Golden Section - Phi - Template of Creation

Sec... Want to copy that dumpling recipe.

DJJ, you're standing in the light and casting darkness everywhere - move over, please.

Aaah! That's better!
 
wollery said:
Well, since Chinese New Year is just around the corner I thought I'd give you all the recipe for a traditional dish for the event. JiaoZi are one of my favourite Chinese foods, but sadly I rarely get to eat them. Mainly because they're bloody fiddly and time consuming to make.

When done they should look something like this;

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I'm off to go and make a couple of hundred of these in about an hour...

I have no idea why people do this. Lots of people coming round so of course we'll make really fiddly food.
 
Wollery, I expected more from you than trying to wreck and degrade an important mathematical concept and truth. The only possible reason, I can figure out is that you in your supposed expertise never heard about it, never learned it, or maybe don't want others to understand it, as it would lessen their self esteem of you if they knew.

Come on Wollery, board rules are that posters post appropriately. Writing about a foolish recipe is just an attempt from you to degrade this thread.
 
marting said:
I remember a Martin Gardner SCIAM column that suggested the Golden Ratio was very close to the ratio of total height to bellybutton height. Now that would have been an interesting piece of ad hoc research at TAM.
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Yes, Marting, finnally a posting that makes sense, as you have at least accessed your memory and a TRUTH.

PHI or the Golden Section is the point of creation, a division of above and below as it is where we expand from. Half going to our upper bodies and half to our lower bodies. This making our belly button, place of creation and life giving blood from our mothers in the womb, our CENTER of GRAVITY, whereas our genitals are at the half way point and the point of nutrition or nipples at the 3/4 mark, Ha, although it descends with age

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Goldensection.html

And do the measurements on yourself for confirmation if you have the courage as Martin was right, because PHI came from Creation and was from the Creator.

Or measure someone with a more ideal body, someone from the opposite sex if you are so fortunate and the measurements are exciting and thrilling and confirming.

And then understand that the human form is not by chance or luck but divinely, phi ratiod, pentagonally ratioed to attract us, to make us mate and reproduce, to MULTIPLY.
 
If you'd ever bothered to respond to any of the criticism that have been raised about your site (other than the typos which were pointed out to you) then I might be willing to have a discussion with you. But you aren't here for discussion, you're here to preach. You ignore all criticisms, and only seem to take notice of positive comments, although those are so rare that I'm truly surprised that you've had anything to respond to at all. Your "scientific facts" are wrong, your maths is appalling (even worse, in fact, than your English), you fiddle your results to fit your conclusions, and you fail to even respond to honest criticism. You're arrogant, rude, dismissive, and apparently uninterested in actual debate. So what's the point in trying to address you in any meaningful way?

Start discussing instead of preaching and people may actually take you more seriously. Otherwise you'll just get kittens and recipes I'm afraid.
 
Roboramma said:
Hi David, can you tell us what role you think phi plays in the creation of matter?

Thanks.
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Thanks for an honest post and sincere one.. Roboramma, it gives me faith that there are sincere intellectually honest brethren HERE rather than the mockery and foolishness you must have seen above.

I certainly don;t know it all, but have pieced together a few of the components, and my journey into sacred mathematics was started by reading a strangely titled book. How to create your own Universe, by Michael Schneider... his spirituality is rather devoid but his math and biology and sacred geometry is classic, and he is easy to read, and doesn;t make typing errors like myself. Do try to read that excellent excellent book, and yet with great discernment because of its dubios man worshipping segments.

So back to your question. It has been shown that sub atomics go in and out of existence thru phi pathways, just like the galaxies swirl into being in phi spirals.... for phi is a pathway from a point outward, a multiplication or from matter inward to a point which can be invisable.

Its fractal always being representative of the whole, and always keeping the alignment of whatever is spinning inward or outward.

This inward spiral if going to the spirit invisable world from where all things were created needs to be phi fractal-able if there be such a word, because if it isn't it won;t be shareable and will disintegrate with friction and heat.

I like this part because I am a worshipper of love that is shareable (IE sex, union and multiplication for Eternity, eternity justmeaning where time no longer exists at speeds beyond time) And you know who created love...

Anyway only real love or pure emotion can be compressed

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/LoveisaWave.html

SEE Dan Winters site as well.

Oh well surely I digress, but back to PHI as it appears to be THE PATHWAY to creation in either the microcosm or macrocosm, because size doesn't matter with phi. Magnitudes don't matter, only the ratio, the pathway, as never belittle the day of smal things, for some of the greatest lessons can be learned or missed on the most seemingly mundane days. Whoops.

So Phi, or the Pentagon as it is phi based, and shows that if pointed upwards SPIRIT not matter is SUPREME as matter came from spirit, not the reverse.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/FaithHealing.html

And so stay with me HERE, Roboramma, because what Leonardo was showing in his esoteric drawing of the vitruvium was that man and a squared circle, are related intimately because tyhey both are phi templated., just like creation.

The solar system is phi oriented and placed.... just as seen with the galaxy swirls or spirals (SEE Music of the Spheres by Pythagorus). Its music because it makes things harmonic and orderly as all creation and matter fits tgoether by design.

hence eventually Robo, you will discover that the temple of the earth, relates to the temples of man as they by design of their architects are phi templated (if follwing the rules of pentagonal phi beauty) and of course we are which is why we are attracted to each other. Stars attracting stars literally and being compressed to multiply again.

That's a little sexual but UNION makes multiplication. reproduction and magnification is the name of the Game as we can recreat from the original CREATION if in tune with the Creator.

Anyway, Robo, I started sexual chemistry and the Periodic table and why geometrically each new element had to be harmonically geometrically balanced, but it not yet complete. I will do that next as we just posted it on our newsgroups til now.

So whether studying biology, physics or math or chemistry the knowledge of geometry or shapes definitely needs to be understood to understand harmony and balance of shape and electricity, as well as how this chemistry and biology of matter was created from the invisable realm of the EMF.

But just take it step by step precept by precept and connect up one thing at a time, which is why understanding the easy to comprehend GOLDEN SECTION is a great starting point. I mean if I can understand it then anyone can. Gp for it in honesty and humility because greater than we conceived it and the ultimate DESIGN.

Got to fly, and I do mean literally.
 
Wolley..

O.K thanks for admission that you are frustrated and just want to wreck this thread. I would have expected more from you. You have degraded yourself Bro. And chosen the low road.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Wolley..

O.K thanks for admission that you are frustrated and just want to wreck this thread. I would have expected more from you. You have degraded yourself Bro. And chosen the low road.
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That's right, it's my fault that you are unable, or unwilling to debate. Or did you not actually understand what I said?
 
Sorry, let me clarify, so that there is no misunderstanding.

I'm perfectly willing to have an open, honest debate with you, but that is impossible while you continue to preach and fail to respond to honest criticism.

You still haven't addressed the points I raised in the other thread, and you still fail to respond to the question of why your value of the Earth-Moon distance, which you say is divine knowledge, differs from the measured value. There were other points raised, such as the Moon not being exactly the same angular size as the Sun, hence the occurence of annular eclipses. When you respond to such criticisms and question (not just posting more links to your website, but actually addressing the points), then we can start to have a discussion. Until such time the vast majority of posters here will treat you with disdain, and either ignore you or make fun of you.
 
Oh yes the female body and all its beauties, I hope that is a diet Coke

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You'll find out why all architects learn it because it is the ratio of beauty, co-relating again to why our bodies are beautiful, especially those of the fairer sex, and yet the ratios are there in both.
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Paul

:) :) :)

I just know one of the women will get me back.
 
wollery said:
You still haven't addressed the points I raised in the other thread, and you still fail to respond to the question of why your value of the Earth-Moon distance, which you say is divine knowledge, differs from the measured value. There were other points raised, such as the Moon not being exactly the same angular size as the Sun, hence the occurence of annular eclipses. When you respond to such criticisms and question (not just posting more links to your website, but actually addressing the points), then we can start to have a discussion. Until such time the vast majority of posters here will treat you with disdain, and either ignore you or make fun of you.
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Wollery, it is simple: when scientific measurement disagrees with revealed truth, why do you insist that scientific measurement is the correct one? Rather, you should be investigating how it is that science got it so wrong!
 
Davidjayjordan said:
So back to your question. It has been shown that sub atomics go in and out of existence thru phi pathways, just like the galaxies swirl into being in phi spirals.... for phi is a pathway from a point outward, a multiplication or from matter inward to a point which can be invisable.
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Can we just examine this section? First, you say "it has been shown". Can you please point to the relevant experimental studies? Second, you mention "phi pathways". Could you please define this? If possible, please do it without linking to another site...I'm having a little trouble reading your reference material. Thanks.


Davidjayjordan said:
And Mercutio and ALL, you will notice on that website, at http://www.cojoweb.com/phi.html

They show the Tree of Life of the Kaballah, which Moses taught to the Sanhedrin of 70. And is now available to study for even non Jews, as it is the fractal on which matter is based. SEE posting on 432 thread.... and then below, the graphics..
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Bolding mine. This is another curiosity you've brought up in more than one thread now. You keep implying that Jews have some special knowledge. What makes you think so? And if that's the case, why hasn't anyone told me, as it so happens that I'm 100% Jewish and always have been, as have my parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc. Did I miss a secret meeting or something?
 
wollery said:
Sorry, let me clarify, so that there is no misunderstanding. (No Wolley I understood that you obviously wanted to wreck this thread by complaining bout the last one. And answers you didn't like. I don;t like repeating myself, and I am here to find out more connections and make corrections. Thanks to Crossbow and beleth for her suggestions, so that we might together figure out more and progress. I hate word games)

I'm perfectly willing to have an open, honest debate with you, but that is impossible while you continue to preach and fail to respond to honest criticism. (All are teachers and right intheir own minds, so accusing me of preaching apllies to all and yourself, as mentioned athiests have their own religion..... Just so drop the accussations and name calling and follish recipes and a debate can take place, get your emotions under control and understand that I or you can be wrong and there might be some truths involved and connections to the real world. This you have denied so far because you are hung up on one distance. Nowe that's insanity and a true excuse to go further as I explained )

You still haven't addressed the points I raised in the other thread, and you still fail to respond to the question of why your value of the Earth-Moon distance, which you say is divine knowledge, differs from the measured value. (Already explained that but you didn;t like my two or three explanations of 216, try a new one on the Beleth response as it is mentioned again... and try the other ten pages of 432, some of which are under construction because it is not one individual measurement that is important. It is the overall preDOMINACE of all measures and the overwhelming irrefutable evidences that finnally gets us to acknowledge a connection between created matter, and that seems to be 432, 216 144, 72... Simple math but you want to choke on Page ONE. Fine with me. I gave you the reasoning and you stopped. And then try to wreck this thread as well. ) There were other points raised, such as the Moon not being exactly the same angular size as the Sun, hence the occurence of annular eclipses. (Hmmm the sun doesn't have an exact surface Wolley it is a Gas ball and yet that circumference outer layer seeming surface does exactly match the MOONs during an eclipse.... not by chance but by design. have you never seen an eclipse, or pictures of an eclipse.. The radians are the same hence a blockage of the suns rays in a lunar eclipse, if I am not mistaken) When you respond to such criticisms and question -not just posting more links to your website, but actually addressing the points-, then we can start to have a discussion. Until such time the vast majority of posters here will treat you with disdain, and either ignore you or make fun of you.
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Wolley, I could sense that you have some knowledge so was rather shocked that you degraded yourself into follishness, so fine, discuss and I shall try to answer even though it will be one sided and you won;t be able to respond to my queries. Oh well, I am not here as a contest or for debating pride. I am HERE to teach what I know or understand , correct, and progress so that you all can proof read what I ahve written. But you are right I like to make fools of the fools. But it gets boring as they are so easy to counter.

But keep this thread about Golden section, rather than your questions about 432. It is more of a connective science whereas the Golden Section is a GIVEN and hardly debateable at ALL. hence leaving this thread to those that might want to advance knowledge and know about a basic mathematical concept that gets right to the roots of creation, matter, the invsiable and more.

Be civil and I will respond, answer my questions and I shall answer yours according to what I know.

But HERE this thread is about the GOLDEN SECTION and its amazing properties.

And by getting away from foolisnes you can teach others to reframe fromit as well and start to concentrate on learning and hopefully UNDERstanding. I hate foolishness and wasting time. Life is too short.
 
Fine.

You say on your webpage that the golden ratio governs everything from the microscopic to the macroscopic, and that galaxies follow this golden ratio.

In light of this, please explain the existence of barred spiral galaxies, eliptical galaxies, ring galaxies and dwarf irregular galaxies.
 
wollery said:
Fine.

You say on your webpage that the golden ratio governs everything from the microscopic to the macroscopic, and that galaxies follow this golden ratio.

In light of this, please explain the existence of barred spiral galaxies, eliptical galaxies, ring galaxies and dwarf irregular galaxies.
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Don't know, you are the expert in this field, so with time I would suspect you will figure it out if you search. But I assume you do know and admit that the PHI spiral is seen among either most or some galaxy spirals. true or false and do elaborate if you know or have an opinion. Thanks.

But then again, Wolley, you might look into nucleur physics and the atomic structure... for it parallels exactly the heavenly bodies. As above so below, size doesn;t matter for the ratios and pathways are what's important, and hence Wolley, you have a whole other area of study that might help you if you study atomic structure.

And interestingly, the mass in outer space equals the mass in inner space. the amount of mass in let's say our Solar System or Maybe its in all the Universe matches exactly with the amount of mass in matter and the vacuum of space that exists around a nucleus. Space and distances and seem to only have so much mass they can support or balance.

I can;t go much beyond that tid bit I researched long ago, but the microcosm is definitely matched by the macrocosm, or what you have truly found out Wolley will be parallled by micro-scientists.

For readers. Wolley is most likely referring to this posting...

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/PhiSpiralofCreation.html

Thers a few more hypers I could refer to, but maybe later, as we await Wolleys response and answer..
 
I think we might call this “mathiness.”

Seriously, Davidjayjordan, I sympathize with your wish to find “higher truths” in math, but I think you’d find ordinary, run-of-the-mill mathematics a thousand times more wonderful than anything dreamt of in the fevered imaginations of the spiritualists.

If you’re not familiar with the works of Ramanujan, for example, I highly recommend him. He has interesting things to say about phi, IIRC.

I can offer other recommended reading, if you’re interested. Number theory, set theory, even topology -- a dedicated novice could pick up on the basics, and it would blow their mind, guaranteed.
 
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