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I must admit I'm still not sure what events you're referring to. I must have missed it somewhere.

Specifically the Cox sighting 1/2 mile east of Beacon Rock and the 7 miles of double trackway. There's more, but that's what did it for me.

Thanks for posting the transcript. OK, so it's clear she's stating a belief not confined soley to bigfoot.

And she wasn't just referring to folklore. She mentioned two NA Native sightings.

I should probably clarify about bodies. She was talking about possible concealment as a means of not drawing attention that could be detrimental.

Dying animals normally hide. Even fish do this and they're not overly intelligent as animals go.

Fair enough, maybe just for you and I. Did you miss the last Q&A post?

Evidently. I can't even find it now. Should we start a thread? This one's pretty crowded and all over the place.
 
Your demands that Anti Foot (Bob H) recreate the walk and arm swing exactly after 40 years screams of desperation. If he purposesfully altered his gait slightly resulting in the Patty stroll how on earth is he supposed to nail it exactly on the head some 40 years later huh?

Supposedly that's his normal walk. He shouldn't have had to recreate it.

There are a few other things you're ignoring, such as shoulder width and the rest of his proportions.

Note the coarseness of the hair on the suit. SY has pointed out the PGF figure's hair looks to be rather fine. Morris "recreated" his 1967 suit using coarse Dynel. ( I assume it's Dynel - to my knowlege Dynell was the only synthetic hair available in 1967.)

This is another shot from the clip that was on Korff's defunct site:

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It's too bad it was taken down. There was supposed to be a DVD and everything. Seems Korff and Long got into it. I've heard there was footage on the NG's Is It Real?: Bigfoot but that episode doesn't seem to be for sale on their site. Anyone see it?
 
At the risk of irritating those who keep discussing the guy in a suit, here's some more pertinent observations about the basics of footprints and casting artifacts:

Below are photos of a track cast (whole specimen and close up of the central portion) I made by pouring hydrostone plaster on top of a recently poured (still damp) plaster cast of roughly BF-proportions. The pseudo-dermals are quite a bit smaller than those seen in the "Onion Mountain" and other prints, and in fact, are just about the correct size to be human or ape dermatoglyphics. But they're dessication ridges, not dermals. They are clearly visible on the perimeters of the larger, more obvious pour boundaries of the casting material.

The importance of this specimen, in my mind is that it shows that dessication can occur even in a damp substrate (not-yet-cured plaster), as long as there is enought of a chemical reaction to draw water out. Gypsum is a great mineral for doing this, as are clays of many types (as Tube and I have both discussed before).

This specimen adds yet one more example of very convincing-looking pseudo-dermals forming completely in absence of real features. The case for any BF print showing real dermals is even weaker now (actually, dead in my opinion), since these pseud-dermals are apparently a lot more common and a lot easier to produce than many would have us believe.
Sorry for injecting science into the topic of BF.
Carry on with debating the rubber gloves and clown shoes...


 
....The more obvious answer to Goodall's apparent willingness to entertain the idea of Bigfoot, is that she is just a nice person, humoring the footers ...

The obvious conclusion to draw from that opinion is that you are not a nice person.

Would that be correct?

I prefer to opine that she is tuned into science, and you're tuned into ideology, but what do I know?
 
Now let us wander back to the claims that Wallace's feet are copied from actual bigfoot tracks, and that explains the resemblance....

The claim (Green's originally, I think) is that the Wallace wooden feet, which were not typical of his false feet, were copied from a Titmus cast. There were copies of this cast for sale in the area.

The prints the family claimed he made were an inch longer than the wooden feet, a fact the family didn't seem to know. I don't think slippage can account for the difference.

From The Best of Sasquatch Bigfoot, pg. 14:
 

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The claim (Green's originally, I think) is that the Wallace wooden feet, which were not typical of his false feet, were copied from a Titmus cast. There were copies of this cast for sale in the area.

The prints the family claimed he made were an inch longer than the wooden feet, a fact the family didn't seem to know. I don't think slippage can account for the difference.

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From The Best of Sasquatch Bigfoot, pg. 14:
So, once again we see a wallace foot next to a print it obviously doesn't match..


Let's try this one...


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The claim (Green's originally, I think) is that the Wallace wooden feet, which were not typical of his false feet, were copied from a Titmus cast. There were copies of this cast for sale in the area.

The prints the family claimed he made were an inch longer than the wooden feet, a fact the family didn't seem to know. I don't think slippage can account for the difference.

From The Best of Sasquatch Bigfoot, pg. 14:

Again, the obvious wrong wooden foot is trotted out as if no one will notice.....

What is the point of that, BTW?

Why the deception?

It can only be deliberate, imo.
 
Again, the obvious wrong wooden foot is trotted out as if no one will notice.....

The comparison is with the better foot. Wallace left is even worse. Three toes weren't even carved out.

What is the point of that, BTW?

Why is it the wrong foot? If you turn it over and make a print then cast the print then turn the cast over won't you have a right foot cast similar to what is shown?

Why the deception?

What deception? Both the cast and the wooden foot represent a right foot.

It can only be deliberate, imo.

Geez. Take it up with John Green.

Wallace fake feet don't match anything. That should be obvious even to the terminally biased.
 
Lu, no one is talking about right and left feet and you know it.

It's the wrong set of Wallace feet altogether, and you know that too.

Folks, this is the deliberate obtuseness that Lu always resorts to when she is caught attempting to obfuscate.

She's just playing stupid and pretending not to know what I'm talking about.

It's nothing but deliberate childishness and I'm so tired of it I could scream.

What deception? Both the cast and the wooden foot represent a right foot.

Stuff it, Lu.

Don't ever expect a response from me again, you jerk.

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Lu, no one is talking about right and left feet and you know it.

No I don't know that.

It's the wrong set of Wallace feet altogether, and you know that too.

No, because that's the set the family provided as their "evidence" that Ray faked the 1958 tracks. They'd been hanging in full view on the wall of the souvenir shop in Toledo, Wa., for years.

Folks, this is the deliberate obtuseness that Lu always resorts to when she is caught attempting to obfuscate.

No obtuseness nor obfuscation at all. If Bill would do a little research instead of stating his speculations as fact, he wouldn't be caught like this.

When they can't refute the facts they resort to calling me "obtuse". No worries; I'm used to it. That term was old when I was a kid.

She's just playing stupid and pretending not to know what I'm talking about.

It's nothing but deliberate childishness and I'm so tired of it I could scream.

I'm sitting here cool as a cucumber watching a supposedly grow person go ballistic and he's calling me childish. Amazing.

Of course, we've been all over this. There must be a different set of Wallace feet for every trackway. They just haven't found them all yet.

Stuff it, Lu.

Don't ever expect a response from me again, you jerk.

Once again Bill demonstrates his ability to debate the issues in a mature and responsible manner. Does this mean I'm filtered? Is it the second or third time? I've rather lost track.

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Those have been scaled, of course, but even so they're not a match. The cast is a Titmus cast and I think Bill and Greg have done an admirable job of showing what I'm talking about.

I tend to believe the eyewitness to the 1958 track event over a poster on a message board who obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.

Here's that pesky article again, for anyone who cares about the reality:

http://www.bfro.net/news/jgreen_bluff_creek_tracks.asp
 
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Folks, this is the deliberate obtuseness that Lu always resorts to when she is caught attempting to obfuscate.

She's just playing stupid and pretending not to know what I'm talking about.

It's nothing but deliberate childishness and I'm so tired of it I could scream.



Stuff it, Lu.

Don't ever expect a response from me again, you jerk.

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For some of us, this whole BF-thing is about the science behind a possible mystery.
For others, it's an excuse to argue, to feel important, and to escape a very sad, very dull existence.

Of course I fall into the latter category!;)
There I said it!:p
 
For some of us, this whole BF-thing is about the science behind a possible mystery.
For others, it's an excuse to argue, to feel important, and to escape a very sad, very dull existence.

Of course I fall into the latter category!;)
There I said it!:p

Yeah so do I...LOL.

Honestly though I like to delve more into the desire of these people for Bigfeetsus to really really really be there. I prefer to get straight to the heart of the matter...their Bleef....which tends to get nasty. I mean you are questioning a deep want and desire for the furry bastard to be real of course it will turn into an argument. All the scientifical stuff I leave to those with higher credentials.

Take dermal ridges...I never really bought into them much....something seemed off about them. After having read much of what Tube has posted and now your stuff D.Yeti...that notion I had has been reinforced by actual testing....something I didn't have the time nor the acumen to do myself.

Thanks.
 
And your belief is somehow..............pleasant?

Yes Fudd...it is...I am perfectly OK with the fact that Hairy Bipeds of Unusual Size do NOT in fact inhabit the dark recesses of the fruited plain.

Would it be pretty darn cool if they did?? Certainly....but I'm doing just fine being 99.9% positive that they do not.

See the world is chock full of very REAL creatures that impress and amaze me to no end....why just the other day I was watching a show on Animal Planet with my kids....it showed some frog from the Northeast that actually froze over the winter than thawed itself out in spring...that's pretty cool if you ask me....but is there a website devoted to it...nope,the Ivory Billed Woodpecker neither...and this is a creature that they know exists.

Bottom line the creatures that we do know exist are interesing all on their own...I do not NEED a Bigfeetsus to exist....like Tru Bleever does.

Having said that though...the mystery behind this HOAX...is what I do find pretty interesting...in that regard...without Tru Bleever this thing would have died the death it deserved many years ago...so I guess I should thank you Fudd...oh and Wu....and I guess even Yeti Sweat.
 
Hey, I came back in to the discussions after combat with her before and she even had me looking for posts to back up her false claim about RayG!

Talk about a trout on the line being played by a pro.....

I must be some kind of special idiot.
 
...but is there a website devoted to it...nope,the Ivory Billed Woodpecker neither...and this is a creature that they know exists.

Whoops! Did you want a link to a website for Ivory Bill believers or one for skeptics? I can provide both. This bird is looking very much like the brand new Bigfoot.
 
Mad Hom wrote:
I prefer to get straight to the heart of the matter...their Bleef....which tends to get nasty.

Personally, I prefer to let someone bleev whatever they feel like bleeving.

I see absolutely NO reason (ZERO) to rant and rave at someone else for thinking whatever they want to think.

I can't understand why you keep railing against "bleevers", Mad Hom....and neither do I care to know.

When I ask a skeptic a question, it's only to get an answer. It doesn't matter to me WHAT the answer is....as long as it applies to the actual point of the question.

So...mister madman....go ahead and howl....have yourself a blast! :D
It's totally pointless and worthless.
 
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