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Questions for 9/11 Truthers

jhunter1163 said:
What A-Train is proposing could be called the LAMO (Low Altitude, Multiple Opening) drop. You jump out of the plane at 1,000 feet, are immediately torn limb from limb by the wind force, and a tiny parachute on each limb then opens and drops the limb into the target area.

OK, this might be how they planted the body parts, but I bet there'd be few volunteers.

Anyone want to critique my LAMO theory?
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LMAO at LAMO ;)
 
jhunter1163 said:
What A-Train is proposing could be called the LAMO (Low Altitude, Multiple Opening) drop. You jump out of the plane at 1,000 feet, are immediately torn limb from limb by the wind force, and a tiny parachute on each limb then opens and drops the limb into the target area.

OK, this might be how they planted the body parts, but I bet there'd be few volunteers.

Anyone want to critique my LAMO theory?
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I think the mention of the flesh-and-bone sectioning capabilities of the nylon parachute harness should be addressed.
Were these special harnesses to take the shock of a 30-sigma opening velocity on the remainder of the body?
Or was the severing actually done by the airstream prior to opening?
These are important questions.
ETA: consider this the HSSBP theory--High Speed Sectioned Body Parts
 
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jhunter1163 said:
What A-Train is proposing could be called the LAMO (Low Altitude, Multiple Opening) drop. You jump out of the plane at 1,000 feet, are immediately torn limb from limb by the wind force, and a tiny parachute on each limb then opens and drops the limb into the target area.

OK, this might be how they planted the body parts, but I bet there'd be few volunteers.

Anyone want to critique my LAMO theory?
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Here's a critique - was it too hard to find an "E" to go in there? LAME-O is a much better name!

Low Altitude, Multiple Escape, Opening. There.
 
A-Train said:
Well, you guys seem to have a tendency to be able to talk yourselves into just about anything. Is it the same "others on this forum" who are "certain" that WTC7 was brought down by a burning diesel generator tank?
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Actually, I think what has you upset is the fact that you can't talk us into accepting the drivel you spout. You have talked yourself into believing it, yet wonder why, when you say these patently absurd things, we don't unquestioningly believe you. Then you post what you think is proof, but all it is, is paranoid nonsense by deluded morons just like you.
It's really too bad that you are so ignorant. If you would pull your cranium from your posterior, you might be able to actually see things are not as twisted and complicated as you believe. Hey, you might even finally figure out that the Jews are pretty cool, instead of the scheming backstabbers you believe they are.
Oh, and you really need to clean up that slime trail you left behind you, before someone slips and falls.
 
Wow, A-Train I mean seriously WOW.

Do you really believe what you have posted, I mean seriously, honestly believe it?
 
A-Train said:
No. No movies. I refer you all once again to the quote from the book by former Navy SEAL Chuck Pfarrer.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2339966#post2339966
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They had a 727 with a rear door in the tail? You are one crazy guy.

You may be one flipped out guy. Parachutes is far out, and since the planes were hand flown in the final approach as proved by flight 77. Are you wrong out of the gate.

Try a different made up story. Parachutes was original, and Wrong!
 
Even if it WERE possible to parachute out of a plane traveling 400mph + at 1000 feet and live, I'd like to note that A-Train has that special woo woo quality of believing that something only has to be possible to prove it happened.

I propose that YOU, A-Train, were responsible for the planning of 911, and because of threats on your life you are slowly, innocently, spelling out your part in it pieces at a time on an internet forum.

Prove me wrong.
 
A-Train said:
Why does it have to be a low altitude jump at 400+mph? Where are you getting that? It could have been from 20,000 feet at 200 knots.
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OK, but that's inconsistent with the rest of the story. If the plan was for the Israeli commando team to take over the plane, point it at the tower (or the Pentagon), leave it on autopilot and jump, they would be at 1000 feet (or something like it), because it would be impossible for the plane to execute a descent from 20,000 feet accurately any way except under local or remote control; an autopilot couldn't do it and be expected to end up anywhere near the building. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. So the possibilities are (please tell me if I missed any):

(1) The Israelis had some scheme to fly the planes into the buildings by remote control.
(2) The planes were never intended to fly into the buildings (so why did they?)
(3) There's some way to jump at low altitude, high speed, when the planes are on their final approach to the buildings.
(4) It was a suicide mission.

Which one(s) of those do you think is likely, and if none, what specifically do you think happened?

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
OK, but that's inconsistent with the rest of the story. If the plan was for the Israeli commando team to take over the plane, point it at the tower (or the Pentagon), leave it on autopilot and jump, they would be at 1000 feet (or something like it), because it would be impossible for the plane to execute a descent from 20,000 feet accurately any way except under local or remote control; an autopilot couldn't do it and be expected to end up anywhere near the building. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. So the possibilities are (please tell me if I missed any):

(1) The Israelis had some scheme to fly the planes into the buildings by remote control.
(2) The planes were never intended to fly into the buildings (so why did they?)
(3) There's some way to jump at low altitude, high speed, when the planes are on their final approach to the buildings.
(4) It was a suicide mission.

Which one(s) of those do you think is likely, and if none, what specifically do you think happened?
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A-Train could probably argue each possibility. He can make up things to make any of them work, no matter how crazy. In fact, he could probably, with his super morphing debate technique, make ALL 4 of your possibilities work in one theory.

His debate mojo is strong...
 
twinstead said:
Even if it WERE possible to parachute out of a plane traveling 400mph + at 1000 feet and live, I'd like to note that A-Train has that special woo woo quality of believing that something only has to be possible to prove it happened.
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Right, and according to James Bond movies (was it "Moonraker"?) it's easy to navigate through the air whilst in free fall, thus smoothly avoiding the forest of high-rise buildings one would encounter sky-diving horizontally into Manhattan.
 
A-Train said:
Why does it have to be a low altitude jump at 400+mph? Where are you getting that? It could have been from 20,000 feet at 200 knots.
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If the plane could find its target that accurately without a pilot, why did they need hijackers at all?
 
Dave Rogers said:
(1) The [commandos] had some scheme to fly the planes into the buildings by remote control.
(2) The planes were never intended to fly into the buildings (so why did they?)
(3) There's some way to jump at low altitude, high speed, when the planes are on their final approach to the buildings.
(4) It was a suicide mission.

Which one(s) of those do you think is likely, and if none, what specifically do you think happened?

Dave
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The hijackings were necessary to properly frame the Arabs, by having Arab-looking commandos do the hijackings while committing heinous acts like stabbing stewardesses. This false impression of a horrific Arab hijacking was then passed on by the passengers via their phone calls to the American public, who bought it hook, line, and sinker, and were thus incited to support wars in the Middle East.

After killing the pilots and putting on the mock-Arab stageshow hijacking, the passengers are herded to the back of the plane. The hijackers now rig the cockpit for remote navigation. Do they program the Flight Management Computer to fly a pre-designated flight plan, or do they rig the cockpit to be flown by a real human at a remote location? I don't know.

With the plane now flying pilotless, the hijackers slip down a hatch to the cargo hold at the front of the plane, where they are invisible to the passengers in the back of the plane. The plane is flown over a pre-determined GPS point corresponding to a rural area where the sight of skyjumpers is common. They exit the plane in a manner similar to that described by former Navy SEAL Chuck Pfarrer in the passage quoted above. This occurs at least 10 minutes before the planes crash.

It should be noted that some genuine Arab patsies, like Satam al-Suqami, were actually on the plane, and were shot by the hijackers as was Suqami. When the plane crashes, the recovered DNA of these patsies is held up to a credulous American public as "proof" that al-Qaeda did 9/11.

What a perfect frame-up job. So slick, so lovely. It almost makes your eyes water.
 
A-Train said:
"Autopilot" can mean a lot of things. Is it the plane's FMC, or some kind of remote navigation system like Global Hawk? We don't know. But don't be so quick to talk yourself into believing these planes were hand flown, unless you are intimately familiar with all the remote navigation systems out there.
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Don't be so quick to convince yourself that a 757 or 767 can be flown by remote control unless you have at least taken the time to read apathoid's paper on how the flight control systems of these airplanes work and the possibilities of flying them by remote control. You can find it here.

Unless you happen to be as intimately familiar with the control and navigation systems on these planes as someone who works on them for a @#$% living, I suggest that you would do well to give the opinions of such a person more weight than CTer Web sites or your own uninformed speculations.

This isn't a story conference for some damned movie, where you can spin more horsepuckey to plug every plot hole that someone notices. Before you add yet more complexity to your speculations, have you got a single scrap of positive evidence that any of the claims you make describe something that actually happened- not that it might be possible, but that it happened?

BTW, your vaunted Navy SEAL's claim to jump from commercial airline flights at 35,000 feet as a means of covert entry into hostile territory is very highly suspect- a cabin decompression is a mighty hard thing to conceal, even if the flight crew is in on the scheme.

Perhaps books written for the blood, gore 'n' guts market aren't any more reliable as sources than the paranoia industry's Internet outlets.
 
A-Train, are you going to post the "dozens" of flight manifests you claimed existed, or were you lying about those?
 
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