"Evolution isn't science"

[jesus_freak]

Did not Abraham asked to sacrifice his son to complete a deal with god.

Im not sure what this means but Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son yes! but then told not to, you know kinda like a test of faith.

 

[jesus_freak]

Here is some more proof of a Biblical flood. Enjoy!
http://www.lighthouseupc.org/flood.html

 

[SimonD]

Im not sure what this means but Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son yes! but then told not to, you know kinda like a test of faith.

I used a jewish reference because I knew you would be familiar with this story. I also made "asked" highlighted as I knew that you would bring that up. You just can't see the big picture.

You missed the point or you choose to ignore it (again)

Tests of faith or as common as grass when it comes to religious storys - all faiths - all cultures.

 

[jesus_freak]

1) How did the eye evolve?
2) How did our hearts evolve?
3) How about our lungs?
4) What evolved first our eye or the optic nerves or the brain to process the information?
5) what evolved first the skelital, muscular, nervous, respritory, digestive or digestive system?

 

[kmortis]

Personally, I think 623 is a perfect place to interject with...

 

[ChristineR]

Here is some more proof of a Biblical flood. Enjoy!
http://www.lighthouseupc.org/flood.html

Look, this is one page of very poor scholarship, consisting of a handful of facts taken out of context. If you care about the truth at all, you can find for yourself why this page is nonsense. Why do you not care about truth?

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

1) How did the eye evolve?
2) How did our hearts evolve?
3) How about our lungs?
4) What evolved first our eye or the optic nerves or the brain to process the information?
5) what evolved first the skelital, muscular, nervous, respritory, digestive or digestive system?

Oh sweet Jesus on a pogostick! Read something, please, I'm begging you.

~~ Paul

 

[ChristineR]

I got one for you JF. If the eye or whatever is too complicated to have evolved without a creator, where did God come from? He supposedly sees everything, which means his eyes are better than mine. Yet if my eyes must have been designed, surely his eyes were designed. So who designed God?

 

[jesus_freak]

Also am I wrong in assuming that everyone here believes in Macroevolution...meaning a change in species?

 

[Chris Haynes]

Here is some more proof of a Biblical flood. Enjoy!
http://www.lighthouseupc.org/flood.html

No it isn't... None of the following are papers from actual scientific journals:

• (1) Whitcomb, John, "The Genesis Flood: The Biblical record and its scientific implications. ", 1961

• (2) Browning, Jason, "Noah's Ark a Feasibility study", 1997

• (3) Whitelaw, 1970, or the updated paper "The biblical record of Creation, Flood and history in light of 30,000 radiocarbon dates", Proceedings, 15th Anniversary Convention of Bible Science Association, pp. 197-202, 1979

• (4) Austin, Steven A. "Excess Argon within Mineral Concentrates from the New Dacite Lava Dome at Mount St. Helens Volcano", Institute for Creation Research

Now what about the links I gave to real research in real scientific journals about several real megafloods over 10000 years ago? Come on... if you want you can look at the light version at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/megaflood/ .

Oh, and the bristlecone pine tree is just about the oldest living tree that is still alive. There is evidence of them existing for millions of years before:
http://sonic.net/bristlecone/growth.html

 

[DangerousBeliefs]

Here is some more proof of a Biblical flood. Enjoy!
http://www.lighthouseupc.org/flood.html

sigh... did you look at the sources jesus_freak?

The one from 1997 is a freakin' powerpoint presentation... from a computer science major.

By the way, the oldest living Bristlecone pines are 5,000 years old... but the Bristlecone pine climate record (unbroken by a flood) goes back some 9,000 years.

 

[jesus_freak]

Oh sweet Jesus on a pogostick! Read something, please, I'm begging you.

Is that your final answer?

 

[ChristineR]

If you really want to know how the eye evolved, we will give you a cite, and then you can read it. But you can't post any more proofs until you have read and understood the eye articles. Then you can post questions about the eye articles. Then we can move onto the heart.

How's that?

 

[jesus_freak]

here is another...http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scientific_evidence_for_a_worldwide flood.htm

 

[jesus_freak]

sounds great

If you really want to know how the eye evolved, we will give you a cite, and then you can read it. But you can't post any more proofs until you have read and understood the eye articles. Then you can post questions about the eye articles. Then we can move onto the heart.

How's that?

 

[jesus_freak]

Sea originating fossils have been found at high altitudes of every continent.

Can you explain please?

 

[kmortis]

If you really want to know how the eye evolved, we will give you a cite, and then you can read it. But you can't post any more proofs until you have read and understood the eye articles. Then you can post questions about the eye articles. Then we can move onto the heart.

How's that?

Christine,
I see you've taken your optimism pills lately....

And now for something completely different, a bird oops, a bat

 

[cyborg]

Is that your final answer?

JF, seriously, this stuff has been hashed over repeatedly. Asking the same questions that have already been answered is incredibly tiresome.

If you will not read and insist on posting other people's thoughts from apologist websites then really, what do you hope to achieve?

Just what in the name of chaos do you hope to achieve?

 

[ChristineR]

Can you explain please?

I thought we were going to stick with the eye?

Seriously though, it means that at one time there was water over that spot. That isn't strong proof of a global flood that covered the entire surface of the earth at one time though.

Start here, read all six pages.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/change/grand/

 

[Wavicle]

1) How did the eye evolve?

Obviously we don't know for sure, but we have a theory that is supported by observations of living creatures with very primitive eyes. Oh, by the way, the human eye is not the best eye out there. Evolution has a good explanation as to why our eye isn't as good as some others out there. Do you?

2) How did our hearts evolve?

Slowly. Over a long time. We have plenty of existing systems to look at and surmise what the logical path from intercellular exchange to circulatory system is.

3) How about our lungs?

Are you going somewhere with this? It sounds like you're trying to argue from incredulity. But as has been mentioned before, lungs gradually evolved and replaced gills. We all used to be fish.

4) What evolved first our eye or the optic nerves or the brain to process the information?

Wow, what do we call this? False trichotomy or something? Non-optic nerves transmitted signals from proto-eyes and over time the nerves evolved into optic nerves and the proto-eyes into eyes. One doesn't have to evolve before the other.

5) what evolved first the skelital, muscular, nervous, respritory, digestive or digestive system?

Depends on what you mean by each, but a way to harness energy for survival is so very important to life you could argue that some sort of digest/respiratory system evolved before muscles and nerves, and bones clearly come last as the oldest creatures left no skeletal fossils.