432 shows harmony of Sun, Moon, Earth Design

[sackett]

I begin to think that in David Jay we have evidence of honest-to-pete alien contact.

David, I'll take you to my leader if you want. I think you and he would find a lot in common.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Speaking of the moon, when NASA sent men to the moon, were they "in on the secret"? Did those scientists receive their education at the mysterious schools who know the "real truth"?

Sorry ladewig, only the goyum believe that NASA sent men to the moon in their infancy of technology. They are still no where near sending men past the Van Allen belt, even after all these years, and barely can send them up a few hundred miles and retrieve them without great difficulties.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/NoFootprintsontheMoon.html

Or you should be able to find proof of this lie told you by NASA for the sake of funding and for the sake of American patriotism during the Cold War and beyond on your conspiracy board HERE. But then again, I would think you are faraid to differ with the masses and what you are told to believe, so maybe the general consensus here is that you are all told to believe the same thing, and hence all obey and submit. There you go again, seeming to act like church people, but maybe some of you are courageous enough to see past the lies, taht are told by science and the military and the government. You just can;t be so naive and believeing, Think Ludewig, discern and be set free..

 

[Jimbo07]

I don't see it that way, DJJ doesn't have an opinion, his thinks he has the so-called TRUTH, poor man.

I was trying to be congenial. I wanted to deflect attention away from attacks on Djj and point out the potential harm to others... but meh.

 

[Jimbo07]

Sorry ladewig, only the goyum believe that NASA sent men to the moon in their infancy of technology. They are still no where near sending men past the Van Allen belt, even after all these years, and barely can send them up a few hundred miles and retrieve them without great difficulties.

Darn! I saw this coming and was going to mention it, but I got distracted. I guess I don't get the prize.

Now we have:
i) Creationism
ii) Numerology
iii) Da Vinci Code Support
iv) The 'wisdom' of the ancients
v) Moon shot denial

It's like a grab bag of conspiracy fiction!

(sorry for the double post)

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I don't see it that way, DJJ doesn't have an opinion, his thinks he has the so-called TRUTH, poor man.

Paul

Paul, I'm trying to teach you about Platonic solids and Pythagorus Music of the Spheres with simple harmonics of distances and yet most of you seem stuck on page one, beacuse you can;t think in three demensions let alone two.

So Paul let me give you a few more words from Plato, who was much wiser than yourself even though you think you know it all.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/AllOpinionsarenotequal.html

All Opinions aren't Equal[SIZE=-1]

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Plato was right when he said that there were four levels of intelligence. Firstly there are those with no opinions, almost total vacuums, who have never really thought about life and what's happening. Then there are those that have drawn up opinions and even theorized on other matters. The only problem being that they have never gone very far with their opinions and haven't based them on facts but on what their personal interests are, or on their feelings. So many times, someone's opinion is just that ….. as it isn't based on real principles and the real world. And consequently all opinions aren't equal. because no matter what are opinions are, they aren;t going to change truths that are independant of our thoughts about them.

For the third level is knowledge as Plato found out. Because in order to have reasonable opinions we have to base our opinions upon knowledge. We have to learn and study life, but knowledge itself is merely details and trivia that have to be formulated by real experiences. Knowledge is more like facts and figures, and isolated id-bits of information. But to get to the fourth and highest level called Wisdom, we have to know how to use the Knowledge we have accumulated.

Wisdom tells us when and where and how to apply the knowledge we have gained. It gives us discernment and down-to-earth practical advice for ourselves and others. It isn't pie in the sky, but WISDOM, here and now. Wisdom gives us the ability to make wise decisions, rather than choosing foolishly. It is not dependant on what others do, but on what we personally decide to do. It isn't superficial or short term but long term, weighing the consequences of our actions upon others and ourselves.

And where do we get wisdom, well in my opinion and from scriptures, Wisdom comes from the Lord because He is Wisdom, and His Holy Spirit speaks only His Wisdom (John 14)….. if we choose to listen. We might get it when young or old or at any time when we honestly try to find out what's happening in life. And it all starts with a Fear and respect for the Lord. For as it says in [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] So we have to seek to find.

Therefore if any miss this first step, it is much harder to get it later, because again wisdom is built on wisdom. Why because as the Prophet Isaiah said."[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isa. 28:10).
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And yet it doesn't have to take ages or much time at all to get wisdom, as the young can be wiser than the old. For "[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou (the Lord) ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger." (Psalm 8: 2)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] Why because they have simple faith and don't know it all and ask the Lord for wisdom. They fulfill James 1:5 "[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men (and women and children) liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] (or them or any).

So are all opinions the same and do they all carry the same weight … NO. The more our opinions coincide with the truths of the Lord and the real physical and spiritual world, the more our opinions are to be valued. The more our opinions are the same opinions as the Lord, the more powerful they are, and the more they will help us and others in the future.

In My Opinion

David Jay Jordan[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]Think Paul THINK, use discernment, figure out mysteries, then your opinions will match reality and they can be useful and POWERFUL rather than leaving you impotent...[/SIZE]

 

[Loss Leader]

Sorry ladewig, only the goyum believe that NASA sent men to the moon in their infancy of technology. They are still no where near sending men past the Van Allen belt, even after all these years, and barely can send them up a few hundred miles and retrieve them without great difficulties.

Holy crap!

Also, DJJ, please stop saying "goyum." First of all, you're spelling it wrong. It's "goyim." Second of all, the word means "non-Jews" and you are yourself a non-Jew. Third, the word has no negative connotation and you are implying one where none exists. Last, I am Jewish and I believe that we've been to the moon which shoots your whole "goyim" designation in the foot.

 

[Ladewig]

Sorry ladewig, only the goyum believe that NASA sent men to the moon in their infancy of technology.

Thanks for the apology. I was waiting for one.

I have accepted that I cannot get you to change your content errors, so I will instead try to get you to change your spelling errors. Goyim.

You just can;t be so naive and believeing, Think Ludewig,

So, can you ballpark a figure for the percent of the adult American population that is enlightened to the divinity of these numbers and facts?

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I have responded with sincerity. And you have continually failed to answer, or even acknowledge, my response, despite saying that you would. So to help you I'm reposting the entire post. It addresses serious errors given on your website.

As mentioned on my website.. the Earth is the Center of the Universe, for easy to understand reasons once you see Design. Its diameter, circumference, distances from Moon and Sun and who was born HERE makes it the headquarters of the Creator who created all.... But that will take more than a few seconds to figure out, as it takes some study.

But then most of you are stuck on Page one, because your minds are closed.

SEE red Light shift and the earth is the center of the Universe

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Theearthisthecenter.html

As for the collision courses of the Milkly way and our Solar System that is explainable again as in 2012 the Lord of the Universe will allow the changing of the guards, so the goyum can rule for their short period.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/2012StartofGreatTribulation.html

for again Woll, you have to admit that the jungle Nayans did not get their knowledge from themselves but from spiritual entities. Do the research and stop thinking modern man is so intelligent and to be praised and worshipped.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/MayanCultureand2012.html

 

[Paulhoff]

Paul, I'm trying to teach you about Platonic solids and Pythagorus Music of the Spheres with simple harmonics of distances and yet most of you seem stuck on page one, beacuse you can;t think in three demensions let alone two.[SIZE=-1]...[/SIZE]

Oh please, I have a tested IQ of over 140, oh please teach me oh wise one who doesn't know how to use a spell checker.

Paul



You are quoting lies as facts and not teaching anything.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Darn! I saw this coming and was going to mention it, but I got distracted. I guess I don't get the prize.

Now we have:
i) Creationism
ii) Numerology
iii) Da Vinci Code Support
iv) The 'wisdom' of the ancients
v) Moon shot denial

It's like a grab bag of conspiracy fiction!

(sorry for the double post)

No jimbo, it is connecting up the dots of truth that each of us can find out about rather than just believeing what we are told to believe. We have to be individuals and stand on our own in life and face our responsibilities and get serious about what is being forced upon us and what is happenning to others. Life isn;t a game nor a word game or a competition but it is suppose to be us, doing our best for others and even ourselves and getting beyond the superficial.

Its called integrative knowledge, because all truths have to CONNECT UP if they are truths. This is superstring theory, this is also encapsulated in the TOE, the theory of everything, for all forces are ONE at the highest energy levels...and that FORCE is called the Creator. Simple physics, simple integrative wisdom, once you get the hang of going DEEP, rather than being shallow and flippant.

Hope you make it.. but it doesn;t look good so far.

Oh well while there is life there is hope.

 

[Paulhoff]

Sorry ladewig, only the goyum believe that NASA sent men to the moon in their infancy of technology...

Oh, and why didn't the Russians jump all over that then, they would be the first to prove that it didn't happen, daaaaaaa.

Paul

 

[Ladewig]

Darn! I saw this coming and was going to mention it, but I got distracted. I guess I don't get the prize.

Now we have:
i) Creationism
ii) Numerology
iii) Da Vinci Code Support
iv) The 'wisdom' of the ancients
v) Moon shot denial

It's like a grab bag of conspiracy fiction!

You missed post #73 which included

iv) Shape-shifting reptilians

 

[Loss Leader]

No jimbo, it is connecting up the dots of truth that each of us can find out about rather than just believeing what we are told to believe.

I'm beginning to notice that every conspiracy theorist eventually claims to be "connecting the dots." I'm putting it on my Whack-Job Bingo Board right next to "Zionist bankers."

 

[Davidjayjordan]

One thing I've always wondered:

If the ancients had such amazingly insightful knowledge into the ways of God and the world, how come their lives sucked so much? No running water, no medical attention, slow transportation, exposure to the elements, poor transfer of information. They had to work pretty damn hard just to survive. For example, they never would have had the time to, say, write rambling, incoherent web pages lying about the distance from the earth to the moon.

Yeah, I'd sure have loved to live in a time when I lived to the ripe old age of 30 and considered some crappy temple to the pinnacle of modern architecture.

Every been to a modern city? Yeah.

Why cite the Egyptians as some kind of example of God-inspired people? They certainly weren't Christian. Heck, they had a whole slew of pagan gods.

The Egyptians at some points in their history were extremely God fearing, and they did possess angelic information and secrets. Who taught Pythagorus, the Egyptians, and who taught them.... you guessed it. There is nothing new under the SUN. For no society endures when their spiritual morality and connection to the Creator fails and they go on mere head mnowledge alone. SEE Pyramid Power by......

For Atlantis was a real place and they were definitely more advanced than our polluted disgusting cities, and yet they were judged for their arrogance in not acknowledging the wisdom giver. You can mock, but then again so did they before their fall, and they are no more...

For again, do the research as any real researcher will tell you that modern man can NOT do the rock work and make the structures they accomplished. And their precision and alignments were done with much greater accuracy that even ours can be done with today. Do the research...

As for calling me a liar, I wouldn't do that.... as that puts yourself at risk and would make you a liar rather than I.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/StolenInformation.html

 

[Darth Rotor]

Seconds were DEFINED that way, by HUMAN design, because people wanted to be able to divide up a day into short units with nice round numbers, and the people who did it used sexagesimal counting systems.

Oooh, baby, count dirty to me.

Sorry, I was channeling Anna Nicole Smith there for a moment. I'm out of the trance.

DR

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Please do take the time to look into his hyperlinks, before you jump to the conclusion that my question was sincere. In fact, it would behoove you to read quite a lot of what Iacchus wrote here, and how it was reacted to (by me, for example). His numerology, like yours, was hogwash. It began with flawed assumptions, shoehorned into faulty equations, subjected to torturous logic, resulting in conclusions that were known well before the initial assumptions were even made. "This is what I know to be true, now what numbers can I massage to get there from here?"

My linking you to his threads was the equivalent of the case study "the three Christs of Ypsilanti", in which three mental patients, each under the delusion that he was Christ, were placed together. I wanted to see how you reacted to another numerologist who claimed to see The Truth in Sacred Geometry. Would you denounce him as heretic? Would you embrace him as fellow? Would the forum implode under a critical mass of ignorance? It was an emperical question.

Mercutio, your above POST shows your classic labeling categorizing ERROR.

This is what the lazy do because if you can label; and categorise you don;t have to do the hard work of discerning truths, you just have to make little boxes and put whole areas of study into them so you can avoid thinking about such subjects. Its conveneient, superficial, and flippant but it can in a sense let you sleep better and more righteously in your own mind at night.

But let me suggest to you, that each and every subject has to be weighed and discerned without going to the extreme and negating everything with a ten second browse.

Its called logic and math. Logic deals with set theory, where you learn logically and rationally what ideals or truths or statistics very what conclusion, or what fits into what.

I mean GASP GULP Oh MY GOD, I have to admit that there are some church people that are good, and that it is only the dam church system that needs to go. I can;t go to the extreme and label them all as dangerous and devoid, for some of them shall break away from their bondages eventually and be real brethren...because they must have real hearts and souls and fiber right now. The same with atheists, all of them are not evil and non thinkers and rude and foolish. Some of them just haven;t connected the dots as of yet, and so I can't paint them ALL as errant and deficient. For the least shall and can become the greatest... we just don't know until the final curtain closes. So I have to watch that I use logic and math properly so as to always admit to myself that there is still hope for some athiests. Sure the majority won;t get liberated and freed mentally and every other way, but set theory and discernment sattes that some will make it. Some in set theory means a minumum of one... and so with life there is hope even if just for ONE.

Hence Mercutio, I don't like wordly numerology etc. it is basically a crock. But each article would have to be analysied for its separate merits, For believe it or not, all usually have some truths, and we can;t just label with truths lies because of the authors or even their past mistakes.

we have to judge everyone and every subject OBJECTIVELY rather than subjectively.

You see HERE, with group pressure, you are forced to post according to group principles or lack of them. Your peer pressure forces you into compliance and denial. Its almost impossible for you to agree with any truth whatsoever of mine, as that would put you at risk from the mob mentality. You have to negate all and everything to keep being accepted by your fellow negaters. You just can;t be objective under these conditions Mercutio, you need their support to much right NOW, and hence you become subjectibve rather than objective, and you go to the extreme in wanting to label huge areas of study by negating them in seconds.

It takes time an an honest heart to do the hard work of discernment. But that's your choice, no one can do it for you.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Actually dumb struck , you are dumb because you are willing it upon yourself, as atheists have to deny any truths because they are fearful of anything they would have to stand up for, so they try to pull down all truths, as that is their skeptical pride and self esteem.

But I thought dumb was good according to you.

We must be FOOLS for Christ, dumb enough to KNOW that all things are possible with HIM. David Jay Jordan

And btw:

I have never imputed to nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism. Albert Einstein

 

[Paulhoff]

Its called logic and math.

These are two things that you have shown that you haven't the slightest idea about. You cherry-pick your numbers until you find something that is remotely close to what you want, no matter if they are related or not. You show that you have no idea of the history of the world and or the universe. You still haven’t told me have fast the one pound of matter will go if given one pound of energy in percent of the speed of light in a vacuum.

Paul

 

[Davidjayjordan]

My post was with regard to a link that you seem reluctant to follow, and to your careless editing and sloppy approach to facts. Your response, aside from being a total non sequitur, is also very arrogant, assuming that my comments do not deserve to be addressed specifically.

You seem to be suggesting that you are a prophet of the lord. If this is so, the Lord deserves better craftsmanship. When Moses went up the mountain, he did not come down with fifty pages of incoherent scribblings. The first job of a prophet is to be understood and believed, a task you don't seem to take very seriously.

Excellent, excellent, bravo ... Bruto

That a boy, for even though you intended another slur and snide accussation against me, you hit on an amazing truth. Thanks, much appreciated

Moses had a coherant integrative knowledge taught to him...

The Lord spend 40 days teaching him his secrets, and was told to ONLY teach them to the seventy elders or Sannedrin. Surely you know this, don't you ?

The Lord taught Moses GEOMETRY, the geometry of His Creation via the Tree of LIFE

Its now still rather secretive, but you have access to this knowledge if you have some discernment and study a little, This although the select jews have trained teachers and spend decades in learning the Lord's GEOMETRY, DESIGN and pathways.

Again we are back to Mystery schools, but do the research for this is one of the reasons why these select jews have an intllectual advantage over the goyim (or goyum or goy are they dumb)

Moses taught only the seventy and was tiold to hide from these truths from the mere masses, as they would mis-use such sacred knowledge.

Thanks bruto for bringup up that truth... And before again howling mob, do the research, study before posting. Moses taught the seventy.. the Kabullah GEOMETRY of CREATION.

I stand vindicated by your attempted accussation. Thanks bruto,

 

[jond]

So where was Atlantis, anyway? We've got a handful of people claiming to be channeling Atlanteans (Ramtha and Drunvalo immediately leap to mind) but they can't tell us where it was? And yet Drunvalo is apparently combing the Egyptian records looking for information, but still can't find it? Surely if he's talking to Atlanteans, asking where it was as a means of providing EVIDENCE might not be unreasonable?

And, BTW, did you get clearance to play "My Heart will Go On" for unsuspecting visitors to your site?