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Crazy Canadian

~enigma~ said:
Oh my...he is from the Soo?:dl:
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Apparently so.

I located the WhoIs info a little while ago that maccy kindly posted just above, and it meshes with what he (Jeff) posted online himself on another forum, either Loose with the Truth or Fake Pilots for Twoof, I can't recall which, a few weeks ago.

;)
 
LashL said:
Oh, I agree with you on that, Calcas. My point was meant to illustrate that I suspect that the twoofers got it wrong - again - in their haste to make moot points that mean nothing anyway. I just hadn't elaborated on the rest of my thoughts in that regard yet as I wanted to hear someone else's take on the accuracy of the words first.

Ms. McClatchey sounds entirely believable, entirely credible, and, frankly, far more patient than I would have been with a loser like that on the phone.
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Another point that seems to be overlooked is the whole financial angle. She made it clear who to make the check/money order out to and stated that all proceeds went to the 9-11 victims or something to that effect. Didn't killclown used to postulate that she was somehow profiting from all these photo sales?

And his repeated references to her having bought a computer and camera before that day and bringing up her bankrupty (which she twice stated wasn't a personal bankruptcy) just makes me ill.

I would have hung up as soon as he started talking about that crap.
 
LashL said:
Apparently so.

I located the WhoIs info a little while ago that maccy kindly posted just above, and it concurs with what he (Jeff) posted online himself on another forum, either Loose with the Truth or Fake Pilots for Twoof, I can't recall which, a few weeks ago.

;)
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I'll be up that way in about 6 months.
 
Calcas said:
Another point that seems to be overlooked is the whole financial angle. She made it clear who to make the check/money order out to and stated that all proceeds went to the 9-11 victims or something to that effect. Didn't killclown used to postulate that she was somehow profiting from all these photo sales?

And his repeated references to her having bought a computer and camera before that day and bringing up her bankrupty (which she twice stated wasn't a personal bankruptcy) just makes me ill.

I would have hung up as soon as he started talking about that crap.
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I would have hung up on him, too, but I probably would have blasted him first. Ms. McClatchey was far more polite and far more patient than I would have been with a jerk like him asking those kinds of questions, that's for sure. It is a testament to her commitment to the charities that she is supporting by way of her involuntary involvement in the tragic events of September 11, 2001 that she didn't just tell him off and hang up on him.

She made it abundantly clear that Jeff could purchase the photo and that he even had his choice of which charitable organization to make payment to. She also made it clear that the entire amount was to go to whichever charity he chose.

Is there any indication on the twoofer sites what day that phone call was made? Any indication that Jeff has followed up and sent his money order along?

And yes, it is not at all surprising that none of the twoofers are commenting on the fact that (a) the money is going 100% to charity; (b) that Ms. McClatchey bought the computer months earlier (contrary to KillClown's assertions); (c) that Ms. McClatchey bought the camera in August; (d) that Ms. McClatchey never declared personal bankruptcy; and (e) that it was a Camaro club member who was expected to fly over some time within the span of a few weeks, NOT necessarily that day.

It is no surprise that when twoofers' pet theories are blown to hell, they just ignore the facts and move on to a new, unsubstantiated and baseless accusation. That's what they are doing now in their latest "Val bashing" thread over at Loose with the Truth. They have no morals, no scruples, and no decency. Despicable.

Edit to add: And I'd like to know if Jeff ever sent that money order...
 
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Well thank god he (KT) is not a canadian...that is all I have to say...
 
if Val is not litigious she could still sue and donate the funds to the Todd Beamer foundation and the 911 victims foundation. The two she mentions in the phone call.
 
Arus808 said:
that thread is a goldmine for stupid troofer quotes.
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A genius by the name of chrisfarb chimes in.

"Excuse me for a moment but this is new to me. If there were actually ordnance blasts being done in this area and the smoke plume in her photo appears to be from an ordnance blast, why couldn't this photo have been taken earlier, maybe even years earlier, by Val, of an actual blast?"
 
Calcas said:
A genius by the name of chrisfarb chimes in.

"Excuse me for a moment but this is new to me. If there were actually ordnance blasts being done in this area and the smoke plume in her photo appears to be from an ordnance blast, why couldn't this photo have been taken earlier, maybe even years earlier, by Val, of an actual blast?"
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Oh, for crying out loud. "Teh stoopid" is getting so thick over there that it's hard to imagine how they function at all. Do they not even know what a stripmine is? Do they not know the first thing about how blasting in mines takes place? The ignorance is astounding.
 
And that is why we let experts do the investigating; not a 18 year old with access to the net do it.
 
maccy said:
Actually, his details are publicly available from a whois lookup on his site pumpitout.com:

[whois.netfirms.com]
Registrant:

Hill, Jeff
37 Princeton Drive
Sault Ste Marie, ON P6B5T4
CA

Domain name: pumpitout.com

Administrative Contact:
shure_dj@hotmail.com
Hill, Jeff
37 Princeton Drive
Sault Ste Marie, ON P6B5T4
CA
705-945-0011 Fax:

Technical Contact:
Netfirms Inc. support@netfirms.com
Manager, Domains
5160 Yonge St., 1800
Toronto, ON M2N6L9
CA
4166612100 Fax: 4166610700

He also confirms this address on his montage of calls to various government agencies (including the FBI in NYC). I'd link to it, but his website seems to be having problems. It was discussed in this thread: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70134

The link was: http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/dec_07_2006.mp3 but this isn't working at the moment.
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As well as administering his domain, Netfirms also administers the server that his site is running from (its ip address is 66.244.252.89). Their contact page is here:

http://www.netfirms.com/company/contact/

Terms of service are here:

http://www.netfirms.com/features/termsofservice.php

any content on YOUR Web site that is prohibited by the laws of any sovereign state, obscene under the laws of any sovereign state, or otherwise considered by NETFIRMS™, in its sole discretion, to be offensive, disruptive, obscene, inappropriate or otherwise an administrative burden, may be removed or deleted without any compensation to YOU;
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8. Web site suspension / termination - if litigation or a similar adjudicative proceeding is commenced against YOU in respect of your SITE, and upon receipt by NETFIRMS™ of a Court-issued copy of such proceeding, YOUR SITE will be temporarily deactivated. The deactivation period will last until YOU have filed an appropriate Defence in respect of such proceeding, and provided NETFIRMS™ with a Court-issued copy of same. If YOU fail to defend any such proceeding, YOUR SITE will remain deactivated, without any compensation to YOU.
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14. Termination - both YOU and NETFIRMS™ have the option to terminate this Agreement at any time, upon providing five-business days prior notice to the other. NETFIRMS™ may terminate this Agreement at any time without notice or compensation to YOU if YOU violate any term of this Agreement, engage in illegal conduct, post illegal material, overwhelm NETFIRMS™ servers or central processing units (CPUs), or engage in any conduct NETFIRMS™ deems in its sole discretion to be disruptive or harmful.
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Netfirms should definitely be copied into any legal action, as should their upstream connectivity supplier:

OrgName: Big Pipe Inc.
OrgID: BGPP
Address: Suite 400
Address: 630 - 3rd Ave. SW
City: Calgary
StateProv: AB
PostalCode: T2P-4L4
Country: CA

OrgAbuseHandle: BPA15-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: BIG PIPE ABUSE
OrgAbusePhone: +1-866-244-7474
OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@bigpipeinc.com

http://www.bigpipeinc.com/html/acceptable_use_policy.jsp
http://www.bigpipeinc.com/html/contact_us.jsp

Even if what Jeff did isn't illegal, I'm pretty sure it's a breach of the acceptable use policies of these organisations.
 
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JTGOB is a hoot. Im sure he's investigated 1000's of airplane crashes, to know what kind of "plume" they'd make when they do crash.
 
maccy said:
Even if what Jeff didn't isn't illegal, I'm pretty sure it's a breach of the acceptable use policies of these organisations.
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actually, you should get his ISP into the "suit" as well since he is using their connection to post defamatory content and illegal recordings to the net.

same goes with Killclown.
 
If anybody wants some comedic entertainment read this thread where JTGOB is arguing against Roxdogl. about the illegality of Jeff's call to Val.
 
there goes roxdog, thinking he's a lawyer now..first he's an engineer, a scientist, a demo expert, a physicist; how many "couch" professions can one person hold?
 
LashL,

Would this FCC ruling be applicable?

FCC’s Rules Regarding Telephone Company Recording of Interstate or International Wireline Telephone Conversations
The FCC protects the privacy of telephone conversations by requiring notification before a recording device is used to record interstate (between different states) or international wireline calls. Interstate or international wireline conversations may not be recorded unless the use of the recording device is:
  • preceded by verbal or written consent of all parties to the telephone conversation; or
  • preceded by verbal notification that is recorded at the beginning, and as part of the call, by the recording party; or
  • accompanied by an automatic tone warning device, sometimes called a “beep tone,” that automatically produces a distinct signal that is repeated at regular intervals during the course of the telephone conversation when the recording device is in use.
Also, a recording device can only be used if it can be physically connected to and disconnected from the telephone line or if it can be switched on and off.
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OrgName: Big Pipe Inc.
OrgID: BGPP
Address: Suite 400
Address: 630 - 3rd Ave. SW
City: Calgary
StateProv: AB
PostalCode: T2P-4L4
Country: CA

Big Pipe Inc. is a subsiduary of Shaw Cable Systems who's headquaters are in Calgary. Shaw is the cable TV and cable internet provider in Sault Saint Marie, Ontario so there is a could chance the Jeff Hill's ISP is Shaw cable. If so then he'll have an e-mail address with shaw.ca

ETA
netfirms.ca has a Toronto phone number
"NETFIRMS.CA" is registered.

Domain Name: netfirms.ca (98021)Registered: 2000/11/09
Last Modified: 2005/12/03Expires: 2010/12/01 Registrant: Netfirms, Inc. (34947)Suhan Shan suhan@netfirms.com (50795)416-661-2100 FAX 416-661-0700 Technical: suhan@netfirms.com (50795)
ns1.netfirms.com 216.32.198.6
ns2.netfirms.com 216.32.198.7
 
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~enigma~ said:
LashL,

Would this FCC ruling be applicable?
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Enigma,

No, it is not directly applicable because it deals with telephone calls being recorded by telephone companies, rather than by individuals.

That aside, I have been following up on the matter and hope to have a complete response to the questions raised soon.
 
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