The Bible is 100% true and to be read literally

fowlsound said:
Tell you what. I happen to be heading past the Saint Paul library today. I will stop and see if I can locate either editions or anything even closely resembling them and then I will scan the pages I find and post them here.

But, like the deathbed recantation myth, I tend to agree with you. I think this intro is completely a myth. Even if the authors mentioned wrote something for their introductions, I doubt anything taken would be in context anyway.
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Well, that would settle it. I think what we do know already with reasonable confidence is that (1) the two Everyman Library introductions do exist and were penned by Keith and Thompson respectively and (2) Thompson's words, even set in the context of the entire essay, were sufficiently unfavorable regarding the provenness or the provability of Darwinian evolution to inspire an anti-evolution group to republish the essay in the late Sixties. I've located multiple independent (and not anti-evolution) bibliographical records supporting the foregoing, but without having been able to read either preface.

Bear copyright considerations in mind if you find the thing. Good luck in the library.
 
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

O the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! "For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?" "Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?" For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory for ever. Amen. (Rom. 11:33-36)

http://www.ldolphin.org/creationphysics.html

Look at the positive.
I would rather believe the positive.
 
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the MARQUIS. For as Dennis Hopper is higher than a kite, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

See, I can play argument by vapid statement, too.
 
It's not an argument.
Ordinarily science is limited to talking about the physical world, but the real world is physical-plus-spiritual integrated together. Science is built on physical observations made with the five senses and related sensing instruments. Our observations of the physical are sorted and categorized so as to form rational, understandable patterns from which we infer laws and theories. As discussed elsewhere, we assume in science that the universe is rational and orderly, and we prefer simple "elegant" explanations to complex theories. The latter is actually an argument from aesthetics! We actually have much additional information about the universe which has been given to us by revelation from God. This revealed information tells us a lot about the spiritual realm which we would not have any way of knowing about from observations of the physical world only.

http://www.ldolphin.org/creationphysics.html

This requires faith so read the other side of the coin.
 
edge said:
We actually have much additional information about the universe which has been given to us by revelation from God. This revealed information tells us a lot about the spiritual realm which we would not have any way of knowing about from observations of the physical world only.
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Give me some factual information which has been obtained through divine revelation and not empirical study.
 
edge said:
We actually have much additional information about the universe which has been given to us by revelation from God. This revealed information tells us a lot about the spiritual realm which we would not have any way of knowing about from observations of the physical world only.
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Sorry, no evidence for this and so no reason to believe it. More reason to believe it's just made up.
 
Peter says,

First of all you must understand this, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own passions and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things have continued as they were from the beginning of creation." They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water, through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up [reserved] for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements (stoicheia) will be dissolved (luo) with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, [unloosed] what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire! But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. (2 Peter 3:3-14)

Peter begins by talking about the terrible disaster of the Flood but then speaks of a future judgment of the earth by what appears to be nuclear fires from within every atom.

Barry Setterfield suggests constant energy from the vacuum flows into energy atom I would surmise that is a manifestation of God's sustaining power input coming, as it were, "from the other side of the vacuum." In Colossians Chapter One we are shown a picture of the Son of God as upholding the universe moment by moment. The work of creation by God occupied just six days, after which God stopped creating. But He went on to sustain the universe. Colossians One and Hebrews One give reason to suppose that the moment-by-moment sustaining of the cosmos involves the input of both force and energy from outside the system, ie., from the spiritual realm in which the material worlds is immersed. The force and energy input would be intelligently applied.

Read the links.
 
edge said:
Barry Setterfield suggests constant energy from the vacuum flows into energy atom I would surmise that is a manifestation of God's sustaining power input coming, as it were, "from the other side of the vacuum."
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I would surmise it is faerie semen. What makes your silly ideas more likely than mine?
 
CynicalSkeptic said:
Nah, the Devil's greatest lie was to convince man that God wrote the bible, when actually the devil did.
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I'm sure that he had a hand in messing it up but your missing the real information that's still in there.
I would have to say that he made an attempt at editing it.

Then you should reconsider.
 
So whichever parts of the bible you don't like, you can just say "that's the part that the devil messed up"?
 
Tanstaafl said:
So whichever parts of the bible you don't like, you can just say "that's the part that the devil messed up"?
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It's obvious that both sides are right in the arguments presented here.
The advantage to a believer is the testing per say of what is still viable, like does prayer work for a believer.
Skeptics don’t have that advantage or to recognize a miracle, as a believer when they are given to you [ an answer for prayers] which are then recognized as truth of the word.
 
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