Ah, the difference in cultures...

[CFLarsen]

Remember the brouhaha over Janet Jackson's brief flashing a mostly-covered nipple during the Superbowl?

Fines, outrage, public apologies, lions at the gate.

One cannot help ponder the profound differences in cultures, when one reads this:

Brazil's Carnival has always been a raucous affair and beauty queen Angela Bismarchi took it another step further on Monday night when her only item of clothing, a small patch of glitter, fell off mid-parade.

Bismarchi was the talk of the town on the second and final night of Rio de Janeiro's centerpiece Carnival parades, where full nudity is officially banned even though many outfits leave precious little to the imagination.

The young woman, queen of the Porto da Pedra samba school, was briefly left entirely naked but for a few feathers and some body paint when her "tapasexo", a tiny piece of material topped with glitter, fell away.

But Bismarchi quickly conjured up a thong and carried on dancing, later laughing off the incident with an old Brazilian saying: "A well prepared woman is worth two."
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Laugh about it. And move on. That's the way to do it.




"Tapasexo". Live and learn...

 

[Schneibster]

Damn! One a these days I gotta get down to Rio for Carnival. Oh, yeah, I forgot, I'm married... c'est la vie.

 

[El Greco]

Are we talking about this Angela Bismarchi ? (this is one of the very few forum-acceptable photos I could find).

 

[CFLarsen]

But very un-clausy, he didn't provide any hard evidence. Like a video clip that needs professionally trained eyes to check for authenticity, spot a possible fake etc.

That would be against forum rules, I think.

In both cases.....

 

[Schneibster]

This is Amurrca, we don't allow no nekkid people here.

 

[CFLarsen]

Are we talking about this Angela Bismarchi ?

I have links to much more....evidential....pictures, but...alas, forum rules. Forum rules...

 

[Schneibster]

Oh, come on, it wasn't THAT hard... errmmm, difficult.

 

[Ove]

As i write this i am listening the very fine Danish Song Quartet "The Sons of the Desert" (yes they are named after that Laurel&Hardy movie). Singing the "Impotence Suite" .. If they had performed in USA they would probably have been hanged in the nearest lamppost..

And i must admit i too was one of those that shook my head in disbelief over the Jackson affair...

 

[Skibum]

Remember the brouhaha over Janet Jackson's brief flashing a mostly-covered nipple during the Superbowl?

Fines, outrage, public apologies, lions at the gate.

One cannot help ponder the profound differences in cultures, when one reads this:



Laugh about it. And move on. That's the way to do it.




"Tapasexo". Live and learn...

Did this happen on national television, during one of the most watched events of the year?

Apples and oranges comparison perhaps?

 

[Molinaro]

Brazil's carnival is one of the most watched events, for them. The comparrison seems entirely appropriate.

 

[Skibum]

Brazil's carnival is one of the most watched events, for them. The comparrison seems entirely appropriate.

Perhaps, but was the incident televised?

 

[HarryKeogh]

Somebody call AP. Someone has figured out that the Brazilians are more relaxed in their attitudes about public nudity than Americans!

Wasn't Janet Jackson's nipple at the Superbowl three years ago? Yawn.

 

[Kerberos]

Perhaps, but was the incident televised?

One can only hope.

 

[Skibum]

One can only hope.

Eh, while she might be better looking than JJ, Angela looksa bit too much like a drag queen for my taste.

 

[fuelair]

Did this happen on national television, during one of the most watched events of the year?

Apples and oranges comparison perhaps?

Only apples/oranges because of big US puritan streak of such silliness.

 

[CFLarsen]

Somebody call AP. Someone has figured out that the Brazilians are more relaxed in their attitudes about public nudity than Americans!

Understatement of the year...

That depends on what you call "nudity". There can't be any full nudity, but there certainly isn't a lack of fully exposed nipples.

But even in this case, the different reaction is striking: An accidental half-exposed nipple causing a major uproar. A tapasexo accidentally dropped, causing a smile.

Wasn't Janet Jackson's nipple at the Superbowl three years ago? Yawn.

And? Are Americans more relaxed in their attitudes about public nudity than three years ago?

 

[Darth Rotor]

As i write this i am listening the very fine Danish Song Quartet "The Sons of the Desert" (yes they are named after that Laurel&Hardy movie). Singing the "Impotence Suite" .. If they had performed in USA they would probably have been hanged in the nearest lamppost..

And i must admit i too was one of those that shook my head in disbelief over the Jackson affair...

So, how do you square this with the popularity of a song called "Up Aginst the Wall, Mother f___er" in the late 1960s' and early 1970's? How do you square that with "Some Girls" being on the air? How do you square that with the soft porn Music Videos all over the broadcast spectrum?

DR

 

[CFLarsen]

So, how do you square this with the popularity of a song called "Up Aginst the Wall, Mother f___er" in the late 1960s' and early 1970's? How do you square that with "Some Girls" being on the air? How do you square that with the soft porn Music Videos all over the broadcast spectrum?

DR

The question is: How do you square that with Nipplegate?

 

[HarryKeogh]

But even in this case, the different reaction is striking: An accidental half-exposed nipple causing a major uproar. A tapasexo accidentally dropped, causing a smile.

While I agree with you that the uproar over the Superbowl incident was silly let's be fair as there have been instances of nudity on American television that didn't lead to an uproar and fines, etc. (such as a woman bearing her breasts outside the Today Show studios as the camera panned across the crowd...no fines, no public uproar).

The Superbowl incident generated such uproar because of the size of the event and it being perceived as intentional by many.

Again, a silly reaction but not the norm everytime Americans see a nipple on TV.

Unfortunately we have a large fundamentalist population and conservative leadership and they tend to overreact to trivial things and make a very vocal stink about it.

Different cultures react to things differently. For example in Denmark they had to waste time to investigate if the Danish cartoons were blasphemous (fortunately they decided no crime was committed). No such investigation took place in the United States.

 

[CFLarsen]

While I agree with you that the uproar over the Superbowl incident was silly let's be fair as there have been instances of nudity on American television that didn't lead to an uproar and fines, etc. (such as a woman bearing her breasts outside the Today Show studios as the camera panned across the crowd...no fines, no public uproar).

The Superbowl incident generated such uproar because of the size of the event and it being perceived as intentional by many.

Again, a silly reaction but not the norm everytime Americans see a nipple on TV.

How many times do Americans see nipples (female, that is) on TV?

Unfortunately we have a large fundamentalist population and conservative leadership and they tend to overreact to trivial things and make a very vocal stink about it.

Oh, no, it wasn't just a "very vocal stink". A half-covered nipple resulted in:

• "Janet Jackson" being the most looked-for term in 2004 for many search engines
  
  
• MTV was banned from ever participating in an NFL half-time show again
  
  
• The FCC cracked down hard on subsequent shows, e.g. Howard Stern.
  
  
• Viacom was fined a total of $550,000 by the FCC.
  
  
• Viacom finally paid out no less than $3,5 million to settle complaints.
  
  
• Some networks imposed long periods of time delays.
  
  
• U.S. House of Represensative passed a bill enabling the FCC to fine not $27,500 per violation, but a whopping $500,000. This was lowered by the Senate to $275,000 per incident, with a maximum of $3 million a day.

Yeah, it's been 3 years, so it's easy to forget just how big a deal this was.

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Different cultures react to things differently. For example in Denmark they had to waste time to investigate if the Danish cartoons were blasphemous (fortunately they decided no crime was committed). No such investigation took place in the United States.

I understand if you want to talk about something else, but let's just finish this first: A complaint was filed, but was found to be groundless.

We now return to discuss this vast difference in how cultures view nudity.