432 shows harmony of Sun, Moon, Earth Design

[Jimbo07]

I mean as said before they can only go out this far rather than to the Moon, but why 216,000 feet,

The only time the space shuttle will be at 66 km is during launch and re-entry (the subject of the article). For normal operations at the ISS, the mean orbit is approximately 350 km, or according to the article:

Orbiting 357 kilometers above Massachusetts in the United States, Robinson rode the station’s Canadarm 2 robot arm to two places where pieces of ceramic-coated gap filler fabric protruded from between Discovery’s heat-shield tiles. With gloved fingers, he gently tugged the protrusions until they came out.

“This particular subject is not well understood because nobody else flies in these machines,” ... “Nobody else flies mach 22 [22 times the speed of sound] at 216,000 feet [65.8 kilometers],” he added, “ ... the only data we’ve got comes from the shuttle and that’s all there is in the world.”

This is during re-entry when the proof of the gap filler would really have to be in the pudding. The reason for this particular statement is that Columbia started to break up around 40 miles... or 211,200 ft.

There's either a profound lack of reading comprehension going on here, or I'm going to join with the chorus calling Troll...

 

[bruto]

Bruto, you guysd are such extremists.

Liars don;t lie all the time, they would lose all cresibility, they wait til there is an advantage to their BOG LIE. How long have I been with you, and yet you don;t understand the simpliest of facts about human nature, and you want to believe every gullible lie for the goyum and yet reject truths that could help you. Surely your CONSPIRACY BOARD has some truths being talked about there. Surely.

Otherwise try Whatreallyhappenned.com Its rather worldly in some of its interpretations, but at least some very revealing truths are there besides we have to discern everything, no truth is handed to you on a platter, you have to SEEK to find. That's why I was able to find the correct distance to the Moon when you wanted a more precise measurement and why.

Amazing Amazing.... TYL

You, sir, are unspeakably arrogant.

But I do seek and discern, and that is why I find the warmed-over, half-digested contents of your platter so unappetizing.

So how far from the earth is the moon, now?

 

[Paul]

So call me a liar if you like,

If you insist.

but that's hardly discussing a topic,

Sorry, didn't realise you wanted to discuss anything.

besides Beleth, how can New Jerusalem have a wall around it it it has straight sides and is a cube. Its sides and WALLs should be 12,000 furlongs according to your architecture. NO Beleth, it has a wall and then a phi pyramid within.

Is it one of those infinite improbability walls?

All space encapsulates cubes, not sphers or any other geometric shape, because with cubes there is no unfilled space. New jerusalem includes its wall, and its phi pyramid as that projercts to all the Universe as mentioned

Do these other shapes not exist, or are they merely unencapsulated?

And the capstone is Jesus.

That must be a bit of a comedown; sun of god to architectural feature.

calling someone a liar and a idolator is a rather severe accussation so if wrong, well you know.

Is it bed without any supper?



bolding mine again

 

[wollery]

Umm, sorry David, but the NASA site made a typo.

The Earth - Moon distance, as has already been pointed out by several posters, is 240,000 miles, and the L1 Lagrangian is 84% of that distance from the Earth to the Moon (the Moon having 16% of the Earth's gravity), which corresponds to 201,600 miles. Of course this distance varies a bit, as the Earth - Moon distance varies, due to the fact that the Moon's orbit is elliptical, not circular.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Umm, sorry David, but the NASA site made a typo.

The Earth - Moon distance, as has already been pointed out by several posters, is 240,000 miles, and the L1 Lagrangian is 84% of that distance from the Earth to the Moon (the Moon having 16% of the Earth's gravity), which corresponds to 201,600 miles.

Doesn't the LaGrange point depend on orbital velocity also? I think what you've calculated is where the gravitational field would have zero accelaration if both bodies were standing still (which they wouldn't do for very long). I think the L1 point would be closer to Earth than your figure.

BTW Has DJJ actually cited a NASA site yet or is it still a second or third hand reference?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

No Gord, from Toronto, it is me versus your lying about me. I'm telling you to stop, and suggesting you not lie, and fraudently misquote me, by writing in your own words in my QUOTE BOX

This is against almost the rules of every discussionboard I have ever been on.

Don't do it again, as I would rather contiue to believe that what honest posters put in QUOTES here are actually the quotes of the one that wrote it. You do a great dis-service in your fradulent quoting, as readers may doubt what is in GREY. So apologise and move on.

Why do you think you are above the rules of common decency and respect and proper debate or discussion. you don't get points for FRAUD

I have asked you for evidence evidence of me doing any of the above and you have not provided any.

You have said I am lying and suggested that I have engaged in FRAUD.

Will please either supply such evidence or apologize to me?

I really don't care what your "beliefs" are but from the responses from others in this thread they don't seem be be gaining any credibity. I don't have any wish to shut you down as I find great amusement in what you have to say. As has been said many times on the sci.skeptic group on Newsnet about "reality challenged" posters -- "If we don't engage them here, they will be out bothering people in the real world".

 

[Foster Zygote]

I believe the quoted statement was about a particular point of speed and altitude during reentry, not orbit.

I agree. But Djj indicates that he has misinterpreted this quote as being the operational altitude of the shuttle in orbit. But this is a perfect example of the way he thinks. Any time he finds a number that he likes he tries to attribute some significance to it. Of course, he doesn't even need to find his magic numbers because he can round up or down anything remotely near the magic value and say "it's close enough". But where is the significance of the shuttle orbiting at 1/5280th the distance to the Earth/moon Lagrange point? And as Wollery and I have pointed out, neither of these values is correct anyway. It seems that any two or more metrics are suitable for a magical ratio. You could have inches to kilograms, miles to hours, liters to degrees C etc. I get the sense that Djj would argue it was proof of God if he took a drive and stopped about 40.9 miles from his house to pee at a rest stop.

 

[wollery]

Doesn't the LaGrange point depend on orbital velocity also? I think what you've calculated is where the gravitational field would have zero accelaration if both bodies were standing still (which they wouldn't do for very long). I think the L1 point would be closer to Earth than your figure.

BTW Has DJJ actually cited a NASA site yet or is it still a second or third hand reference?

The maths is pretty complex, not least because you're dealing with an elliptical orbit, and if you're going to do it properly you also need to take into account the Sun's gravitational influence. Most sites I've looked at give values between 199,000 and 202,000 miles, depending on what values they take, what sort of orbit the assume, and which method of calculation they use. The above value is a back of the envolope calculation of the instantaneous value for the zero-g point at mean Moon distance.

The main point is, it's a lot less than 216,000 miles.

 

[Paulhoff]

Oh, oh, you guys, (not DJJ of course), do know what makes the tides on the opposite side of the earth away from the moon and sun.

Paul

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Oh, oh, you guys, (not DJJ of course), do know what makes the tides on the opposite side of the earth away from the moon and sun.

Paul

Yes. But until you accept the ancient secret mysteries of Phi, I can't tell you.

 

[wollery]

Differential gravity acting on the water that makes up the oceans. The pull on the nearside of the Earth draws the water away from the Earth, whilst the lower gravitational influence on the far side means the Earth (which has a centre of mass nearer to the Moon) is pulled towards the Moon more strongly, leaving the water trailing (and thus bulging). The Earth rotates within the tidal bulges, which is what leads to the rise and fall of the tide levels. The Sun has an equivalent, but smaller, effect, which leads to spring tides at full and new Moon, and neap tides at half Moon.

 

[Paulhoff]

Differential gravity acting on the water that makes up the oceans. The pull on the nearside of the Earth draws the water away from the Earth, whilst the lower gravitational influence on the far side means the Earth (which has a centre of mass nearer to the Moon) is pulled towards the Moon more strongly, leaving the water trailing (and thus bulging). The Earth rotates within the tidal bulges, which is what leads to the rise and fall of the tide levels. The Sun has an equivalent, but smaller, effect, which leads to spring tides at full and new Moon, and neap tides at half Moon.

Also added to this is the motion of the earth and moon around a common center of gravity causing the water on the far side to be thrown out.

Paul

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Tides can be confusing can't they?

The Earth and it's oceans would be a sphere if there were no outside influence, agreed? Imagine then, putting the Moon where it is. The Earth is 8,000 miles across. That means the side of the Earth closer to the Moon is going to be "pulled on" harder than the part further away. So the side closest to the Moon is displaced towards the Moon. The center of the Earth is also displaced towards the Moon but a bit less. And the oceans on the far side from the Moon are pulled even less. This leads to stretching.

So when looking at a drawing of tides it seems counter intuitive that the Moon would raise tides on opposite sides of the Earth. But it's more accurate to think that the Earth is being pulled out from under the ocean on one side of the Earth.

ETA: I see I'm too slow today.

 

[wollery]

Also added to this is the motion of the earth and moon around a common center of gravity causing the water on the far side to be thrown out.

Paul

This effect does exist, but is minute compared to the gravitational pull of the Moon and Sun.

ETA Sorry, just to clarify, the barycentre of the Earth Moon system is well within the Earth, and it's orbital period is ~28 days, so the centripetal acceleration is very small.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Umm, sorry David, but the NASA site made a typo.

The Earth - Moon distance, as has already been pointed out by several posters, is 240,000 miles, and the L1 Lagrangian is 84% of that distance from the Earth to the Moon (the Moon having 16% of the Earth's gravity), which corresponds to 201,600 miles. Of course this distance varies a bit, as the Earth - Moon distance varies, due to the fact that the Moon's orbit is elliptical, not circular.

Darn Wolley, now you are saying NASA made a typo... and using fluctuation variation as I did before, and yet I got condemned for saying such.

Whatever, an amzingly FIND I saw was the fluctuation orbits of the earth and Moon as the Earth is cojoined to the MOON it seems. And I shant go further on that topic as it is part of the Sexual Mysteries, and the Earth is attracted to the SUN when the Moon is away from the earth. Wheres that graphic...... the perfect orbit of the Earth around the SUN does not exist as there is b*** center. You must know about it, as gravitational forces of the Earth and Moon with the Sun/Son make its pathway orbit a point outside their masses. Hmm maybe this is why there is that gravitational gap between the Earth and ther Moon exists. Just compare the masses of the Moon and earth, and then see if that ratio is the same ratio of 240,000 with 216,00 or vice versa with 26,000. Check it out and I will try to get that link for you, but I'm sure you must have studied it previously. The wobble pathway of the earth, YES, but the cojoined Earth Moon Masses together make a perfect circle... amazing, which means the future cojoining would be ........

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

The problem DJJ is that when you cited numbers they were so wrong they were outside of "fluctuation and variance". In simpler language, your numbers were never correct.

There are no perfect circles in evidence.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Mass of Moon to earth is ... Mass: 0.012 (Earth=1)

But 24,000/240,000 is 1 to 1o or .1 not .012, so there must be another reason... but it is interesting that 24,000 miles is one tenth of 240,000 miles. Maybe we can store that ionformation and it will be connected further later.

Masses have to be considered, and cojoined masses even more so.... even if there is distance between them , I would think. But you are the expert Wolley, go for it. Connect up the dots and put them on line on a web site, It might be truly inspiring.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

The problem DJJ is that when you cited numbers they were so wrong they were outside of "fluctuation and variance". In simpler language, your numbers were never correct.

There are no perfect circles in evidence.

Yuppy we must get to the perfect exact Platonic solids, that were hypothesised by Platon and yet just recently have all been found in real life, because real biology by DESIGN has to folow the laws of geometry and balance.

Maybe I shall have to start a thread on these Platonic solids to show more geometric truths.

And see above as I search again for that perfcet cicle via the bary center of the cojoined earth and Moon... and even give you a scripture that might be a little too graphic for the faint of heart concerning sowing in the Earth.

I love perfection and exactness when we finnally find it, as the Lord is always exact and balanced and harmonic. Thats what true scientist do they look for patterns and exactness as laws of the Creator are exact once we find the exact equation and equations.

for that is the point of http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/432KeyofStarofDavid.html

Once I get it proof read HERE and elsewhere...

 

[Timble]

Mass of Moon to earth is ... Mass: 0.012 (Earth=1)

But 24,000/240,000 is 1 to 1o or .1 not .012, so there must be another reason... but it is interesting that 24,000 miles is one tenth of 240,000 miles. Maybe we can store that ionformation and it will be connected further later.

You're making the mistake of taking rounded up (or down) mean values as exact values then wondering why you can't make the maths work.

Also it's not significant that it's a tenth, if it'd been a third, a quarter, a twenty-third, you'd have claimed that it had some meaning.

 

[Paulhoff]

Mass of Moon to earth is ... Mass: 0.012 (Earth=1)

But 24,000/240,000 is 1 to 1o or .1 not .012, so there must be another reason... but it is interesting that 24,000 miles is one tenth of 240,000 miles. Maybe we can store that ionformation and it will be connected further later.

Masses have to be considered, and cojoined masses even more so.... even if there is distance between them , I would think. But you are the expert Wolley, go for it. Connect up the dots and put them on line on a web site, It might be truly inspiring.

Talk about an over active (mind?) looking for patterns anywhere and everywhere, I can see DJJ now walking around in the desert looking for patterns in the stones laying around and given them some hidden meaning to a big plan of a so-called god. He is one big sick puppy and needs way more help then we can ever give him, anyone have some de-worming medicine.

Paul