Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

[LAL]

Your statement seems to disregard the fact that there is plenty of activity and scientific searches for other things in areas where bigfoot is reported.

And plenty of areas where there's not. As I've mentioned, the only thing going on in the veritable sasquatch freeway where I lived was an "intense" survey for Spotted Owls. I saw exactly two surveyors, but surely there must have been more.........somewhere.

A state wildlife biologist checked out my property for Osprey's, but we called him in.

 

[LAL]

The legacy of those animals is nothing like Bigfoot. The cult of Cryptozoology innoculates its followers with the idea that they match, and that Bigfoot (insert any other fantastic cryptic if you wish)

Giant squid

is pretty much just like any other animal.

And why not?

But if there is no Bigfoot, it will not and cannot ever be done.

You mean that in the plural, I'm sure. If there is no effort, it certainly won't. I'm glad there are groups that aren't so easily deterred.

The best shots and footage are from the wild. The internet has them available for your viewing pleasure.

Easy with funding and a blind in Finland, isn't it?

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0206/feature3/zoom1.html

We know those things because they are readily observable and trackable in the wild.

For some reason, a few people have chickened out when they realized they were tracking an 8' ape. What would they have done if they'd caught up?

 

[nw843x]

Bigfoot exists only in the imagination.
Otherwise, as stated many times before, we would have real proof as in a skeleton, not some grainy movie.

61 pages ..... wow .....

 

[LAL]

Because of found dead bears we know that they succumb naturally by...

1) Disease or poisoning.
2) Fatal accidents.
3) Killed by other bears. Cubs are especially vulnerable and are found dead and often partially eaten.

That list puts aside deaths caused by humans (i.e. shot, trapped, roadkilled, etc.)

Those are "natural" deaths?

A naturally dying animal tends to hide, hole up, escape detection by something that might be looking for it.

There've been a few bear researchers found dead:

http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2004/01/01/russian_bear_expert_found_dead_in_woods/

None of my business, but have you ever been out of a city?

 

[William Parcher]

Giant squid

Found dead on beaches for over a century. Does Bigfoot ever die?

And why not?

Because unlike the rest of the North American megafauna, it seems fully resistant to confirmation.

I'm glad there are groups that aren't so easily deterred.

I'm glad you're glad.

Easy with funding and a blind in Finland, isn't it?

A hunter with a camera could document one in North America while looking for an entirely different species. It's probably already been done.

For some reason, a few people have chickened out when they realized they were tracking an 8' ape. What would they have done if they'd caught up?

What they do is up to them. Photographs or video recording would be a good start. But they can be assured that the Bigfoot will not kill or injure them. The record shows that quite clearly. BTW, just how do they know they are tracking an 8-foot ape if they never see it?

 

[LAL]

Do you believe that there are cougars living in North Carolina?

Yes.

 

[LAL]

BTW, just how do they know they are tracking an 8-foot ape if they never see it?

By the footprints? Just a guess..............

 

[William Parcher]

Those are "natural" deaths?

You betcha! I could have listed "old age", but just used "disease" instead.

A naturally dying animal tends to hide, hole up, escape detection by something that might be looking for it.

They sometimes do that. Sometimes they don't or can't. When another bear rips your throat out and continues to maul you after you are dead - the hiding places are hard to get to. Of course, biologists can only examine the carcasses they find. I'm sure they miss other dead individuals. There's no "patented dead bear detection device" that is used to find them (though radio collars sometimes perform that function). The biologists find them using whatever senses work for them (sight & smell I would think). Non-professionals find naturally dead bears as well.

The whole "no dead bears thing" that was fed to you by cryptozoologists (specifically Bigfooters) is an intellectually dishonest red herring. Believing it is a symptom of a fancy disease that affects reason and rationality abilities.

 

[William Parcher]

Yes.

I just knew that you believed that cougars are in NC. I just knew it, knew it, knew it.....

You have a beautiful disease and I love you for that.

 

[William Parcher]

None of my business, but have you ever been out of a city?

Awwww.... that's so precious and sentimental. You are channeling Huntster in his absence.

Truth is, I've never left my house in my entire lifetime. That's probably why I don't believe in Bigfoot and don't believe that you are intelligent (like you said you are to us, when you first showed up on JREF coming from BFF).

 

[William Parcher]

Parcher wrote: BTW, just how do they know they are tracking an 8-foot ape if they never see it?

By the footprints? Just a guess..............

That's not your only guess. You have to guess that the original claim is not a fabrication or misidentification of signs. I would even guess that folks might evacuate the forest after seeing a broken tree, because "A very big Bigfoot probably did that."

 

[desertyeti]

 

[LAL]

The whole "no dead bears thing" that was fed to you by cryptozoologists

Actually it wasn't. Dr. Krantz went the trouble of interviewing people who spent time in the woods, but I lived in a PNW forest. There was little in the way of remains of anything to be found. It wasn't terribly remote, but I could easily have died out there and never been found.

This is pretty typical:

 

[LAL]

I just knew that you believed that cougars are in NC. I just knew it, knew it, knew it.....

You have a beautiful disease and I love you for that.

I suppose firsthand accounts from a carful of tourists near Clingman's Dome don't count. 11AM, Sept. 29th last year, bright and sunny and from 10' away. They didn't know what it was and wanted to know what kind of "cats" we have around here. I urged them to report it and hope they did.

I've heard two firsthand accounts of black panthers (one with kittens) and the witnesses don't seem very impressed that they're not in the literature.

It's known they were in North Carolina. Why is it hard to believe they still are? As I've pointed out several times, there's over two million acres in national park, forest and wilderness just in western North Carolina.

I find efforts to explain them away as escaped pets or leftovers from the 30's kind of lacking in believability.

 

[William Parcher]

Actually it wasn't. Dr. Krantz went the trouble of interviewing people who spent time in the woods, but I lived in a PNW forest. There was little in the way of remains of anything to be found. It wasn't terribly remote, but I could easily have died out there and never been found.

I wonder if Krantz ever interviewed bear biologists. They had already been finding and studying bear carcasses and bones. That work is like adding brush strokes to the big painting that is the body of scientific knowledge about bear biology, behavior and ecology. They are a kind of nature documenting system that Krantz may have overlooked. They have never found a Bigfoot.

 

[LAL]

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Referring to the mismeasure of Daegling, pouring lines and examinations of copies that don't fit the original, were you?

Sorry, I missed the post.

 

[LAL]

I'm glad to see John Green is alive and well and still calling the BS:

"john green responds:
February 21st, 2007 at 4:28 am


Sorry Loren, you are a few years behind the curve.

Jeff Meldrum and I both noted and studied that line when the Wallace wooden foot photos first showed up. Like everything else you are so fond of pointing out, superficially there seems to be a match, studied and measured in detail there isn’t.

Also, if such lines were made by the fake foot they should show up in photos and casts of all the tracks made by that foot, not just a few, and they would always be in exactly the same place. They would also have showed, of course, in the other prints of that foot that weren’t photographed or cast. Rene and I spent more than a day studying hundreds of those tracks. Do you really think we were such fools as to fail to note something as obvious as that?

I don’t know what made the lines in the photos, it may have been something someone did while examining the tracks, but they are too wide to have been made by the slit in the carving as well as not being quite in the right place.

There is no such line in the 1958 and 1959 Titmus casts of that same foot either.

When a carved object seems to match an anomaly that showed in a widely-published photo the logical inference, of course, is that the carving was created to imitate the photo, not the other way around.

As to the comment that the tracks are too good to be natural, they were photographed in the days when we used to try to record tracks showing the shape of the foot. It was a couple of months later, at the viewing of the Patterson movie at the University of B.C., that we encountered the criticism that our track casts were too good to be natural, and Bob Titmus then went and cast 10 consecutive tracks at the film site, showing the enormous variation and distortion that the living foot can produce.

Strolling along on a deep layer of dust over a hard surface the Blue Creek Mountain track makers did make more uniform sets of tracks than most, but some tracks were not on the road and there were plenty of shapes that no single fake foot could produce.

John Green"

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/wallace-line/

 

[LAL]

Awwww.... that's so precious and sentimental. You are channeling Huntster in his absence.

Truth is, I've never left my house in my entire lifetime. That's probably why I don't believe in Bigfoot and don't believe that you are intelligent (like you said you are to us, when you first showed up on JREF coming from BFF).

Since you're obviously lying, I must assume you believe I'm intelligent as so many others do. Thanks so much.

Huntster's out doing what he does best: killing.

 

[William Parcher]

Since you're obviously lying, I must assume you believe I'm intelligent as so many others do. Thanks so much.

Jokes aren't lies. But you never hesitate to insert your own mediocre blabber. You won't catch me calling you smart. I might say that you are slick in an obviously bad way.

I've spent time in the PNW wilderness on numerous occasions. I agree it's beautiful.

 

[LAL]

Jokes aren't lies. But you never hesitate to insert your own mediocre blabber. You won't catch me calling you smart. I might say that you are slick in an obviously bad way.

This is where I came in isn't it, with insults instead of debate?

I object to the stereotyping that goes on on this board, and I'm glad some people have seen through it. I can only hope a few of you will grow up (if you don't get waylaid in an alley first for pulling the attitude in the wrong place at the wrong time).

I've spent time in the PNW wilderness on numerous occasions. I agree it's beautiful.

What part? (I'm glad to see you're not so insensitive you didn't notice.)