The Bible is 100% true and to be read literally

ChristineR said:
Not necessarily. If the diameter were 9.7 (and the thing really was a perfect circle) the circumference would be 30.473448739820994413087640817811. To the nearest cubit that's 10 and 30.
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But accord to the link provided sphenisc....
sphenisc said:
http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/math.html

The idea that the lengths are "cubitised" (measured in quantums of whole cubits) in the Bible is pure nonsense. In fact we have seen other places in the Bible where more detailed measurements ("non-cubitised") are given. As an example, the passage below is part of the instructions for the construction of the Ark of the Covenant:

Exodus 25:17
Then you shall make a mercy seat of pure gold; two cubits and a half shall be its length, and a cubit and a half its width.
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God was in a hurry when he did the 30 cubit, 10 cubit thing. He was late for his tee time. Usually he's much more precise. Look at how he nailed the mass of a proton! A little off and we wouldn't be here discussing this.

Cut the guy some slack.
 
Tanstaafl said:
God was in a hurry when he did the 30 cubit, 10 cubit thing. He was late for his tee time. Usually he's much more precise. Look at how he nailed the mass of a proton! A little off and we wouldn't be here discussing this.

Cut the guy some slack.
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He waits 13.7 billions years for us to get here and he is in a hurry, what a child.

Paul

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Paulhoff said:
He waits 13.7 billions years for us to get here and he is in a hurry, what a child.

Paul

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Yeah, like you get your tax-return in months before the deadline :rolleyes: .

Come to think of it ... what's the deadline it's trying to make? Anything to do with that wager with Satan, I wonder?
 
Paulhoff said:
He waits 13.7 billions years for us to get here and he is in a hurry, what a child.

Paul

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So they build this supercomputer AI and start teaching it about human behaviour. It asks to observe the act of sexual congress, so they get a couple of lovers in who go at it on camera.

"So there you have it" the scientists say afterwards.

"OK. And where's the baby?"

"Oh, you have to wait nine months for that."

"So why were they in such a furious hurry at the end?"
 
CapelDodger said:
So they build this supercomputer AI and start teaching it about human behaviour. It asks to observe the act of sexual congress, so they get a couple of lovers in who go at it on camera.

"So there you have it" the scientists say afterwards.

"OK. And where's the baby?"

"Oh, you have to wait nine months for that."

"So why were they in such a furious hurry at the end?"
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Geee, that was old when I was a kid, back then I went a little like this,

The first manned Martian expedition landed on Mars, and to their amazement, they discovered that the planet was populated. The Martians were humanoid and not much different from their Neighbors on Earth.
The Expedition personnel -- 4 males and one female spent the first few days avidly discussing their various fields of expertise with their hosts. The Martians also showed great hospitality to their visitors, wined them and dined them, took them to the Mars bars. Eventually, of course, the subject of procreation was raised. The Martians took their guests deep into their underground complex, into a room with red paneling covered in dials, switches and other controls.
"Right," said one of the Martians, adjusting various controls. "I think we should make a boy who will grow up to be tall, fair, an engineer, a good sportsman with a good sense of humor but a bit shy".
He checked his settings, punched a blue button and a few seconds later a panel in the wall opened and a basket containing a Martian baby slid into view. Everyone, Martians and humans gathered around and gasped in wonder at the new born child. Then the Martians asked how this was accomplished on Earth.
"Well," said the Expedition Leader. "If Miss Johnson would care to assist in the demonstration, I should be only too pleased to show you how it is done". The lady astronaut was more than willing and, together, they stripped each other and proceeded to have sex. When they finished and were redressing one Martian raised a quizzical eyebrow and asked when the issue could be expected.
"Oh sorry," said the leader. "It takes nine months".
"Nine months!" exclaimed the Martian. "Well, why all the hurry at the end?"

Paul

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CapelDodger said:
Yeah, like you get your tax-return in months before the deadline :rolleyes: .

Come to think of it ... what's the deadline it's trying to make? Anything to do with that wager with Satan, I wonder?
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Fed tax deadline only counts if you own money to the Fed, If you don't you can send in your tax-return after the deadline, but if they own you money you will want to get in by that date so if they are late with your return you will get interest on that money.

Paul

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Since a cubit is the length of the forearm, I've always assumed the guy measuring the circumference simply had a longer arm than the kid measuring the diameter. Would a bunch of goatherds have standard measuring tools back in those days?
 
A cubit is YES 18 inches, or the length from tips to elbow, a span 9 inches, a foot 12 inches to correspond to our foot. these are called sacred measure, because they relate straight back to the size of the furlong... 660...the measure of a man and his ability using an ox to plow a field.... doing an acre in a day... of 12 hours.

This is why these measures were adopted because they mesh with the realities of larger heavenly bodies....Earth, Moon and Sun.

I can't use hyperlinks apparrently because I am a newbie until 15 posts.. but let me just copy and paste a segment of these biblical truths of the Designer.

So the arbitrary mile and the foot are not so arbitrary. But let’s prove their co-relations to the whole design of the Earth to prove even further mathematically that the mile is ‘sacred’ and ‘divinely created’.

So taking the measures of

9” = span 1 acre = 1/640 of a square mile
12” = foot = 43,560 square ‘
18” = cubit = 160 square rods
198” = pole = 16.5’ = 11 cubits = 10 sq. chains
7920” = furlong = 660’ = 1 sacred reed = 1/10th of a square furlong
63360” = mile = 5280’ = 8 furlongs
1 square mile = 64 square furlongs

Earth’s Diameter
7,920 miles = 63,360 furlongs

In terms of ratio’s that we can understand an INCH is to a Mile what a FURLONG is to the EARTH. In other words we know how long our digit length is and so we can understand how that relates to a mile, and similarly, we know how far a furlong is, if we have walked it enough, or plowed enough and so can comprehend how big the Earth itself is, as we are related to the Earth, because we have a Common Creator. Are you catching it ?

So no wonder the angel said that the furlong was “according to the measure of a man (the earth) that is, of the angel (heaven).


 
jsfisher said:
I realize that this is in line with a grammatical quibble, but

(x+dx) * (y+dy) = xy + xdy + ydx + dxdy,

not the ...+ 2dxdy +... shown.

On the other hand, if you switch from "absolute error" to "relative error", you get

(1+dx')x * (1+dy')y = (1 + dx' +dy' +dx'dy')xy

Now, if the relative error is "reasonably small" then the dx'dy' term is very, very small and can be ignored, in which case the relative error for a product is (approximately) equal to the sum of the relative errors.
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You're right...I can't think when typing.
 
Ladewig said:
But accord to the link provided sphenisc....
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Well, that is only accurate to .5 cubits, which for 3.2 cubits would still round down to 3, and the exact diameter 10.053096491487338363080458826494 would still round down to 10. Also, a half cubit is a higher proportion of 2.5 cubits than of 3 or 10 cubits.

But I take the point--the whole thing is sloppy by modern standards, and not what would be expected from someone taking dictation from a deity. But the literalists still have an out, that God was just rounding down for an uneducated audience.
 
merentha said:
Since a cubit is the length of the forearm, I've always assumed the guy measuring the circumference simply had a longer arm than the kid measuring the diameter. Would a bunch of goatherds have standard measuring tools back in those days?
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Maybe. Even though cubits are highly variable they did have measuring sticks and measuring ropes, so a respectable basin maker would not have made that mistake.

We don't know who made the measurements of course. :)
 
The Lord was the Creator of man, and made in Him in His Image....this is why we have such potennials for astronomical feats. We are PHi designed as Leonardo DaVinci showed. All the mystery schools knew this even though they have hidden it from modern so called intelligent man.

I have the hyperlinks but can;t post them until I reach 15 posts

Later ...
 
Davidjayjordan said:
The Lord was the Creator of man, and made in Him in His Image....this is why we have such potennials for astronomical feats. We are PHi designed as Leonardo DaVinci showed. All the mystery schools knew this even though they have hidden it from modern so called intelligent man.

I have the hyperlinks but can;t post them until I reach 15 posts

Later ...
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Oh, I'm just shaking with anticipation....
 
Davidjayjordan said:
A cubit is YES 18 inches, or the length from tips to elbow, a span 9 inches, a foot 12 inches to correspond to our foot.
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Well, my span isn't 9 inches and my foot isn't 12 inches.


these are called sacred measure, because they relate straight back to the size of the furlong... 660...
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Only if you think a relationship of 7920 to 660 is special.


the measure of a man and his ability using an ox to plow a field.... doing an acre in a day... of 12 hours.
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The derivation of the acre is from the area a man can plough in one day with one ox, the ploughing man came first, not the unit.


This is why these measures were adopted because they mesh with the realities of larger heavenly bodies....Earth, Moon and Sun.
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You can divide any measurement into any other appropriate measurement, it doesn't make them sacred.


these biblical truths of the Designer.
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That is one really desperate 'proof'.


So the arbitrary mile and the foot are not so arbitrary.
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Yes they are.


But let’s prove their co-relations to the whole design of the Earth to prove even further mathematically that the mile is ‘sacred’ and ‘divinely created’.
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Go on then.


So taking the measures of
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9” = span
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Which we have already discovered is an arbitrary value.
12” = foot = 43,560 square
18” = cubit = 160 square rods
198” = pole = 16.5’ = 11 cubits = 10 sq. chains
7920” = furlong = 660’ = 1 sacred reed = 1/10th of a square furlong‘
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Length doesn't equal area.
Earth’s Diameter
7,920 miles = 63,360 furlongs
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Using your single sourced approach I found a diameter of 7926.41 miles at the equator which would give 63411.28 furlongs.


similarly, we know how far a furlong is, if we have walked it enough, or plowed enough and so can comprehend how big the Earth itself is,
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So you can comprehend a multiple of over 63000 of any large measurement, easily?


as we are related to the Earth, because we have a Common Creator. Are you catching it ?
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I know what you think you're saying, it is however, merely an opinion.


So no wonder the angel said that the furlong was “according to the measure of a man (the earth) that is, of the angel (heaven).
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That doesn't make sense; a man does not imply the earth.
 
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