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NO! Not the MIND PROBE!

FireGarden

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(With apologies for the bad sci-fi title)
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070205/full/070205-13.html

Just by looking at the pattern of firing in your brain, neuroscientists can tell whether you are thinking about moving your hand to the left or to the right. They can tell if you have seen something you didn't even know you saw, and, now it seems, they can tell which mathematical operation you secretly have in mind.

[...] Haynes and colleagues put three men and five women into a functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) scanner, and asked them to decide whether they would add or subtract a set of numbers, and to concentrate on that decision.

After a delay, two numbers appeared on the screen, and the volunteers performed the mental maths they had decided on. They then selected the correct answer from a list, revealing to the researchers which option they had chosen.

To see what was happening while volunteers were privately making their decision to add or subtract, Haynes' team looked at changes in oxygen in the blood across the brain. These data, picked up by the scanner, indicate changes in metabolism and so, in neural activity.

A computer program was then fed all these results, so that it could learn to distinguish the patterns of activity associated with a thought about addition from that for subtraction. When they tested the computer's abilities to predict the correct answer on a fresh set of data, the computer correctly determined what the volunteer was planning to do 75% of the time — quite a lot better than the 50% expected from random chance.

[...] As for the notion of making a really thorough mind-reading machine, distinguishing a thought from just two choices is very different from when you have many options, as is more often the case in real life. "If there were ten options, would our predictions be any better than chance?"

Todd Braver, a neuroscientist at Washington University in St Louis, Missouri, is more excited about the study's implications for understanding when we become conscious of the decisions we make. Haynes agrees: "The next step to take is to see whether we can read thoughts about intention before a person has even become conscious of them themselves."
 
It would be more surprising if we couldn't map the brains activity, and tell what was going on.
 
A computer program was then fed all these results, so that it could learn to distinguish the patterns of activity associated with a thought about addition from that for subtraction. When they tested the computer's abilities to predict the correct answer on a fresh set of data, the computer correctly determined what the volunteer was planning to do 75% of the time — quite a lot better than the 50% expected from random chance.

I wonder if it was a neural network they fed the data to? Wouldn't that be something... a neural net able to predict the output of another neural net just by watching its activity levels.

Now all we need is a neural net able to predict the output of an entire human brain, given its sensory inputs. Would such a network be conscious?
 
Strikes me as a threat to civil liberties waiting to happen
 
Strikes me as a threat to civil liberties waiting to happen

I suppose they might find a way of reading intention to lie. But they can't actually read thoughts..... yet!
 
maybe markets can.

Oh yes, the all powerful deity of The Market, all it's decisions are perfect. I'm pretty sure all that can say is that some people decided to buy some things.

As for a threat to civil liberties, how so? Only if someone is FORCED to go into a giant mind reader would that be the case, and I'm pretty sure that's not really a threat. Not like we can read minds from a distance or something...
 
Yeah, there's some very cool stuff you can do with brain scans now. The major barrier to actually reading minds is bascially just a problem of calibration. Effectively what this and other experiments have done is scan the brain when something known is being thought about and then match later scans of unknown thoughts. To read a random person's thoughts would require a consistent reaction in everyone's brain. While this may be possible (eventually) for some broad things such as emotions, it is unlikely to ever be able to actually read thoughts. When I think of a rabbit my brain does not do the same as anyone else's when they think of a rabbit, so looking at my brain will never let anyone know that I am thinking of one.
 
if it was compulsory you would largely agree it would be a violation of human rights, right?
 
BEIJING (Reuters) - Scientists in eastern China say they have succeeded in controlling the flight of pigeons with micro electrodes planted in their brains, state media reported on Tuesday.


Scientists at the Robot Engineering Technology Research Centre at Shandong University of Science and Technology said ther electrodes could command them to fly right or left or up or down, Xinhua news agency said.

"The implants stimulate different areas of the pigeon's brain according to signals sent by the scientists via computer, and force the bird to comply with their commands," Xinhua said

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070227/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_china_pigeon
 
NO! Not the MIND PROBE!

Better that than the other kind!!!

No argument there!


BEIJING (Reuters) - Scientists in eastern China say they have succeeded in controlling the flight of pigeons with micro electrodes planted in their brains, state media reported on Tuesday.

But do they know if the pigeons are going to add/subtract numbers?

http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=312452007

Mr Su and his colleagues, who Xinhua said had had similar success with mice in 2005, were improving the devices used in the experiment and hoped that the technology could be put into practical use in future.

The report did not specify what practical uses the scientists saw for the remote-controlled pigeons.

Oh no... Bird flu is mentioned in the comments.....
 

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