Geometry of Electron Shells

[andyandy]

You ask good questions, Jackalgirl. They are a pleasure to answer.

.....so which are the females?

 

[Big Al]

I lost an electron. How in heck am I supposed to find it?

Have one of mine if it'll make you happy. What's one more free radical amongst friends?

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Now we are getting somewhere, for there are some bright people here after ALL, and so we just have to connect up their specific areas of expertise with the whole and with HARMONICS and ourselves. We have to get from the atomic level to the human level to get to the macro-cosm or go vice versa....

So many thanks, for the summaries Brethren of Truth, lets expand it... and it will help me and maybe you compose 432 HARMONIES with music, us exact wavelengths and MORE.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/432KeyofStarofDavid.html

The posters name was Schneibuster..... or similiar

The "fundamental frequency" of the electron resonance around the nucleus is the lowest orbital. The higher standing waves represent harmonics of that fundamental. But the strength of the electromagnetic field that the nucleus makes isn't constant; it falls off with distance, as the square of distance, as all electromagnetic fields do as they are spread over an ever-increasing area. Because of this, there are many "fundamentals." Each one represents one orbital, and each harmonic of that orbital represents a quantum state, a standing wave, of that orbital. There are more harmonics farther from the nucleus; less closer in. But every electron is in either a fundamental or a harmonic quantum state that represents a resonant standing wave in its probability wave around the nucleus.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/432KeyofStarofDavid.html

 

[wollery]

You guys are pathetic!

I give you the perfect set up line, and you completely ignore it!!!

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Hmmm... moving on with real research that may help us connect up even further the atomic realm to us and the other heavenly bodies.

Let's consider the distances of the shells outwards. If their effects are harmonic with the first orbit of 2.... more on these fundamental TWO as surely you know that parallel.... in history and their harmonics.

And outer shells decrease by their inverse square iof that was what was said... making e=mc squared connection worth looking into... but also the possibility that these sheels like in the human or natural expansion are phi ratioed.

That's just my guess as for now, and shall look it up, or you can post these distances and possible ratios Schneibster.

We can see if there is a correlation and later we can see if there is a correlation with other heavenly bodies. But FIRST STEP, is consioder shell distances.

This is much much much better than posters posting their recipes on nothingness HERE. Thanks

Schneibster

 

[andyandy]

Are you sure you lost it?

yes! I'm positive

....is that better?

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Here's a clue...

(From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum_coupling )

The procedure of constructing eigenstates of total angular momentum out of eigenstates of separate angular momenta is called angular momentum coupling. Angular momentum coupling in atoms is of importance in atomic spectroscopy. Angular momentum coupling of electron spins is of importance in quantum chemistry. Also in the nuclear shell model angular momentum coupling is ubiquitous.
In astronomy, spin-orbit coupling is the ratio between the frequency with which a planet or other celestial body spins about its own axis to that with which it orbits another body. This is more commonly known as orbital resonance. As even Wiki goers sexual on us, and science finnally understands a little atomic sexuality and uses the word coupling.... ie.. sexuality as two become ONE.

And do make a special NOTE, tyhat HERE again we have as above, so below... the pruinciples and the laws of the Lord in the microcosm being present in the macro-cosm... and so if Schnei... and Wooley got together they could go much further than apart and in separate un-integrated fields. Integration of knowledge is true knowledge and when it gets integrated into the most technologically advanced computer and creation ever created.... called us humans, then we have real progress.

Thanks Wiki....

Onward Christian soldiers....

 

[Davidjayjordan]

As an aside, it is interesting to see that a sixth shell if possible, and all things are possible with the Lord, theorises that it would have a electron capacity of 72 electrons it its shell.

( From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_shell )


Possible Number of Electrons in shells

1-6 ShellElectrons

1 2
2 8
3 18
4 32
5 50
6 72












And so in esotrics when the Lord's Name of Creation YHWH adds up to 72... in triangular form, http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Yawehsnumbers.html

Then in 3 demensional form a 72 point geometric figure for the sixth shell makes one think.

72, 144, the oft hated and despised 216, 432.... and the harmonics I or we are eluding to.... just an interesting aside and possible connection.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/432KeyofStarofDavid.html

 

[wollery]

angular momentum coupling is ubiquitous.
In astronomy, spin-orbit coupling is the ratio between the frequency with which a planet or other celestial body spins about its own axis to that with which it orbits another body. This is more commonly known as orbital resonance.[/I] As even Wiki goers sexual on us, and science finnally understands a little atomic sexuality and uses the word coupling.... ie.. sexuality as two become ONE.

No! In physics "coupling", or a "couple", is a pair of torques (rotational forces) applied in the same direction, about the same rotational axis. It has nothing to do with sex.

Seriously DJJ, you need to grow up and get over your pathetic sex fixation. You sound like a 13 year old.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

O.K. Here we are.. how come the atomic researchers and nuclear type researchers never mentioned this EXACT corelation betweeon Platonic Solids and shell distances. Were they holdfing back, or did they just not know these things.

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-p-swave.asp

It has been already stated that a sphere has got just five natural frequency modes of vibration, and each of these frequencies gives rise to the formation of a platonic standing wave structure. Each 2 dimensional face of these structures is a standing EM wave node. Here on the left, a tetrahedron is shown. You may notice this shape has got 4 Vertices, 4 Faces, and 6 Edges. Euler's characteristic, as with the other four platonics is equal to F-E+V= 4-6+4 =2. It is understood that everything that we apply for this shape will apply for the other four platonics. Each platonic, when rotated in all possible angular directions about its centre, will form two spheres, one inscribed within its faces and one circumsribed by its vertices, as shown in the diagram. The inscribed sphere, will in turn be the circumscribed sphere of a smaller nested platonic structure, and so on, until a point is reached where the actual sides of the platonic equates to the smallest possible vibrating length in space, relating to planck length.

Darn, sometimes I think I have to do all the ersearch myself.

I mean my expertise is not atomic G.M. but mathematical prophecy...

Maybe understanding the basics of geometry is much much much more beneficial than these guys years and years and years of segregated science is.

Anyway the search goes on... and it seems the Platonic Solids are very very important in understanding atoms, and nature, and the building block of creation.... which all leads to the easy to understand conclusion that there is a Creator.

TTLFTL.

Sincerely

david

 

[Davidjayjordan]

No! In physics "coupling", or a "couple", is a pair of torques (rotational forces) applied in the same direction, about the same rotational axis. It has nothing to do with sex.

Seriously DJJ, you need to grow up and get over your pathetic sex fixation. You sound like a 13 year old.

Name calling shows your frustration not your intelligence... Wolley.

Try to do some research rather than posting recipes and trying to wreck the thread because you don't want progress nor connections to be seen.

 

[fuelair]

55555

 

[wollery]

Name calling shows your frustration not your intelligence... Wolley.

Try to do some research rather than posting recipes and trying to wreck the thread because you don't want progress nor connections to be seen.

And you should try to understand some basic science, and the difference between name calling and use of a simile.

Oh and actually reading and trying to understand what people write would also be helpful.

 

[Apathia]

Nah, David's not a troll. He's an evangelist or a missionary: a "fisher of men."
So, yes, he is trolling and hoping to catch someone in his net.

However, David, the net you are using is far from being effective on this board. Platonic/Medieval retro-science with some cosmic-sex analogs thrown in isn't going to net you much serious attention here. You aren't going to reach skeptics through Science, because you don't know what modern Science is. Do some catching up. Right now you aren't speaking our language.

At best, you'll get some attention from people who like Math curios and are unaware of the legend and lore of Platonic Solids and their relation to Greek four or five element theories. It's fun stuff! But it already passed into history as not up to the complexity of reality.

Don't think you are casting your pearls before swine. You haven't actually tossed us any pearls, unless they are encased in cheap plastic. at which swine or mensch we are going to trample them under foot.

Let me add this that the math correlations are fascinating. They don't explain the how or the behavior of nature, they simply show the pervasive structure of mathematics.

 

[Ziggurat]

O.K. Here we are.. how come the atomic researchers and nuclear type researchers never mentioned this EXACT corelation betweeon Platonic Solids and shell distances.

Because there is no such correlation. Can you list what the shell distances are? How are you even defining the shell distance? Is it just the expectation value of the electron-nucleus distance? Because that's actually different than the electron diameter, since (just like the moon and earth) electrons don't orbit around the center of the nucleus, they orbit around the center of the electron-nucleus center of mass, which is displaced from the nucleus. Furthermore, the orbital sizes change from atom to atom, and they change within atoms depending on ionization states. Scientists don't talk about any exact correlation between platonic solids and shell distances because no such correlation exists. And nuclear scientists don't study electron orbitals: they study processes WITHIN the nucleus.

Sincerely

david

You're not sincere at all.

 

[flim flam]

the very existence of DDJ is would seem to offer the definitive proof that there is no intelligent designer.......

 

[flim flam]

..and more kitty photos please!. in the middle of a long night shift, all distractions welcome.

 

[RenaissanceBiker]

Biker, I hate to inform you, but I think your fridge is empty, and I'm pretty sure you don't have gas in your gas tank. Thanks for the confirmation.

Name calling shows your frustration not your intelligence... Wolley.

Yep, it just shows your frustration.

Try to do some research rather than posting recipes and trying to wreck the thread because you don't want progress nor connections to be seen.

Research into mathematical prophesies? I'm not convinced that anyone putting the same obsessive effort into geometric numerology would come to the same conclusion as you. I'm going to try to get you to jump to the heart of this matter.

Anyway the search goes on... and it seems the Platonic Solids are very very important in understanding atoms, and nature, and the building block of creation.... which all leads to the easy to understand conclusion that there is a Creator.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume that your research into mathematical prophesy does prove the existence of a creator. I mean, let's assume there is no longer any doubt at all that the universe was created on purpose by some divine being. That is still a pretty general statement. Where in your mathematical prophesies is this creator revealed to be the christian god? Where is the mathematical proof that all the other gods worshipped by man were false? Explain to us how your numerology takes us from the general concept of a divine creator to proof of the divine Jesus Christ. You claim to have put a lot of objective research into this. I'm sure there are platonic solids or some other mathematical constructs that rule out the existence of Vishnu.

 

[aggle-rithm]

So many thanks, for the summaries Brethren of Truth, lets expand it... and it will help me and maybe you compose 432 HARMONIES with music, us exact wavelengths and MORE.

As a composer, let me just say that I HATE it when people try to drag music into their crank theories.

The Western system of harmony is NOT analogous to the mathematical harmonic series, at least as not as much as people seem to think. It is, in fact, a compromise between the application of the harmonic series to sound frequencies and the pragmatism of making music through various instruments.

What we think of as harmony is only RELATIVELY harmonic, the only truly harmonic interval in western music is the octave, which has a 1:2 frequency ratio. All other intervals are adjusted to create equal distance between chromatic tones.

If music really DID correspond precisely to the harmonic series, it would sound wrong to us.

Just like your theories, DDJ! (Like how I came back on topic at the end, there?)

 

[Buckaroo]

..and more kitty photos please!. in the middle of a long night shift, all distractions welcome.

Glad to oblige!