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Gun Control is ridiculous

Quad4_72

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Quad4_72
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To a certain extent, gun control laws are absolutely ridiuclous. Businesses will post signs outside saying no firearms allowed. Do they honestly think that is going to stop a criminal from coming into their business and stealing/shooting people? All that does is prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves.

The Dems love their gun control laws but yet they do not seem to have effected anything. Waiting periods are imposed and there are background checks, but a criminal can get a gun on the street just as easy. It seems that all gun control laws do is prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves. Now I do agree with some of the laws, but a good majority of them are useless.

This may be a little bit old and somewhat biased, but some very good points are brought up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR9RN_iSKtg
 
Check the "gun threads" on this forum.

When you have a point that has not already been argued to death, let us know.
 
I agree with you and I'm a Dem AND an "enthusiast." I just wish the Democrats wouldn't attach themselves to this issue and instead take the path that would concentrate on much heavier (mandatory) penalties for crimes involving firearms.

I've heard all the rhetoric about accidents, and crime and the likelihood that gun owners will be killed with their own firearms, but everyone in my family are hunters and soldiers (yes, even some of the ladies), and it's clear that a healthy respect and knowledge of firearms is all that's needed to safely keep them in the home and deter the accidents that are often pointed at by gun control freaks. They are also the best "equalizers" when it comes to the old or infirm defending themselves. :)
 
I figured there were already threads, but seriously, what is there not a thread about?
 
Quad4_72 said:
I figured there were already threads, but seriously, what is there not a thread about?
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Seriously, is there some new argument about guns and gun control that hasn't been discussed in the threads here?
 
Mephisto said:
I agree with you and I'm a Dem AND an "enthusiast." I just wish the Democrats wouldn't attach themselves to this issue and instead take the path that would concentrate on much heavier (mandatory) penalties for crimes involving firearms.

I've heard all the rhetoric about accidents, and crime and the likelihood that gun owners will be killed with their own firearms, but everyone in my family are hunters and soldiers (yes, even some of the ladies), and it's clear that a healthy respect and knowledge of firearms is all that's needed to safely keep them in the home and deter the accidents that are often pointed at by gun control freaks. They are also the best "equalizers" when it comes to the old or infirm defending themselves. :)
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Good point. People being more educated about guns I think would be a very big step in preventing accidents. Many times, the head of the household will purchase a gun and either not know enough about it himself, or fail to teach his/her family members about it. Hence, the accidents.
 
CFLarsen said:
Seriously, is there some new argument about guns and gun control that hasn't been discussed in the threads here?
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Is that what you have to do now when you start a new thread? Dig through all of the old threads and read each and every post to see if it has been discussed before? If you feel this is too repetitive for you, then don't read the topic or post here. Its that simple.
 
CFLarsen said:
Seriously, is there some new argument about guns and gun control that hasn't been discussed in the threads here?
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Probably not. But for a moment let us assume that there are people here who have not taken part in or read any of the previous discussions. Who knows, perhaps another disussion will bring to light an idea not previously discussed. Nothing says that you have to take part in the discussion or even read them.
 
Quad4_72 said:
Is that what you have to do now when you start a new thread? Dig through all of the old threads and read each and every post to see if it has been discussed before? If you feel this is too repetitive for you, then don't read the topic or post here. Its that simple.
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Reminds me of an old joke:

Patient: Hey, Doc it hurts when I do this (flapping his right arm wildly up and down).

Doctor: Well don't do that.

Gun control like abortion is one of those timeless and heated debates, and you're absolutely right - if you don't want to discuss it don't. The same is true of abortions - if you don't believe in abortion - don't have one.
 
Haha. Good point Mephisto. There are topics in this country that have been argued to death and will continue to be argued to death. Nothing anyone can do about it. If it annoys you to argue the issue, then don't participate. It is especially easy in internet forums because you can actively choose to either click on the gun control topic, or not to click on it. Crazy isn't it!
 
Quad4_72 said:
Good point. People being more educated about guns I think would be a very big step in preventing accidents. Many times, the head of the household will purchase a gun and either not know enough about it himself, or fail to teach his/her family members about it. Hence, the accidents.
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What about the killings that result from someone using a "household gun"?

Will "education" prevent those?

Do you have hardcore data to back up your contentions or merely opinion?

Quad4_72 said:
Is that what you have to do now when you start a new thread? Dig through all of the old threads and read each and every post to see if it has been discussed before? If you feel this is too repetitive for you, then don't read the topic or post here. Its that simple.
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Yjacket said:
Probably not. But for a moment let us assume that there are people here who have not taken part in or read any of the previous discussions. Who knows, perhaps another disussion will bring to light an idea not previously discussed. Nothing says that you have to take part in the discussion or even read them.
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What is wrong with digging though old threads? Is it because people want to learn from already posited arguments, or because they want to voice their own?

This isn't just a forum where people gab about their own POVs. We can learn a lot from reading argument being pitted against argument. Evidence against evidence.

Yeah, it takes effort. But it's worth it. There is no need to invent boiled water, over and over again.
 
Quad4_72 said:
To a certain extent, gun control laws are absolutely ridiuclous. Businesses will post signs outside saying no firearms allowed. Do they honestly think that is going to stop a criminal from coming into their business and stealing/shooting people? All that does is prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves.

The Dems love their gun control laws but yet they do not seem to have effected anything. Waiting periods are imposed and there are background checks, but a criminal can get a gun on the street just as easy. It seems that all gun control laws do is prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves. Now I do agree with some of the laws, but a good majority of them are useless.
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You know what really underlies your post? Fear. Fear that sometime, somewhere, you will need to protect yourself and you won't have a gun to do it.

The real is question is, why? Why are you so afraid? I have never been in a situation where I have thought "I wish I had a gun." I have never felt unsafe in my home. I don't feel unsafe outside of my home. I am curious as to why you do - do you live in a bad neighbourhood? Have you previously been a victim of crime? Or is it just a sort of general unwariness (or is it a more severe paranoia?)
 
Thanz said:
You know what really underlies your post? Fear. Fear that sometime, somewhere, you will need to protect yourself and you won't have a gun to do it.

The real is question is, why? Why are you so afraid? I have never been in a situation where I have thought "I wish I had a gun." I have never felt unsafe in my home. I don't feel unsafe outside of my home. I am curious as to why you do - do you live in a bad neighbourhood? Have you previously been a victim of crime? Or is it just a sort of general unwariness (or is it a more severe paranoia?)
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Are you under the impression that bad things only happen in bad neighborhoods?

I feel safe inside and outside of my home (I live in a gated community with its own police force), but that doesn't mean I will never need to have a gun to defend myself or my family.
 
Quad4_72 said:
To a certain extent, gun control laws are absolutely ridiuclous. Businesses will post signs outside saying no firearms allowed. Do they honestly think that is going to stop a criminal from coming into their business and stealing/shooting people? All that does is prevent law abiding citizens from defending themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR9RN_iSKtg
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or prevent the owner from making money from those of us who do go armed legally.:)
 
Guys, always remember, when someone is coming at you with a knife, instead of shooting him, drop your gun and surrender.

I went through a 4 week firearm safety course this past year, not necessarily because I need to defend myself, but because my family owns guns, and I wanted to feel comfortable around them.

Arguing against guns is like arguing against alcohol. Sure alcohol will limit your abilities to function as a normal human being, and perhaps put you in life threatening situations, but thats YOUR fault.

Same thing with guns.
 
Skibum said:
Are you under the impression that bad things only happen in bad neighborhoods?

I feel safe inside and outside of my home (I live in a gated community with its own police force), but that doesn't mean I will never need to have a gun to defend myself or my family.
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I've never considered protection to be my job. That's the responsibility of law enforcement (and the military).

It is often said that criminals can "just get a gun off the street". Is that not only true because 50 million + guns are manufactured each year. Is that not also true because guns bought by law abiding citizens are being stolen and put on the street? Does it not make sense that if guns are harder to get, overall, that they would also be harder to get by the criminals?

Don't criminals feel a need to carry guns because they are afraid law abiding citizens are going to have one to use against them?

It seems the problem that needs fixing is with law enforcement and not a lack of guns in the home.
 
Wow, haven't you been brain-washed by the Canadian form of gun control, Molinaro....

Tell me something, did the 2 billion something we spent on the gun registry help any?

I lock my guns up, in a gun safe, where only I know the code to get in. How the hell does a criminal get his hands on my guns?

And how the hell can you show sympathy for the criminal and his 'right' to carry a gun because he feels threatened?
 
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