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Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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Bottom line is this...the Con Man's Flick (CMF) is just so damn ambiguous and inconclusive either way IMO. This of course,contrary to what Bigfoot Fan thinks was not due to Roge making it this way on purpose...but mostly it was due to happenstance...but that's a different discussion.

Simply put the subject of the CMF is doing things that could easily be done by a schlep in a suit. I'll type that twice for Bigfoot Fan as I know it takes awhile to sink in...Simply put the subject of the CMF is doing things that easily could be done by a schlep in a suit.

It is not feeding,it is not killing any prey with the thigh bone of an elk,it's not giving birth,it's not mating...it's just walking...exactly like a person does. (compliant gait my aching arse)

Your demands that Anti Foot (Bob H) recreate the walk and arm swing exactly after 40 years screams of desperation. If he purposesfully altered his gait slightly resulting in the Patty stroll how on earth is he supposed to nail it exactly on the head some 40 years later huh? call that a rhetorical question

I've said this before...and I'm gonna say it again...if we were discussing sabretooth Tigers alive in the hills of Vermont...or Mammoths in South Dakota....and you guys had a film of such creatures...four leggededness would make it harder to hoax and as such I'd be alot more open to said film if it obviously depicted an animal doing animal things.

This is just NOT the case with the CMF. The fact that it is just strolling along makes it nigh impossible for me to buy into it at all...all the nifty gif animations and nutty kinematic discussions notwithstanding.

There is no way that anyone can convince me that Patty is not the Anti Foot or whoever else in a silly gorilla costume because she just is not doing anything to set herself apart from what a guy in a costume might look like.

It's really that simple....resume gif animation barrage...
 
If I didn't think BH was in the suit, I would not be using BH to prove it isn't a man in a suit. Seems a bit unfair.

"It can't be BH, he doesn't fit, see?"
"It can't be a man, BH doesn't fit, see?"

Somewhat circular.

I would take several different people and make comparisons to see if it could possibly be a person in a suit.
 
Diogenes said:
This just in:


Spoons leave dermal ridges ...

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=16440&view=findpost&p=369807


Here is some zoomed in detail ..

[qimg]http://www.intergate.com/~gregorygatz/images/wolfderm.gif[/qimg]

I'm sure it won't be long before we will be putting chefs in jail with forensic evidence just like this...
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Yes, Wolftrax has done two things very well here; one is good science, in that he replicated my experimental conditions and got virtually identical results. The second is that he has utilized graphics much better than I ever did, and was able to really highlight the "ridge flow pattern' of his test cast and the two purported Bigfoot casts. Here is Wolftrax test cast, which duplicates multiple features of CA-19 and CA-20.

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As an added bonus, I thought I would post a photo of an older test cast of mine that I don't think I ever publicized before. This was made in "calcined kaolin" which I got from Seattle Pottery Supply. Though small, it shows quite clearly the very classic feature of desiccation ridges, namely the furrow that abutts an arched band of ridges:

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Hey, ever considered the IM of these? They must be real animals, since their arms are too long...
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Sure... It would be very hard to make a costume with moving fingers and long arms...
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And as we all know, a Patty suit would be light years away from FX tech by the mid 60's...

I can imagine how to make similar stuff with a child's toy.

Images source:
http://www.gorillamen.com/

Now, what about the tracks?
 
SweatyYeti said:
Mad Hom wrote:

Said the madman.

Resume the analysis, and ignore him.
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Exactly Sweat Man...where is your big boy list of reliable evidence by the by??

Oh and by the way...analyze it all day...till the cow's come home even..it will never change the fact that neither you or I will ever be able to gleen anything at all useful from the CMF...we don't have the suit and you don't have the Bigfeetsus...that's just the facts Sweat Man....deny them if it makes you feel better I guess.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Now let us wander back to the claims that Wallace's feet are copied from actual bigfoot tracks, and that explains the resemblance....

Sounds even more hilarious now....

A review of this thread should be refreshing, funny, and enlightening:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43206
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From the thread..

LAL said:
Meet the Sasquatch pg. 141 in Meldrum's article Dermetoglyphics in Casts of Alleged North American Ape Footprints. The article doesn't seem to be online.

"Baird describes a method of enlarging a latex mold with kereosene. This process was was replicated in our lab with latex molds of human feet with clear ridge detail. It resulted in a uniform expansion of the mold and attempts to disportionately expand selected areas created deformation and warping of the mold. The process left the mold extremely brittle and difficult to handle without damaging it. More fundamentally, this method fails to address the distinctions of ridge flow patterns evident in the cast."

Krantz addressed this too:

"The near constancy of ridge spacing in primates rules out one method of faking. Latex molds of real skin, soaked in kerosene, will expand greatly; there may also be other methods of expanding molds. This procedure could produce gigantic skin patterns (in some respects), but the ridge spacing would also be expanded, and thus easily recognizable as abnormal."

http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/dermal.html


BTW, and not to get off topic, would you or Dana know where Murphy's information on the camera came from? We seem to have found a discrepancy ourselves. (PGF film sceptics take note.)
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Heh, heh .. Over a year later.. Sad that Meldrum hasn't acknowledged the now revealed problem with dermals and ridge flow patterns ...
 
kitakaze said:
Let's say this is out of the Q&A to help keep track. What events are you referring to?
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Skamania County, Washington, 1969, referred to often here.

I have no problem with someone being endeared to a romantic concept if they keep it in perspective as such, which I think Goodall does. I think it's important to note that in her NPR interview she is not specifically referring to bigfoot but rather an interest on the question of unknown hominid creatures throughout the world based on native traditions of them.
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Not quite. This is a trancript of the relevant portion:

"Dr. Goodall: As for the other, you're talking about a yeti or bigfoot or sasquatch.

Ira Flatow: Is that what he's talking about?

Dr. Goodall: Yes, it is and ...

Ira Flatow: Is that the message I'm missing here?

Dr. Goodall: I think that's the message you're missing and ...

Ira Flatow: (To the caller) Is that right?

Caller: Pretty much.

Ira Flatow: (Laughing) I'm out of the loop. Go ahead.

Dr. Goodall: Well now, you'll be amazed when I tell you that I'm sure that they exist.

Ira Flatow: You are?

Dr. Goodall: Yeah. I've talked to so many Native Americans who all describe the same sounds, two who have seen them. I've probably got about, oh, thirty books that have come from different parts of the world, from China from, from all over the place, and there was a little tiny snippet in the newspaper just last week which says that British scientists have found what they believed to be a yeti hair and that the scientists in the Natural History Museum in London couldn't identify it as any known animal.

Ira Flatow: Wow.

Dr. Goodall: That was just a wee bit in the newspaper and, obviously, we have to hear a little bit more about that.

Ira Flatow: Well, in this age of DNA, if you find a hair there might be some cells on it.

Dr. Goodall: Well, there will be and I'm sure that's what they've examined and they don't match up. That's what my little tiny snippet says. They don't match up with DNA cells from known animals, so -- apes.

Ira Flatow: Did you always have this belief that there., that they, that they existed?

Dr. Goodall: Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist. (Chuckles.)

Ira Flatow: (To the caller) Alright?

Caller: Thank you.

Ira Flatow: Thanks for calling. (To Goodall) Well, how do you go looking for them? I mean, people have been looking, right? It's not like, or has this just been, since we don't really believe they can exist, we really haven't really made a serious search.

Dr. Goodall: Well, there are people looking. There are very ardent groups in Russia, and they have published a whole lot of stuff about what they've seen. Of course, the big, the big criticism of all this is, "Where is the body?" You know, why isn't there a body? I can't answer that, and maybe they don't exist, but I want them to."

On the Willow Creek DVD she even speculates sasquatches may be far more intelligent than we think in referring to why there are no bodies. (She makes it clear she doesn't know.)

Excellent. I think it may prove a very enlightening exchange for everyone.
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I don't, but have at it.
 
On the Willow Creek DVD she even speculates sasquatches may be far more intelligent than we think in referring to why there are no bodies. (She makes it clear she doesn't know.)
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Of course she doesn't know...

The implication here is that they are burying their dead .. Of course that would raise the question of where are the graves ; or is she suggesting that they eat their own ? How would intelligience play into that...


The more obvious answer to Goodall's apparent willingness to entertain the idea of Bigfoot, is that she is just a nice person, humoring the footers ...
 
LAL said:
Skamania County, Washington, 1969, referred to often here.
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I must admit I'm still not sure what events you're referring to. I must have missed it somewhere.
LAL said:
Not quite. This is a trancript of the relevant portion:
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Thanks for posting the transcript. OK, so it's clear she's stating a belief not confined soley to bigfoot.
I don't, but have at it.
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Fair enough, maybe just for you and I. Did you miss the last Q&A post?
 
William Parcher said:
Very interesting, Lu. The fingers suddenly vanish. That's far more amazing than a simple finger flexing. How could BH ever do that trick?
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Good question; how would he? Actually, as you would know if you'd done a step through, many frames show motion blur. That's all that is.
 
LAL said:
Good question; how would he? Actually, as you would know if you'd done a step through, many frames show motion blur. That's all that is.
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What are you getting at? You posted a gif that (I thought) was supposed to show finger flex. Now you are talking about motion blur.
 
William Parcher said:
What are you getting at? You posted a gif that (I thought) was supposed to show finger flex. Now you are talking about motion blur.
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The fingers didn't disappear; they're faint. Whole frames are blurry.

I'm working on gifs from the non-digitalized version.
 
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