It ceased being an intelligent conversation once you brought up your poison food analogy. That analogy is a piss poor attempt to undermine the basic tenant of Skepticism...which is to question your world. There are though a multitude of things I don't question and take pretty much at face value...the fact that my food is not poisoned is one of those things...along with gravity,the rising and setting of the sun,death and taxes among other things...Bigfeetsus though is not one of those things....therefore your analogy pretty much stinks on ice.
Well, at least you got the point. I was afraid you'd miss it so I used a fairly absurd example, but there are many things we accept without "proof".
If you're like this in real life, you might have reason to be concerned about the food. If the Medicis were still around, you might not be.
Allow me to turn that around right backatcha Wu. If you are so willing to buy into any old Bigfeetsus story lying around..than why not Bob H's??
Have you read Roger Knights' thread on the
Making of Bigfoot? Long doesn't have a leg left to stand on. Roger even talked with Bob's witnesses.
My guess is because Joyce's story fits neatly into your worldview...and Bob H's disrupts it...he is after all the Anti Foot.
The Bluff Creek film has casts, two witnesses, independent verififation and photographic evidence taken the next day and Titmus' 10 consectutive casts taken nine days later as well as a minute of film showing a well-muscled figure with inhuman proportions and a "swimming" compliant gait. The film has been subjected to intense scrutiny and has held up for over thirty-nine years. The area had been "hot" in preceeding months. People with no connection to Roger Patterson had sightings and found tracks.
Bob Heironimus has produced what evidence, exactly?
Joyce just needs to say "I saw it" and "it looked like__________." and you are off and running with it.
I've noted her account is not unique. The most common kind of sighting, according to Green, is the "by or crossing a road" type. This may say something about Americans spending a lot of time in their cars.
Some accounts make me go "Oh, yeah, sure", but those mundane ones get my attention, as do the ones from wildlife biologists, a chief naturalist, a psychologist (with the ranger confirming others had reported seeing something unusual).........Have you ever talked with someone who's claimed a sighting? How did they seem to you?
Bob H on the other hand needs to produce the suit,have corroboratibing testimony from at least 7 people,signed in triplicate with clear photos of him donning said suit,among countless other things....If you were insinuating that I may be a hypocrite...well...........pot....meet kettle.
Why not? Extraordinary claims, you know. He said he wore his own clothes under the suit. Then how did that muscle definition happen? He didn't know where the film site was, he claimed Roger made the suit until Morris showed up, but he also claimed the "guy from Planet of the Apes" made it.
Bob Gimlin may have contradicted Patterson on a couple of points (and it's obvious from the film he was wrong about the hands hanging below the knees) but he hasn't contradicted himself.
The burden of proof is on the claimant.
The only thing that even remotely resembles anything anywhere near the ball bark of proof is the Con Man's Flick (CMF for now on) anything that happened before it is a campfire story...therefore irrelevant to the conversation.
Con man, huh. You have some evidence for that?
I have been interested in the Bigfeetsus phenomenon since the 70's when I was in school. Back than I was a Hook in Mouth Bleever just like you...than I grew up.
I was an adult when I first learned about this. I don't think you're just like me in any way. I certainly hope not.
Oh Wu...when will you and the rest of Bigfoot Nation realize that anything Bigfooty that happens outside of the PNW...is hurting your cause. The thing just cannot be everywhere and nowhere at once. There is NO animal of this things size that has the type of range that this Bigfeetsus of yours seems to have. The whole world (sans the poles) is impossible for a creature like this to have spread out to....when you people insist that upstate NY is in on the Bigfeetsus game you do nothing but hurt your cause....keep the big furry bastard where he belongs .....in the PNW...maybe than you'll make some headway.
I tended to dismiss anything outside the PNW, especially before I moved east, but in the last year I've learned there's plenty of habitat (over two million acres just in NC, not counting the swamps), so I'm not willing to ignore evidence that hurts my "cause".
Further, there's a corridor running from Georgia's Okeefenokee to Whitehall that's not unlike the one in the PNW that runs from northern California to coastal Alaska.
General Lee snuck an army of 70,000 through the Blue Ridge, to give you an idea. The Great Smokies host the largest bear population in the east (no, I've never seen one here) and mountain lions seem to be making a comeback, despite official denial.
I do not think it's the same species all over the world. Where are you getting that?
There's no question the best evidence is from the PNW, but that's where the best researchers were too. I don't think Big Cove, e.g., had a Bob Titmus 8-9 years ago.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if confirmation comes from the Southeast, but then we'd have to find out if it's the same species or not. The differences may be nothing but adaptations to climate, but there do seem to be some.
Fudd was fond of falling back on Gorillas and Pandas as well...this just in these animals went uncaptured for so long because of the time in history when they were being sought. The 1800's was a totally different ballgame than nowadays...I mean I could make a list of all the technical advancements since the Giant Panda or the Gorilla were captured...but I'm going to give you credit for being able to figure it out on your own. No way an animal the size of the Panda goes 60 years without being captured nowadays. One good unambiguous picture of a Giant Panda doing something that a human in suit couldn't do for proof and we'd have it in a bamboo cage inside of a week tops...maybe two.
Given funding, maybe.
We can get closer to the present with the Bili Apes. They were a native myth too.
Why am I the close minded one here...I think it is you who has closed your mind to the facts...and those facts are....there ain't no monkey...it's about as stone cold a lead pipe lock as you can get.
No one's claiming it's a monkey.
I went through a period of considerable doubt quite some time ago. Events since have changed my mind.
So very telling that statement.....in your mind is doesn't matter one way or the other...in fact better if the phenomenon lingers on ad nauseum for as long as you live...that way at least you'll still have a hobby huh?
No worries. I can always go back to Evolution vs. Creation boards. You seem to think I'm emotionally wrapped up in this. I'm just pointing out it's not my life's work.
I like having a mystery. I see no point in bagging one just to convince sceptics, but if collection of one or more specimens would lead to protection of habitat, it might be worth it.
The simple fact that you give Bigfeetsus as much possibility of existence as you do is more than enough to portray you as a nincompoop Wu...I'm just piling on.
You certainly seem to have enough s*** to pile on. Now, do you have any arguments?
