Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

[LAL]

A swimming compliant gait? What are you talking about? Patty mostly just appears to walk like a guy wearing clown feet on firm sand. I saw the clip of BH walking and he naturally walks just like Patty. His arms seem to swing disproportionately to his striding.

I thought you'd seen LMS. Check out the digitalization and Dr. Nelson's coments about the state of biomechanics in 1967. I don't have a BH gait analysis, but I think one would show big differences. And there's still the matter of proportions. BH has normal human proportions.

 

[LTC8K6]

You mean the hilarious part in LMS where each of Patty's skeletal feet does the twist? The part that doesn't seem to be in the PGF? That part?

 

[kitakaze]

Three things...First I suspect that people who think it's a a living breathing Bigfeetsus think so mostly because they really really really want Bigfeetsus to be real.

Y'know what? I don't.

LAL, do you mean you don't think people who believe in bigfoot do so out of desire for such a notion to be true or you yourself don't.

I do. Jane Goodall, too.

ETA: You're obviously addressing many points but I hope you didn't miss the Q&A invitation.

 

[Belz...]

Doesn't all belief work that way, Kitakaze ?

 

[kitakaze]

Doesn't all belief work that way, Kitakaze ?

I believe so. Then again, I wonder if most Christians would like to believe that all those who don't follow their teachings will spend an eternity in Hell. ...Oh right, that's why I try to stay out of the R&P.

 

[Correa Neto]

What do you make of this track?

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The print seems quite wide and too rectangular. It also seems quite flat, but this may be due to lightning conditions. Impression shape and sand accumulations between the toes might be an indication of toe movement. Overall impression shape may indicate the subject pressed or stomped the foot against the sand, but there’s evidence of movement, the sand "nappe" (I guess only DY will get a picture of what I'm talking about) that occupies roughly 2/3 of the print. I would guess it’s a fakery, specially due to the rectangular shape and the flat bottom. Toe shape also seems weird, too thin.

So, too many errors?

 

[William Parcher]

I thought you'd seen LMS. Check out the digitalization and Dr. Nelson's coments about the state of biomechanics in 1967. I don't have a BH gait analysis, but I think one would show big differences. And there's still the matter of proportions. BH has normal human proportions.

I don't trust any of the LMS "experts" who analyzed the film subject. Let me tell you about BH's gait... he walks like Patty. Of course BH has human proportions because he is a human. But what might happen to his proportions when he puts on a big furry costume that is supposed to look like a Bigfoot?

BH compared to Patty (with still frame from footage of BH walking naturally)

Another

 

[LAL]

OK, I'll go first:

Q: Do you believe without doubt in the existence of sasquatches?

I don't believe, I accept. Without doubt? I can doubt my own existence. Do I think there's enough evidence (even leaving out the "best" evidence) to indicate a high probability that they do exist?

Yes.

Why would it be impossible for them to exist?

 

[William Parcher]

Wolftrax (BFF) made a digital rendition of Patty. He thinks she looks like this...

 

[RayG]

The burden of proof is on the claimant.

Ummm... hall yeah!!!
If someone claims the PGF shows a real critter, then they need to prove it.
If someone claims a footprint was left by a bigfoot, they need to prove it.
If someone claims howls they recorded in the woods behind their house came from a bigfoot, they need to prove it.

You seeing a pattern yet LAL...

General Lee snuck an army of 70,000 through the Blue Ridge, to give you an idea.

And that means what, there's an army of bigfoot living there? Did any of those 70,000 men report a bigfoot sighting?

I do not think it's the same species all over the world. Where are you getting that?

Do you think there are multiple species of undiscovered, uncatalogued, unproven, hairy, bipedal, stinky, red-eyed, long-armed, short-legged, human-like, squatch critters living in North America?

You seem to think I'm emotionally wrapped up in this.

Some of us have seen enough of your emotional baggage and your appeals to pity, to move beyond thinking about it.

RayG

 

[LAL]

But if Davis finds something like finger-flexing it's all cool to use it in argument?

My .gif, admittedly not a good one, is my own. I don't use Davis. I'll try to do some captures off the non-LMS good clip and see if I can get better results. Finger movement, muscles, the bend in the foot have all been noted without any help from Davis.

 

[LAL]

You mean the hilarious part in LMS where each of Patty's skeletal feet does the twist? The part that doesn't seem to be in the PGF? That part?

The knees. This was noted before the digitalization.

 

[William Parcher]

Lu, when you do this, please use the entire frames and not just crops of the hands (or do both).

 

[LAL]

But what might happen to his proportions when he puts on a big furry costume that is supposed to look like a Bigfoot?

 

[LAL]

Lu, when you do this, please use the entire frames and not just crops of the hands (or do both).

Not possible given the size limitations for .gifs on this board.

 

[William Parcher]

Then please post the individual still frames that were used in the .gif you made/make.

Your image in post #1694 isn't working.

 

[kitakaze]

I don't believe, I accept. Without doubt? I can doubt my own existence. Do I think there's enough evidence (even leaving out the "best" evidence) to indicate a high probability that they do exist?

Yes.

Thanks, LAL. The simplicity part is something I think it would be best to stick to. I say that because your answer begs 3 questions.

OK, you accept sasquatches exist. Even leaving out the 'best' evidence, what evidence is there enough of to indicate a high probability of existence?

Why would it be impossible for them to exist?

I don't know as I'm not of that opinion.

 

[kitakaze]

Wolftrax (BFF) made a digital rendition of Patty. He thinks she looks like this...

I feel icky.

 

[William Parcher]

The BFF sometimes offers gems. I thank them for the link to this...

Strongbad describes the legend of "The Bear Holding a Shark". Watch for parallels to Bigfoot

 

[LAL]

LAL, do you mean you don't think people who believe in bigfoot do so out of desire for such a notion to be true or you yourself don't.

I was led to my conclusions by events that happened in 1969. If all else could be disproven I would still accept that at least two animals matching the descriptions of sasquatches moved to lower elevations that year and left considerable physical evidence of their presence.

I do. Jane Goodall, too.

She's gone far beyond that NPR interview. She was going to give the keynote address at the Willow Creek Symposium 2003, but had to return to Africa. Instead, she gave an interview where she gave her reasons for thinking as she does. She's no "romantic", even though she's described herself that way.

ETA: You're obviously addressing many points but I hope you didn't miss the Q&A invitation.

I didn't. I may have to filter some more noise and leave another board for awhile, but let's do it.