NIST engineer John Gross interview

[ConspiRaider]

I thought it first

I don't know about that, esteemed Doc.

Check out post #28.

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

I think we should name it. It is almost like a skin lesion, but that is too repulsive to most, so perhaps something like...

"Truther Mark" - The initial phrasing of a posting or argument that proposes innocence and benign engagement in debate, but is often a cloak for a more malignant intentions.

TAM

Again a close resemblance with online Holocaust deniers... "No, Im not neonazi, Im just really into all kinds of history and keen on everything being correct" soon turns into "Its the Zionists who declared war on Germany forcing poor Hitler to DEPORT them to the EAST and now all those JEWS just keep promoting the HOAX to save ISRAEL!"

/S

 

[kookbreaker]

One wonders if this is LDF's vaunted and hyped 'Invade JREF' plan with a variation they thought would be very, very clever.

 

[T.A.M.]

It does sound like something a bunch of highschool students would think of...

"Ok guys, rather than go in their all guns ablazing, lets pretend to be nice at first, then go to it.".

TAM

 

[Bobert]

Damn!!
I was really really hoping for that GMotives would utter the Troother statement that is eventually made before they bow out of an argument:

I OWNED YOU

 

[Free Thinkr]

Again a close resemblance with online Holocaust deniers... "No, Im not neonazi, Im just really into all kinds of history and keen on everything being correct" soon turns into "Its the Zionists who declared war on Germany forcing poor Hitler to DEPORT them to the EAST and now all those JEWS just keep promoting the HOAX to save ISRAEL!"

/S

It seems their respective propaganda-masters use the technique: "hey, you, you're being lied to!!11one" The propaganda constantly reinforces the notion that they're just being reasonable people wanting the real Truth, thereby fashioning a rude debate utensil for its adherents. It's pretty much the only trick they know, because its the only one the propaganda supplied. Thus, they all pretty much sound the same, regardless of the conspiracy.

 

[LashL]

One wonders if this is LDF's vaunted and hyped 'Invade JREF' plan with a variation they thought would be very, very clever.

If this is their "full frontal twoof assault", I am completely underwhelmed.

 

[hellaeon]

Wow that was great argument. Consider this im not hear to talk about what lead up to collaspe. I know you prob used this argument about thousand time and it makes you feel real smart doesnt it? But guess what im not hear to question that weaking of steal could of lead to collapse. Yes i believe that was possible. Im not questioning engineers who all agree. Im just talking about the actual collapse it self and why it has not been studied against proposed events that lead to collapse of towers. Yet again i will explain to you of course government "if" they did
do 9/11 they would of had explentation with scienific backing for how building gave out. Im afraid government isnt that stupid. But hell they think ur very nieve cause you believe what you are told hook line and sinker..

Goodaye GM,
1) whator whydo you need to know about the actual collapse?

2) Once the building is collapsing, what sort of investigation do you propose should then proceed?

3) Do you think there is a benefit to understanding why WTC piece 1/100000000 landed at position X?

4) How would this information make a difference to whether you thought the government did it or terrorists?

 

[GMotives]

Haha some others found this funny
z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3683
Really i could try and debate you, iv tried it thousand times. But narrowed minded people like ur selves, never seem to crasp that hey wait sec just maybe the government actually might have motive for attacks. You find any stupid reason to shut down legit questions being asked. Like how the building collapsed is not being studied, how on earth could you think that is not important? what because the government made assumptions that temperature where this hot blah blah and would of removed this much fire protection. Now how hell on earth could government know exact temperatures of fires? and what damage plane would of exactly done to fire shielding? its all speculation cause releasticly no one would know.. Same with molten steel? because it wasnt analyized exactly on day you find some stupid response (pure speculation) that is could be allunminum. When people like steven jones are far more qualified to say what it is then you are. There plenty of picture and video evidence of extreme temperature and molten metal..
But wait video evidence and picture arnt good enough are they because it cant give an exact answer? Yet you make the bold statment by watching towers fall clearly see that how it should of collapsed(even nist said that) so there is no need to study how building would behave during collapse.. Wait that speculation isnt it? You keep saying need scientific evidence to back our claims yet you provide none for us for these important questions? You know you cant explain it so you pull out insults, call us cooks, uneducated, and etc. All ur good at is rewording the offical reports..
Also how come none of you touch subject of drugs/ISI/Oil and etc if we are all so crazy how come alot people from government are coming forward? What are they anti american?
patriotsquestion911.com/
Also you the claim truth movement is so uneducated then why do people from scolars for truth and many others who are very well educated say it was inside job?

let me guess you never watch these video below have you? care to debunk?
Drug trade and 9/11 links
video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145&q=narcotics+detective
Not related 9/11 but good example drug trade in america
video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=8615500044492220653&q=The+MENA+Connection
press the truth
video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250&q=press+the+truth
9/11 mysteries
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en

AMERICA: Freedom To Fascism <--- not about 911 but suppose this bull **** too?
video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=Aaron+Russo

HERE IS LINK TO ALOT OTHER VIDEOS
belowgroundsurface.org/
Feel free watch. Suppose all of this dont mean anything? what is it all made up? just for laugh? You cant see any clear motive for bush and 9/11?
Seriously wake the ***** up...

Yes i know i said i was "netural" on the subject of 9/11, but that was so i wouldnt be rubbished the moment i said anything, but guess what i still was anyway. As soon as I came in these forums and declared myself as non 9/11 truth hater, not like the rest of you. You attempted to degrade me as much as possible but guess what no one really cares what you guys say on this forum, because in real life you prob the biggest bunch of cowards, wouldnt dare say boo.

 

[AZCat]

what because the government made assumptions that temperature where this hot blah blah and would of removed this much fire protection. Now how hell on earth could government know exact temperatures of fires? and what damage plane would of exactly done to fire shielding? its all speculation cause releasticly no one would know.. Same with molten steel? because it wasnt analyized exactly on day you find some stupid response (pure speculation) that is could be allunminum. When people like steven jones are far more qualified to say what it is then you are. There plenty of picture and video evidence of extreme temperature and molten metal..
But wait video evidence and picture arnt good enough are they because it cant give an exact answer? Yet you make the bold statment by watching towers fall clearly see that how it should of collapsed(even nist said that) so there is no need to study how building would behave during collapse.. Wait that speculation isnt it? You keep saying need scientific evidence to back our claims yet you provide none for us for these important questions? You know you cant explain it so you pull out insults, call us cooks, uneducated, and etc. All ur good at is rewording the offical reports..

Wow - it appears the truthers finally have a working version of A.L.I.C.E. It appears to still be "beta", though, unless the spelling and grammar mistakes are part of the programming (they make the post look more "truther").

 

[GMotives]

Wow - it appears the truthers finally have a working version of A.L.I.C.E. It appears to still be "beta", though, unless the spelling and grammar mistakes are part of the programming (they make the post look more "truther").

Haha there goes the insults again. Cant explain anything so you go for only thing you can! insult there grammer! ouch big man that really hurts. Gee never hear that from you guys before.. I thinks that ur best argument for whole 9/11 story. haha seriously get life dude. Your little comments dont hurt me, im 100% in real life you wouldnt dare say anything to me. Go the big man

 

[WildCat]

Haha

Stundie, is that you?

 

[AZCat]

Haha there goes the insults again. Cant explain anything so you go for only thing you can! insult there grammer! ouch big man that really hurts. Gee never hear that from you guys before.. I thinks that ur best argument for whole 9/11 story. haha seriously get life dude. You little comments dont hurt me, im 100% in real life you wouldnt dare say anything to me. Go the big man

The whole point of proper grammar and spelling is to make it easier to communicate with others. Your grammar and spelling are so bad that I can't tell what your point is. I don't know if you are rushing and not paying attention or if your actual skills are this bad, but trying to read (and respond) to your gibberish is as pointless as a conversation with A.L.I.C.E.

Work on this and maybe we can have a real conversation.

 

[GMotives]

Stundie, is that you?

**** you guys are good at debunking stuff. Dont worry everyone! all we need to do if we wanna debunk people is just insult their intellgence! They will leave then because we are shutting them down good! How do you become so well informed? Must be that well researched reports from our loving government. If i can quote that im smart man! woo hoo

 

[Firestone]

Come on, GMotives, stop the empty posturing and tell us what you believe about 9/11 and why.

You can do it in this thread: 9/11 Truthers - Post Your Conspiracy Theory Here, courtesy of WildCat.

Or you can do it in a new thread, perhaps using Orphia Nay's format outlined here.

Will you accept such a civil challenge?

 

[WildCat]

**** you guys are good at debunking stuff. Dont worry everyone! all we need to do if we wanna debunk people is just insult their intellgence! They will leave then because we are shutting them down good! How do you become so well informed? Must be that well researched reports from our loving government. If i can quote that im smart man! woo hoo

You're all over the place. Why don't you pick one aspect that you feel is your strongest point and debate that? I have no desire to play whack-a-mole w/ you.

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

Jumping from video to video... lets just pause on the first one you posted, shall we?

I'd like to ask you: Why do you think those two clever guys who asked the questions didn't let the NIST-representative see those clips that the viewer was shown just after the question was replied?

And why do they clip in but one (1) clip of witnesses claiming to having seen "molten steel" but added several that were besides the point (eg people saying the pile was still hot after up to six weeks)? If there were "several witnesses" they should have been able to produce more, wouldn't you think?

Does those two fireworkers (?) still maintain today that it was indeed "iron", not "metal" they saw? (The video appears to come from a news item from the period just after the 911 attack). And how do you explain that those two fireworkers could differentiate between molten iron and molten metal from just watching it?

Why do the movie-makers use the already debunked image of "Workers evidently peering into the hot "core" under the WTC rubble" taken from Steven Jones "report"? (More about that on pg 72 here. The original image, with correct colour-temperature, can be found as no 5575 here).

Why do the movie-makers use the already debunked images of torch-cut pillars using them as evidence as thermite-cuts? (More about that here and here.)

Also you the claim truth movement is so uneducated then why do people from scolars for truth and many others who are very well educated say it was inside job?

As I understand it, they also say the towers were brought down by Starwars laser beam. Do you support this?


Cheers,
SLOB

 

[I Am He]

GMotives, can you please explain something to me? You say all "We" have to do is insult their intelligence and they run away......Right?? First of all that must mean that you can not do that yourself.....correct?? Is that because you are just to dumb, or maybe it's that you do not have the brains to think for yourself. I put my money on both. And, speaking of intelligence, what ever happened to yours?? Oh, don't tell me. Let me guess, err.... your fellow woowoo's kept telling you that you are more intelligent then everyone else, and like the fool that you are you believed them. I do have a suggestion for you though, why don't you stop playing with toys and pick up a book, you know that thing that's made of paper and has words in them, and do some reading?? Maybe after you get past Dick and Jane you can start on something more substantial.

Now I'll sit back with my little granddaughter and have her interpret your unintelligent scribble.

:I see you're playing stupid again, looks like you're winning:

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

Its amazing, within a short timespan references to this small and rather unsignificant video is poppin' up all over the place. Either truthers are all telepatic, or they use the same small amount of webpages - so that when a video such as this is posted and thus visible on their tinfoil-radar, they all run at it like lemmings...

All being hit-and-run posters.

Cheers,
SLOB

 

[twinstead]

GRRRRRR! If one more SPITTLE-SPEWING IDIOT comes on this board and accuses me of blindly believing the official story because I can't think outside the box I'm going TO SCREAM!

Sorry. Ok. Got that off my chest. Carry on.