a Good Thing.

I've saved you the searching - the full text of the resolution can be found right around here. It is quite inclusive and unambiguous. It makes me happy. :)
 
I can understand how it might make people feel better, but how can someone apologize for something they didn't do in the first place?
 
No one in the state of Virginia today ever owned a slave, so why are they apologizing? I don't see how it's possible to apologize for someone else's crimes.
 
No one in the state of Virginia today ever owned a slave, so why are they apologizing? I don't see how it's possible to apologize for someone else's crimes.

I agree with this. People of the present are not guilty of the crimes of their ancestors.

However, if the State of Virginia apologizes officially, as in a government-type apology, then you could say that it's apologizing as a government body moreso than it is as a group of people. Thus, it's apologizing as an institution, which is a bit longer-lasting than the individuals that run it.
 
However, if the State of Virginia apologizes officially, as in a government-type apology, then you could say that it's apologizing as a government body moreso than it is as a group of people. Thus, it's apologizing as an institution, which is a bit longer-lasting than the individuals that run it.


This is the point. Those specific people never owned slaves; however, they are acting as representatives of the government of Virginia, which was indeed around back then, and was somewhat culpable. So think of this not as a statement on behalf of this set of individuals, but on behalf of the government - which is still the same entity, though different people now represent it.
 
Uh-huh. And does anyone think this is anything but a political move? I mean, it's not like any white people alive today enslaved any black people alive today, so there's no one left from whom an apology would matter.

So, what's next, Brits apologizing for George III and Oliver Cromwell? Italians apologizing for the destruction of the Library at Alexandria? Men apologizing to women for cavemen hitting them on the head and dragging them home by their hair?
 
Uh-huh. And does anyone think this is anything but a political move? I mean, it's not like any white people alive today enslaved any black people alive today, so there's no one left from whom an apology would matter.

So, what's next, Brits apologizing for George III and Oliver Cromwell? Italians apologizing for the destruction of the Library at Alexandria? Men apologizing to women for cavemen hitting them on the head and dragging them home by their hair?

...Why not? :)

Though I admit that if my tax dollars went into it (or Virginian's tax dollars went into it), and there was actual expenditure behind the apology (such as a meeting for it), it is silly.
 
Nah, it's a non-binding resolution, which means that it didn't cost Virginians anything (other than the time their reps spend debating it etc.) but it also means that it doesn't make the first frakkin' bit of difference. It doesn't achieve anything, it's just something the politicians can feel good about and mention come campaign time.
 
Nah, it's a non-binding resolution, which means that it didn't cost Virginians anything (other than the time their reps spend debating it etc.) but it also means that it doesn't make the first frakkin' bit of difference. It doesn't achieve anything, it's just something the politicians can feel good about and mention come campaign time.


Kind of like the things we post in this forum. But I've read some things here that make me happy, too. It's all gravy.
 
It doesn't achieve anything, it's just something the politicians can feel good about and mention come campaign time.

Well politicians do love telling us how great they are. I wonder how those same great Virginian politicians would feel about a resolution condeming the actions of Robert E. Lee.
 
Well politicians do love telling us how great they are. I wonder how those same great Virginian politicians would feel about a resolution condeming the actions of Robert E. Lee.

Why should they? The civil war was fought over far more than simply slavery (though slavery was an important issue).

Almost all of soldiers in the conflict were not slave owners, however.
 
Virginia to black people: "There, there..."

It's so funny the way headlines like "Virginia 'sorry' about slavery" look so insincere and absurdly insufficient and weird.
 
Just a few things to consider:

My family left Virginia back in either the 1830's or 1840's. As I've frequently joked about this, my earliest ancestor in California was invited to late night party in his home state, which he declined to attend as he didn't own a tie. (This was partially in regards to his habit of borrowing horses which he frequently forgot to return, usually after selling them.) No problem, his neighbors said, one would be provided for him, though as an economic measure, my ancestor's tie would be made of sisal, rather than silk.

We owned no slaves in our past. Our participation in the Civil War was limited. We derived little immediate benefit from slavery.

Except that there were times when my grandfather hired migrant workers to tend to his orchards near Wheatland, CA. And we stood silently as there were those of African ancestry who were being hanged for nothing more than a few spurious accusations by bigots and cowards. We did nothing to better the lives of those who suffered simply because they had dark skin. There was a lot of damage done because we chose to take no action when it came to those who differed from us.

Slavery would not have endured for as long as it did, nor would we have delayed so long in apologizing for it, had it not been for the fact that it was so profitable to so many. We may not have benefitted directly, but we still gained from the blood of someone living a continent away from us. That I had as much as I did over the years can still be traced with a heavy chain to the neck of a man I will never know, suffering in a field which has long since been converted to tract housing.

We bear some collective guilt here. It may be diluted, but it remains. Failing to acknowledge this guilt has led to some genuinely frightening things in our past, not the least of which was the racism which allowed a monster like Juan Corona to run loose here in Northern California. The rot set in long ago, and it's only been now that we've been willing to acknowledge that it exists. Contrast that with the actions of Germany, and it's painful recognition of the nightmare it permitted under the leadership of an Austrian-born xenophobe, and you have to wonder how we can continue to claim moral leadership.

Joshua's right on this one, dead right. This is a good thing. Overdue, but very good.
 
Why should they? The civil war was fought over far more than simply slavery (though slavery was an important issue).

Almost all of soldiers in the conflict were not slave owners, however.

In fact, Lee was an abolitionist.
 
This just in from Georgia: "Oh no! We just realized something!"
Breaking news from N. Carolina: "Oooh! So did we!"

This reminds me of proposals to ban Holocaust denial in Europe, it's like solving the problems of half a century ago are the only thing policy leaders are good at. All while anti-semetic attacks continue to rise dramatically and any number of other important and real problems loom now and aren't being addressed. I'm sure a century or two from now we'll have an official admission from the American Islands government to the effect of "OK so maybe we're not that bright and..."
 
Last edited:

Back
Top Bottom