The Bible is 100% true and to be read literally

Upchurch said:
I find it strange that you find it difficult to swallow that the world population descended from nonliving matter, since this is precisely what the Bible describes when God constructed Adam from the dirt. I think what you're trying to say is that you have a hard time swallowing the process happening without magic.
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God, not restrained by his creation, acted upon it, and breathed life into the nonliving. God yes, magic no.
 
Actually, regarding my education, I know what we are all taught in school, and learned it. I am one of those who did accept evolution and later on, though a journey I won't bore you with, found some major questions answered. In short I came to believe there is more evidence for the Bible's version of how the world was put together. I know that sounds crazy, especially since I believed the other way for so long... If I do have on blinders, I don't mind being chanllenged about it.
 
2LifeGuy said:
God, not restrained by his creation, acted upon it, and breathed life into the nonliving. God yes, magic no.
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And that is easier to swallow?

Sure sounds like magic to me - since the implication is that such a feat would be impossible otherwise.

Of course I still don't even understand what people mean by 'non-living matter'.
Matter is always non-living - only whole matter/energy systems can be considered 'alive', not the basic components of it.
 
grayman said:
You mean: mythology yes, magic no.
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Well, actually, mythology (and I do enjoy Homer) has a lot to do with things obviously made of myth. However, the design required to make a system that utilizes the energy of the sun, put requires pollination to replicate has to do with an intelligence that goes beyond anything yet available to us.
 
2LifeGuy said:
Actually, regarding my education, I know what we are all taught in school, and learned it. I am one of those who did accept evolution and later on, though a journey I won't bore you with, found some major questions answered.
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I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people who "accept" evolution don't really understand it. The most common error is in thinking that evolutionary change is random, when in fact it is random mutation directed by environmental pressures in a decidedly non-random manner.

Could it be that you found the Bible's version more likely because it was compared to an incomplete understanding of the science of evolution?
 
However, the design required to make a system that utilizes the energy of the sun, put requires pollination to replicate has to do with an intelligence that goes beyond anything yet available to us.
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It is an illusion of design. That is why evolutionary theory is important - it explains to us how such systems can occur without the need for an intelligent agent.
 
2LifeGuy said:
Well, actually, mythology (and I do enjoy Homer) has a lot to do with things obviously made of myth. However, the design required to make a system that utilizes the energy of the sun, put requires pollination to replicate has to do with an intelligence that goes beyond anything yet available to us.
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Perhaps, but the mechanism is not beyond our understanding.
 
kmortis said:
Beerina,
It doesn't really matter all that much where Cain got his wife, or any of that. According to the Bible, all humans are descended from Noah.

So...where'd Shem, Japeth and Ham get wives? Was Mrs. Noah called in for triple duty? Did they have unnamed sisters? Or, could it be that not all of mankind was killed off?

It would appear that for a book that's supposed to be the Complete and Inerrant Literal Word of Godtm it sure does leave a lot out.
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Genesis 7:13
"On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark."

2LifeGuy said:
God yes, magic no.
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What's the difference? (Honest question, no sarcasm intended.)
 
2LifeGuy said:
Well, actually, mythology (and I do enjoy Homer) has a lot to do with things obviously made of myth. However, the design required to make a system that utilizes the energy of the sun, put requires pollination to replicate has to do with an intelligence that goes beyond anything yet available to us.
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Is this what you are saying?:

1. I don't understand it

2. Science has yet to explain it

3. Therefore, God (or intelligent designer) must have created it.
 
2LifeGuy said:
Well, actually, mythology (and I do enjoy Homer) has a lot to do with things obviously made of myth. However, the design required to make a system that utilizes the energy of the sun, put requires pollination to replicate has to do with an intelligence that goes beyond anything yet available to us.
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Then explain my cancer.
 
aggle-rithm said:
I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people who "accept" evolution don't really understand it. The most common error is in thinking that evolutionary change is random, when in fact it is random mutation directed by environmental pressures in a decidedly non-random manner.
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The text books I studies at length (years ago!) showed examples of mutation, and mentioned what you have above. But they always pictured the "negative" or harmful mutations...changed in creatures that removed genetic information or scrambled it. I once read the reason why they never showed pictures of positive or helpful mutations...mutations that actually added new features. When I read that reason, it steered me more toward the account of origins in the Bible.
 
2LifeGuy said:
The text books I studies at length (years ago!) showed examples of mutation, and mentioned what you have above. But they always pictured the "negative" or harmful mutations...changed in creatures that removed genetic information or scrambled it. I once read the reason why they never showed pictures of positive or helpful mutations...mutations that actually added new features. When I read that reason, it steered me more toward the account of origins in the Bible.
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What did you read that did that?
 
2LifeGuy said:
The text books I studies at length (years ago!) showed examples of mutation, and mentioned what you have above. But they always pictured the "negative" or harmful mutations...changed in creatures that removed genetic information or scrambled it. I once read the reason why they never showed pictures of positive or helpful mutations...mutations that actually added new features. When I read that reason, it steered me more toward the account of origins in the Bible.
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Naturally, there are going to be more neutral and negative mutations than positive ones, as predicted by the second law of thermodynamics. However, the neutral and negative mutations do not drive evolution. Only the more rare positive ones do.

If you give a population millions of years to mutate, there are going to be some significant positive mutations in that time period. There will be many more negative ones, but these will not show up in the gene pool.
 
Katana said:
What did you read that did that?
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More poignantly: Explain why an intelligent designer would design a system that does not allow for positive mutation?

(But yes, wherever he/she read that is an interesting question too. I'd bet a creationist text.)
 
cyborg said:
It is an illusion of design. That is why evolutionary theory is important - it explains to us how such systems can occur without the need for an intelligent agent.
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My point is that evolution does not explain how chemical reactions can form themselves spontaneously into the types of "miniature factories" that we observe in microscopic systems. We can explain, scientifically, how chemical reactions work, but not how these systems (with all interrelating components in place) were created--surely not step-by-step.

Take away one component, and the whole thing breaks down. A designer, can make an airplane fly. We could never gain an understanding of how the plane was created by studying its individual parts.
 
2LifeGuy said:
My point is that evolution does not explain how chemical reactions can form themselves spontaneously into the types of "miniature factories" that we observe in microscopic systems. We can explain, scientifically, how chemical reactions work, but not how these systems (with all interrelating components in place) were created--surely not step-by-step.

Take away one component, and the whole thing breaks down. A designer, can make an airplane fly. We could never gain an understanding of how the plane was created by studying its individual parts.
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Yes, you very easily can understand how a plane is created by studying individual parts.

But the overall message I see here from you is "I don't understand it. God did it."
 
It's funny that we had thread discussing evolution that turned to debunking Genesis. We then started a thread debunking Genesis that has turned to discussing evolution.
 
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