Need help with evidence of Official Claim

[beachnut]

You've proved nothing. Thanks for your stupid smart people answers.

Go watch LC videos; if you believe them you could be a CT nut case but you can save yourself; more education.

There is no official story; you have to research it yourself.

If you like LC, you can buy a video and be fooled by the liars in the truth movement.

Good luck

 

[Quad4_72]

I got no evidence. Some links to the report and the NIST thing. Thats OK, i'll finish the 911 commission report this weekend. Thanks for nothing.

OH, and I was called names.

Haha. He comes in here using the classic "Just asking questions" disguise that we have seen hundreds of times and expects to be taken seriously. You have been presented evidence. Now it is your job to either accept the evidence, or to simply dismiss it in pursuit of your own fantasy which is NOT substantiated by evidence. The choice is yours.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

All I can find are goofy things like a passport from one of the hijackers found in the rubble of WTC. . .

Sorry, but the passport was found before the collapse, not after.

. . .and Atta's suit-cases left behind holding his will and plans for the attack.

Not sure why this is suspicious. He didn't need them anymore and had no fear of being caught when someone inevitably found them.

Does the NIST report explain what happens to the towers AND building 7 after initial collapse? That would be proof that explosives weren't used.

How so? Even in controlled demolition there are no explosives "chasing" the collapse.

 

[jsiv]

Saying the 911 commission report alone answers ALL the questions is the same as saying "plants like Brawndo because it has electrolytes."

I still haven't figured out which specific questions it is you want answered.

 

[MaGZ]

The 9/11 Commission report has all you need to know. It's extensively footnoted. If that's not good enough for you nothing will be.

So you have no remaining questions.
Everything has been answered to your satisfaction.

 

[Loss Leader]

If you want to examine first-hand evidence yourself, the best internet resource is the Moussaoui trial exhibits. The government's case was quite extensive. Here's the link: http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html

Now, if that's not your real intention, I don't think you'll find what you're looking for here. The reason is that I believe what you're really looking for does not exist.

 

[The Kooger]

To be honest, there was a troll accusation in the SECOND REPLY to the OP.

I understand that we do deal with trolls and socks on a daily basis, but the hostility did begin to come rather quickly.

Have we become so jaded by the constant sparring that we are beginning to lose touch with our objectivity? I can understand it with the usual, and established cast of kooks, but if we start in on every new poster like that, it may be time to take a break for a day or two and get our thoughts in order.

Dude. Thank you for nailing it. That became my point after a few posts.

I'm a cocky a-hole, true. Childish, sure. Troofer? Now that depends.

Do I belong to the LC forums, sure. Why? Cause I had questions. Because I still think I see things in certain videos that I find odd.

Now, certain things don't fit for me. Bottom line.
I don't think "no planes" hit the towers.
I know a plane hit the pentagon.
I know a plane crashed in Nowhereville.
And for what I understand we did go to the moon but haven't gone back because it cost too damn much and the is no profit in moon dirt.

Watching you retards (LC vs. JREF'ers) is funny as hell but gets me nowhere. Thats right, I bust the stones on both sides.

So I asked a question to see where the normal responses might lead me and I start getting flamed. Same from Both sides. I think you're both blind.

I'm not saying that 911 is some hugh mystery set up and conspiracy, but I don't think everyone is squeeky clean either. I'm doing what everyone says to do. Researching it for myself. One example is:

Building 7. If you watch 9 or 10 videos of what a controlled demolition looks like, you can't with a straight face say that building 7 doesn't at least look like a controlled demolition. And I'm tired of people telling me that it doesn't look like one AT ALL. Of course it does. So if it does look like a CD, and I'm told it's not, I just want to know what really happened. And if five years later, noone can tell me how it happened, I guess I'm just supposed to say oh well.


I'm just glad the response time is so much quicker here and from more people, I'm going to like chatting here.

 

[maccy]

OK, I'll take your word that you aren't a truther and you're not playing games here. I humbly suggest that you read the commission report and at least the NIST FAQ and start a new thread with a question on a very specific area. Also that you stick to that subject as much as possible.

As far as WTC7 is concerned, the first draft of the final report from NIST should be out soon. I suggest it's worth waiting a few weeks before discussing it. There are plenty of other things to talk about in the meantime.

 

[The Kooger]

OK, I'll take your word that you aren't a truther and you're not playing games here. I humbly suggest that you read the commission report and at least the NIST FAQ and start a new thread with a question on a very specific area. Also that you stick to that subject as much as possible.

As far as WTC7 is concerned, the first draft of the final report from NIST should be out soon. I suggest it's worth waiting a few weeks before discussing it. There are plenty of other things to talk about in the meantime.

Thanks. Thats fair enough. And I do have specific questions I will post in time when I've researched for the answer myself as well.

 

[Loss Leader]

Building 7. If you watch 9 or 10 videos of what a controlled demolition looks like, you can't with a straight face say that building 7 doesn't at least look like a controlled demolition. And I'm tired of people telling me that it doesn't look like one AT ALL. Of course it does. So if it does look like a CD, and I'm told it's not, I just want to know what really happened. And if five years later, noone can tell me how it happened, I guess I'm just supposed to say oh well.

Kooger:

Just exactly how many ways do you think a building can fall down?

I mean, a building isn't a tree. Unless it's massively overdesigned and underweight, it can't fall over to the side. If it comes down, it's going to do so fast and messy.

Consider the fact that the New York Fire Department spent all day - something like seven hours - trying to keep Building 7 standing. Now, they aren't shills. They weren't paid off. They were hard working professionals who knew that hundreds of their bretheren had died that morning and who kept working.

None of them report seeing explosives. None of them report anything unusual. None of them have any doubts about the fact that the collapse was uncontrolled. And all of them got the hell out of the way when the Fire Chief decided to halt efforts to save the building.

How many ways can a building fall?

 

[babazaroni]

Building 7. If you watch 9 or 10 videos of what a controlled demolition looks like, you can't with a straight face say that building 7 doesn't at least look like a controlled demolition. And I'm tired of people telling me that it doesn't look like one AT ALL. Of course it does. So if it does look like a CD, and I'm told it's not, I just want to know what really happened. And if five years later, noone can tell me how it happened, I guess I'm just supposed to say oh well.

You do know what a real CD sounds like don't you?

Listen to these CD's:

 

[The Kooger]

Kooger:

Just exactly how many ways do you think a building can fall down?

I mean, a building isn't a tree. Unless it's massively overdesigned and underweight, it can't fall over to the side. If it comes down, it's going to do so fast and messy.

Consider the fact that the New York Fire Department spent all day - something like seven hours - trying to keep Building 7 standing. Now, they aren't shills. They weren't paid off. They were hard working professionals who knew that hundreds of their bretheren had died that morning and who kept working.

None of them report seeing explosives. None of them report anything unusual. None of them have any doubts about the fact that the collapse was uncontrolled. And all of them got the hell out of the way when the Fire Chief decided to halt efforts to save the building.

How many ways can a building fall?

I'll be brief with an answer to this in this thread and give more details in an appropriate thread concerning the topic.

1. Your questions make sense to you based on what you know. But not to me when I've seen plenty of pictures showing buildings fallen over to the side, intacked. I'm sure you've seen the same pics. There are plenty. I have not seen pictures of buildings that have fallen that are composed entirerly of ash and steal. Not being cocky, just haven't seen them. I actually haven't seen a single picture of a building that has fallen from someting other than explosives, which looks anything like the remains of building 7. Not saying a space beam did the job, just can't find simular evidence of modern buildings falling like that.

2. Be real. There are plenty of firefighters saying there were explosions and even interviews i've seen witnesses talking about those explosions. That doesn't mean I think the police and firefighters were paid. But I also have to take those witness statements into account as well.

3. How many ways can a building fall. 1 way, the way it ends up falling. We happen to see the way this one fell differently.

 

[332nd]

2. Be real. There are plenty of firefighters saying there were explosions and even interviews i've seen witnesses talking about those explosions. That doesn't mean I think the police and firefighters were paid. But I also have to take those witness statements into account as well.

No one is saying there were no explosions, just no explosives. At least none that one wouldn't find in any large building that was on fire.

 

[twinstead]

I'll be brief with an answer to this in this thread and give more details in an appropriate thread concerning the topic.

3. How many ways can a building fall. 1 way, the way it ends up falling. We happen to see the way this one fell differently.

Unless of course you are are an expert, just how many experts in how buildings fall have observed the collapses and come to the same conclusion as you?

 

[The Kooger]

You do know what a real CD sounds like don't you?

Listen to these CD's:

I agree those are loud. Given unlimited resourses, do you think someone could do it a LITTLE quieter?

I'm sure if I wanted to CD building 7, I would try a quieter way. And the question was just whether it could be done quieter given proper resourses.

 

[Arus808]

I agree those are loud. Given unlimited resourses, do you think someone could do it a LITTLE quieter?

Um no. its nearly impossible to "quiet" explosive meant to bring down buildings

I'm sure if I wanted to CD building 7, I would try a quieter way. And the question was just whether it could be done quieter given proper resourses.

the only quiet way to raze a building is by tethers (which is what "pull" is used in demolition) , by a dozen tractors (you can view this when you watch Extreme Makeover Home Edition on Sundays, they "pull" buildings quite often). That's the most quiet you can get, and its still freaking noisy.

 

[A W Smith]

the building falling on its side intact was a reinforced concrete grain elevator. It appears many times on conspiracy web sites. Another commonly used example on conspiracy "pancake" examples is a reinforced concrete parking deck and office building. I have yet to see any examples of a pure steel building collapse on any conspiracy web pages.

 

[The Kooger]

Unless of course you are are an expert, just how many experts in how buildings fall have observed the collapses and come to the same conclusion as you?

Expert this and expert that.

What conclusion, that building seven looks like a CD. Let me guess, it doesn't AT ALL look like a CD?

 

[twinstead]

I agree those are loud. Given unlimited resourses, do you think someone could do it a LITTLE quieter?

I'm sure if I wanted to CD building 7, I would try a quieter way. And the question was just whether it could be done quieter given proper resourses.

Now you have just entered the realm of submitting conjecture as proof. When faced with the fact that CD is LOUD, your response to why the WTC 'demoliton' wasn't loud is that somehow quieter demolitions were used.

Now you must show evidence that those quiet demolitions exist. It is how REAL investigations are handled. If you cant, you MUST question your theory.

 

[Oliver]

Expert this and expert that.

What conclusion, that building seven looks like a CD. Let me guess, it doesn't AT ALL look like a CD?

How does a CD looks like?

Don't you hear a lot of "drumroll"-like explosions? Do you
see a Penthouse crashing thru a damaged Building which
is on fire? Don't you see flashes?