"AIDS cure suppressed for about 10 years"

burnvictim77

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I ran across this in a myspace forum.

It's pretty sweet, and the guy who posted it quickly resorted to using famous quotes about how we should all keep an open mind.

But, check this out:
In 1990, at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, in New York City, scientists (Steve Kaali, M.D., and others) discovered a way to neutralize the HIV virus in vitro (this means the blood is removed or the skin is penetrated). Dr. Bob Beck, a Doctor of Science (scientist), took this BLOOD ELECTRIFICATION technology a step further and developed a device to do the same job, but in vivo (meaning the blood isn't removed or the skin isn't penetrated).

Here is the URL for Bob Beck's lecture notes:

http://www.teslatech.com/beck/

Hats off to Steve Kaali and the others for creating the BLOOD ELECTRIFICATION technology, and to Bob Beck for making it affordable (less than $200). And hats off to the people using this technology to neutralize HIV and many other organism-based diseases.

Here is the URL for one of the places selling the device (if you want to build your own):

http://www.sharinghealth.com/productsrec/bioelectric.html

And here is the schematics for the device:

http://www.sharinghealth.com/site map.html

For more information, search the internet for these keywords:

BLOOD ELECTRIFICATION
BECK PROTOCOL

I am a researcher, not a patient, in case anyone is wondering.

BLOOD ELECTRIFICATION technology is one of the cures for HIV that was suppressed for a long time because the people responsible for suppressing the technology thought that money was more important than people, rather than thinking people are more important than money.
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The audacity of some charlatans...
 
Same story at this site: http://educate-yourself.org/be/

Find the error:

1. In order to obtain a patent from the United States Patent Office, Kaali and Schwolsky had to prove that the device works as claimed. Lacking solid proof, US patents are simply not granted.

2. Very often it takes years to obtain a patent, yet this patent was granted in only nine months; a further indication to me of the strength of their demonstrated claims
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All kinds of whacky ideas were tried in the 90s to treat AIDS. We took my brother down to Atlanta when we heard about a similar experimental treatment. The doctor's idea was to heat the patient's blood to about 115 degrees and kill the AIDS virus that way. He was looking for human guinea pigs on which to try it out.

He turned my brother down on the basis that my brother was still living a self-destructive lifestyle. The doc told my brother flatly that he wasn't going to save his life just to have him go and kill himself again.

The last I heard, the doc eventually ended up doing his experiments in Mexico due to the hazardous nature of his idea not being approved in the U.S. The experiment was a failure, of course. 115 degrees kills a lot more than the AIDS virus.

My brother died January 25, 1993 of complications from AIDS.

So I have a special place of scorn in my heart for these jackasses selling this electrical sham.
 
Also, the radio frequency crap discussed in the link I posted is typical hogwash from a branch of the homeopathic crowd.
 
Luke T. said:
My brother died January 25, 1993 of complications from AIDS.

So I have a special place of scorn in my heart for these jackasses selling this electrical sham.
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Luke, so sorry about your brother. It reminds us of why we need to expose these charlatans.
 
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There was also the hydrogen peroxide cure that was heavily touted in the nineties. I heard Eustace Mullins endorse that and disclose how the evil gubnit was hushing it up.

Not too much later I saw a mainstream story saying some govt. hospital, I think it was a Navy hospital, had studied it and found it did not work.

Now I have zero medical knowledge but every time I hear about a miracle aids cure it seems to be based on being able to kill aids in a test tube. Well from a common sense stand point maybe putting the aids virus in a test tube full of gasoline will kill it. So all we have to do is start injecting people with large amounts of gasoline....

I have heard several of these people speak and it always revolves around some way to kill the virus outside the human body. While I can see where that might be a good place to start you surely will find things that work outside the body that could not be done inside it? Or so I would think.
 
In vivo means "in life". That is, the treatment works in the biological entity. In vitro means "in glass", meaning that the process works in test tubes, Petri dishes, slides, etc. These terms have nothing to do with blood removal or skin penetration (Drugs work in vivo regardless of the method of introduction.) Don't trust anyone who doesn't know the nomenclature.

And, Luke T., life sometimes just sucks. Sorry.
 
Slimething said:
In vivo means "in life". That is, the treatment works in the biological entity. In vitro means "in glass", meaning that the process works in test tubes, Petri dishes, slides, etc. These terms have nothing to do with blood removal or skin penetration (Drugs work in vivo regardless of the method of introduction.) Don't trust anyone who doesn't know the nomenclature.

And, Luke T., life sometimes just sucks. Sorry.
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In vivo, as opposed to taking the blood out to heat it outside the boody, as in the previous procedure. That doesn't make it any less quackery, but he was using the term the correctly.
 
Luke says "Find the error"

1. In order to obtain a patent from the United States Patent Office, Kaali and Schwolsky had to prove that the device works as claimed. Lacking solid proof, US patents are simply not granted.
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The United States patent office does not have the time, personel, or expertise to determine the efficacy of medical treatments. That is the job of the FDA. Patents are a federally enforced monopoly...nothing else.
 
burnvictim77 said:
In vivo, as opposed to taking the blood out to heat it outside the boody, as in the previous procedure. That doesn't make it any less quackery, but he was using the term the correctly.
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I'm not sure, burnv. I"m a chemist and may be too used to thinking of in vitro as in isolated test tubes so I'm unfamiliar about the middlin' things like whether or not dialysis or heart-lung machines are considered in vivo or in vitro. I'll give the point as I've not run across anything in my travels that identifies it as one or the other. :o

Still anyone who forgets that proteins are more fragile than viruses sure would be surprised at what this treatment really accomplished.
 
Slimething said:
I'm not sure, burnv. I"m a chemist and may be too used to thinking of in vitro as in isolated test tubes so I'm unfamiliar about the middlin' things like whether or not dialysis or heart-lung machines are considered in vivo or in vitro.
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I'm not sure either, but this could be a false dichotomy. There may be an entirely different name for these kind of processes: ex vivo? Heck if I know.
 
KingMerv00 said:
Luke says "Find the error"



The United States patent office does not have the time, personel, or expertise to determine the efficacy of medical treatments.
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Bingo.

As for the second part about them getting the patent in only nine months, I recall that there was a great hue and cry in the 90s to put potential cures and treatments for AIDS on the fast-track for approval.

And the government was hesitant to do so precisely because some of the "cures" might be worse than the disease.
 
Luke T. said:
Same story at this site: http://educate-yourself.org/be/

Find the error:



All kinds of whacky ideas were tried in the 90s to treat AIDS. We took my brother down to Atlanta when we heard about a similar experimental treatment. The doctor's idea was to heat the patient's blood to about 115 degrees and kill the AIDS virus that way. He was looking for human guinea pigs on which to try it out.

He turned my brother down on the basis that my brother was still living a self-destructive lifestyle. The doc told my brother flatly that he wasn't going to save his life just to have him go and kill himself again.

The last I heard, the doc eventually ended up doing his experiments in Mexico due to the hazardous nature of his idea not being approved in the U.S. The experiment was a failure, of course. 115 degrees kills a lot more than the AIDS virus.

My brother died January 25, 1993 of complications from AIDS.

So I have a special place of scorn in my heart for these jackasses selling this electrical sham.
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I'm so sorry. My brother died in 1996, after living with the virus for fifteen years. I remember vividly reading the letter with my mother when I was in the fifth grade, trying to understand what this disease was.

When he died, luckily it was in Seattle at Harborview, where "lifestyle" had no bearing. (I cannot imagine your grief in that situation) He declined abnormally rapidly with the complication of PCP in the brain (the degeneration, not the drug). His brain was used to further AIDS research. Reading the medical records of his last 48 hours were gut-wrenching, to say the least.

My oldest and dearest friend, who is has now moved from HIV infection to the beginning of the end, has tried all manner of this woo. He still believes in it, and tries everything. I stay quiet in my skepticism, only because it is not I who faces a fast approaching, unpleasant end with such certainty and foreknowledge.

Scams like these are absolutely disgusting. To prey on the terminally ill is the lowest of low. Unfortunately an atheist lacks the comfort of a hell for folks like this to burn in.
 
Miss Anthrope said:
I'm so sorry. My brother died in 1996, after living with the virus for fifteen years. I remember vividly reading the letter with my mother when I was in the fifth grade, trying to understand what this disease was.

When he died, luckily it was in Seattle at Harborview, where "lifestyle" had no bearing. (I cannot imagine your grief in that situation) He declined abnormally rapidly with the complication of PCP in the brain (the degeneration, not the drug). His brain was used to further AIDS research. Reading the medical records of his last 48 hours were gut-wrenching, to say the least.
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My brother was an IV drug abuser. I wrote a little bit about him on another forum:

Late 1992. Yale New Haven Hospital. Around two in the morning.

I have driven all night up from Norfolk, Virginia. My brother is hospitalized once again with complications from AIDS. I planned on just driving to my parents' house and seeing my brother in the morning, but I changed my mind. I violate visiting hours and sneak into his room.

My brother is asleep. A hospital bedspread is over him. The lights are out but I can see him by moonlight. He is in the fetal position. He looks like a badly drawn stick figure. I stand over him for a long time. I think to myself I could probably lift him with one hand.

I've never told him I love him.
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How sick was I? How much of a self-centered bastard alcoholic was I? Let me tell you.

My dying brother spent a lot of time in hospitals. He was broke financially, of course. Somehow or other, I learned he wanted a Gameboy to while the hours away during his hospital stays. My brother was not a big reader.

So I buy him one. Eighty bucks. I still remember. Eighty bucks.

I go to the hospital and give it to him. He is very pleased and amazed at my gesture, just the way I expected. He grins from ear to ear. Then he expresses concern to me, because he knows they ain't cheap. Luke T., big spender!

I say, "Just leave it to me in your will." And we laugh.

But I f****** mean it. When you die from this AIDS s***, I want it back. I don't say that out loud.

The following year, when my brother dies, I'm actually waiting for his wife to turn it over to me. I don't ask for the Gameboy. I just expect my brother had left instructions to return it to me. This never happens.

I actually resent this for, like, YEARS!
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Fortunately, I was finally able to tell my brother I loved him. Five days before he died.
 
So...has anyone had any experience with this?

Where can I find research on the process?

Edit: I see it being talked about but no one is referencing any in-depth studies. Has this been brought up before or are people just commenting for the sake of it?

Has this been debunked or is it still in question?
 
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Blood Electrification

I ripped this from Natural Earth:

Blood Electrification is a form of natural therapy[1] that aims to promote natural health - it is considered an alternative and natural treatment[1,2] used to enhance a happy and healthy lifestyle.

Zapping the AIDS virus with low voltage electric current can nearly eliminate its ability to infect human white blood cells cultured in the laboratory[3], reports a research team at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City. William D Lyman and his colleagues found that exposure to 50 to 100 microamperes of electricity - comparable to that produced by a cardiac pacemaker - reduced the infectivity of the AIDS virus (HIV) by 50 to 95 percent.

William Lyman and Steven Kaali, who observed that low electric current inactivated the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) patented a device for treating infected blood, which included the idea of implanting an electrical device in the veins of the patient. Robert C. Beck later noticed the required amount of current could be easily driven through bare skin, through electrodes, and used this non-intrusive method as part of the "Beck protocol". He suggested using 4 Hz alternating current.

Proponents now claim that, according to their experience, direct current gives more results than 4 Hz AC. According to their reports, application of a 300 microamperes 6V Direct current is very effective in treating diverse diseases like cancer[4] and diseases caused by bacteria, like tuberculosis, toothaches[5] and other infections. They also have reported drastic reductions in PCR-measured viral load of virus like the HIV and hepatitis-c, and non-measured improvements in diseases like herpes, flu, CFS, and others. Despite those reports, no controlled studies have been performed to evaluate this technique in vivo[6], just in vitro. There is no scientific explication of how it works[7], as each of those conditions involve completely different mechanisms.

The use of microcurrents against pathogens is not FDA-approved[8] and sounds remarkly like quackery. Proponents have conspiratory theories, alleging that home-making “such a device is so simple that there could be no economical interest in funding more expensive research” about this, and “it could disrupt the pharmaceutical industry.” Besides that, there would be no money for the press-releases needed to make it known. In fact, almost nothing was heard in the media about those studies, and few groups had the interest to try to reproduce them, even though they are extremely easy to reproduce[9].
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[1] – “Natural” therapies do not use technology, and vice-versa.
[2] – “Alternative” treatments do not involve medically scientific protocols to determine efficacy, but rather rely on the patient’s subjective feelings of well-being to determine the “success” of the treatment.
[3] – “In Vitro” cultures, to be precise. These leukocytes were grown in a laboratory, and tested in glassware vessels, not in human bodies. The results are therefore, irrelevant.
[4] – “Cancer” is more than one disease. There are several different virii that cause their respective cancers.
[5] – “Toothache” is a symptom, not a disease, and can be caused by a mis-aligned jaw, a cracked tooth, or piece of foil on a silver filling.
[6] – “No controlled studies … in vivo” means that the reports of in vivo success are largely anecdotal.
[7] – “No scientific explication…” means that science and the scientific method are not involved in any explanations of the mechanism or causal chain of events that lead to alleged cures.
[8] – “Not FDA-approved.” The FDA approves drugs and treatments only after a long, drawn-out process involving duplication of effort and results, as well as peer-group review.
[9] – “Conspiratory theories…” I think they mean “Conspiracy Theories,” especially those concerning alleged government plots to permit the pharmaceutical industry to maintain its monopoly on public health.

There is no proof that blood electrification provides any benefit -- there are only apocryphal anecdotes ("Urban Legends") and personal testimonies ("Rumors") to back up any claims of the efficacy of blood electrification treatments.

May as well drink eight glasses of magnetic water each day... :mad:
 
I'm not bothered about the explanation or the terminology, people can be misled by such things. If the process itself provides results then surely it's worth looking into. Urban legends come about due to all sorts of reasons, that doesn't make them unworthy of investigation. As it seems rather inexpensive to test I'm surprised that I haven't been able to find a record of someone attempting to duplicate anything involved with it.
 
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