David Farrant- Psychic investigator.

[Darat]

For Omegablue,

For Omegablue,
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that there is no apparent evidence that these entities [I assume you mean if these even exist at all] ever appear to people, or manifest, during normal (waking or everyday) states of consciousness.
I have to say that I agree with that entirely; I have not come across any evidence for this either.
But then I can only ask why it is that these ‘attacks’ or visitations invariably take place when a given person is in a ‘sleeping state’. (Often people are abruptly awakened to become aware that such an ‘attack’ or ‘visitation’ is taking place).


...snip...

Have you ever heard of "sleep paralysis"?

 

[omegablue]

It is perhaps worth noting that there are other common symptoms that affect people experiencing these ‘attacks’:
People (perhaps I should say ‘victims’) experiencing these nightly ‘attacks’ (I use the word ‘attacks’ without commitment to whether these are ‘internal’ or ‘external’) often begin to have vivid dreams (often nightmares), become prone to bouts of sleep-walking and, in their waking hours, lose their appetites and develop an aversion to sunlight or bright light. They can also become lethargic and weak – although I suppose you could put this down to the strain of the experiences themselves and a genuine fear to go to sleep.

Well David, I think this is the crucial point in which perhaps fact may become myth and lead to vampire histories. If people start to suffer regularly from sleep paralysis it may imply that person is suffering from mental stress, or some difficulty to get asleep or any other known reasons why people should start to experience sleep paralysis. Most of them are related to tiredness or mental stress. It is no wonder if these people are found to be weak and turn to avoid sunlight while feeling weak by this constant lack of sleep or sleep inadequacies . I myself become weak to sunlight in the next morning if I do not sleep or sleep for a few hours. Sunlight surely irritates my sight when I´m on sleep deficit.

I think if some paranormal phenomenon would exist in this specific case of attacks, it would be the alleged subtle body of energy, which was studied and believed to exist by for example Wolfgang Pauli , a renowned and important physicist alongside with his friend and former co-worker and also famous, psychiatrist Carl Gustav Jung who studied the unconscious for his entire life. The idea of the subtle body could be a fuel to start the fire of the ancient soul myth. This energy body is also present in the chinese medicine, called on western world "alternative medicine", which includes chakras (hindu terminology) or points of high energy concentrations and flows in the exact middle of the body. This energy would also perhaps equal to the "chi" claims of channeling energies in some body parts by moving your meditating mind´s awareness to that points. By being on a meditative state which favors visualization, you actually feel the physical tinglings and real energy sensations moving from part to part. I myself was skeptical about the existence of these strange things until I became curious enough in order to start practicing the alleged methods of inducing trance in order to have OBE or "astral projections". I can say that these things are very real and are mostly alike to all people who experience it. The most common effects are felt by almost everyone who describes the experience.

Right before you feel like leaving the body , you may be stuck in a state in which you seem to experience a lot of entities around you, often of threatening nature. This is the mental state in which people often says about being attacked, sexually abused, drained or being pressured on the chest. The difference is that people have it by accident, spontaneously or by a physical problem like those science in general speculates to be associated with repeated sleep paralysis episodes. When I´m about to induce these experiences, exactly before it triggers, I feel my body strangely energized from the chest and head flowing to the other parts. It is often so overwhelming that you may be in panic and wake temporarily paralyzed or with heavy tingling and energy sensations throughout the body.

Note carefully that i´m not saying that there is in fact a suble body, but all the sensations listed above are real and everyone who tries the method with some patience is able to induce these strange experiences. And as there is no scientific explanation as for why all this unknown energy do flow throughout the body while tranced, I found this model of a subtle body or subtle energy an interesting starting approach, for reasons I could talk later if someone would be interested.

Ohh I could go on all night long about the possible causes of these sensations of being abducted, but as it relates to this discussion I think I´ve explained my opinions about that matter. The crucial point is not the existence of the phenomena but HOW people do interpret them. Let me know what you think.


regards

 

[DavidFarrant]

"Sleep Attacks"

For Omegablue,
Thank you for your long reply. It makes a change to talk to someone who is not ‘over-sceptic’!
I think you summed up an essential point at the end of your reply when you said that the crucial point is not [about] the existence of these phenomena but how people interpret them.
Yes. It surely depends on interpretation, as this phenomena is too wide-spread to deny it exists, anymore than you could really deny that people dream. They do. We all do. (And no, I am certainly highly sceptical myself of ‘dream interpretation’ and think that much of this is based on ‘fantasy ground’).
So, we are aware of the general symptoms of such ‘sleep attacks’ (and I have extensive first hand cases on file victims of such ‘paralysis’ all describing or experiencing virtually identical symptoms), but the other essential question is, what is the actual cause?
Let me say, that I think you have explained some possible causes clearly and concisely, at least, as far as it is possible to explain or point out the reality of other stages or states of consciousness. (By the way, I am not claiming to have exclusive knowledge of other levels of consciousness but I know that these exist, albeit that most people live their entire lives without experiencing these).
While on the important question of Cause, please let me stress here what I know the Cause is NOT. (Not good English, I’m sorry, but I think we have to dismiss technical grammar here!).
I can not accept that these ‘sleep attacks’ are the result of any visiting spirits or ‘demons’ (Incubus and/or Succubus). I am afraid I am not a great believer in ‘outside entities’ or ‘spirits’ – at least, in the manner these are so often described ‘parrot fashion’ and so flippantly.
But having said this, it is perhaps easy to see how visiting ‘entities’ or ‘demons’ have been explained to be a cause, often the main cause.
Unlike yourself, people generally undergoing such ‘sleep attacks’ have little or no idea as to what is really going on (add to this the obsessive superstition and belief in demons in past centuries), and so they may be quick to put down such attacks (the paralysis and sexual element as well) to the intervention of ‘outside intelligence’s. Indeed, some people are even convinced that they have become ‘possessed’; a fact not helped by the opinions of some clergy – and others – who recommend some sort of exorcism be conducted.
In other words, it is perhaps easy to see how belief in the alleged existence of the Incubus and Succubus (and other alleged ‘outside intelligence’s for that matter; including all sorts of supposed demons and the devil) came into existence. These may just be projections of the human psyche – no more, no less.
I am not trying to suggest that a false or misguided belief in the cause, makes the reality of these ‘sleep attacks’ any less real. Try telling that to the people that have experienced them!
But in essence I must agree with yourself, that any potential understanding of these ‘attacks’ must begin with the human psyche itself, or the recognition that there do exist other levels of consciousness. Not just ‘three’ as Freud tried to maintain (conscious. subconscious and unconscious) but perhaps dozens upon dozens; some obviously ‘nearer the surface’ (or closer to waking consciousness) than others.
I do not know what the actual causes of these common ‘sleep attacks’ are. But I like to think that I know what they are not.
Coming from myself of all people, perhaps, that might sound a little strange. I just think that many cases of psychic phenomena, whilst perhaps being witnessed and in that sense valid, are not totally independent of human consciousness, or rather the human mind.
For now,
David

 

[Big Les]

Diverted from this thread.

On to more serious things: I was NOT advocating 'keeping an open mind' to the point of being ridiculous! If you asked me to believe that there were 'reptilian creatures' living on the other side of the moon, for example, or that a ghost is seen carrying its head around the grounds of the Tower of London, I simply would not believe you. That's not what I would define as having an open mind - just having common sense!

I feel 'Flange Desire', Lothian' and 'Cuddles', are all overlooking one essential point; that is all knowledge (at least, as we know it or can recognise it), is confined to the use of the six senses. The point may be, that is there perhaps another kind of Knowledge that lies beyond these six senses? (And I am not talking about 'God', 'spirits' or the so-called 'devil').

I would have thought that this is a far more essential point to pursue, as opposed to being limited to 'six sense judgements' all the time.

I do not want to answer any points off topic or what could be seen to be 'off topic' in relation to 'vampires'. So maybe if you want to ask me what I mean by this, it would be better on the thread Brodski started for myself. Or ask me here if you want; but then please do not accuse me of going off the subject!

For now,

David

David - just to try to clarify what the others are saying about the old "keeping an open mind" chestnut. The fact that you think it reasonable to suggest that there might be such things as psychic attacks, psychics vampires etc is your own subjective take on "what might be beyond our six senses". Others believe that it's reasonable to posit headless ghosts, fairies, and countless other ideas. You join us in dismissing those, yet talk about things that as far as the evidence goes, are no more or less likely to exist. To you, hell, even to some of us sceptics, a headless ghost might seem less likely than your psychic concepts. But that's just your personal "threshold" for what seems reasonable, common sense, not too far out of left field.

But whether it seems that way to us or not, as sceptics we apply the same standards across the board; you need evidence for your psychic ideas just as the Hampton Court fans need it for their ghost, just as the Bigfoot aficionados need it for their (even more plausible yet equally lacking in evidence) upright ape. Hence Cuddles' urging us not to keep our minds "so open that our brains fall out". I hope that clears up our position. Note that most here only get agitated when people actually claim that X is the case, and especially when they try to persuade others of this or (even worse) make money off the back of it. You don't seem to have done any of this, and are rather making casual observations of your take on things. Above all, you've been polite and refused to get defensive yourself, which is great. But there's always going to be a certain amount of "grilling" if you offer thoughts along supernatural lines without offering evidence for this; try not to take offence if people start getting "short" with you. Just take that as an indication that the discussion is becoming circular and perhaps leave it at that.

 

[DavidFarrant]

Thanks For That

Thanks for clarfying that Big Les,

Sorry not to have got back before, but its sometimes difficult to remember thngs in order with so many other things to do. Quite apartfrom all the responses elsewhere and trying to keep all the publications up to date, I'm also caught up in two legal processes at present which need almost constant attention. (No! not against me - one which I instigated myself, the other in which I'm just involved for somebody else).

I do understand what you say. I just wanted to make the point that I have really not made any specific claims, if anything, only discussed claims or beliefs that are already in existence.

(I am dismissing the 30-35 year-old newspaper reports that Manchester keeps desperately trying to introduce. The majority of those have been taken deliberately out of context to confuse events as these actually occurred. I was acquitted on many of the charges to which the police statements related, but this is conveniently not mentioned).

I hope I made it clear to the moderators, that I wished to deal only with Manchester's (outrageous) claims. This I have tried to do, but it is difficult when people constantly keep demanding that I produce 'evidence' Ironically, perhaps, I am just as much a sceptic to many of these things (particularly many alleged cases of 'psychic phenomena) as other poeple are. Maybe its partly just not allowed to be at all sceptical because of what I'm seen to represent! I don't know.

Anyway, thanks again,

For the moment,

David

 

[Big Les]

David,

Thanks for your response. It's often the case that people have some area or subject to which they don't necessarily apply the same sceptical approach that they do otherwise, and there are many reasons for that. I'm not going to "evangelise" about throwing out any beliefs you may have; that's not the idea. You've clearly understood where we're coming from in our approach, and you rightly say that you haven't made any claims as such. It's a somewhat atypical situation anyway, drawn here as you were by the Manchester ferrago. I can't help but think that if Manchester had taken your attitude and approach to his arrival here, there might have been a reasonable debate about the whole thing. Or perhaps just a massive flamewar; who knows?!

 

[Cuddles]

I do understand what you say. I just wanted to make the point that I have really not made any specific claims, if anything, only discussed claims or beliefs that are already in existence.

The answer is at at first (that is right at the onset) I did not realise the figure was supernatural. It appeared to be clad in a dark cloak and the 'points of light' that I took to be its eyes, I initially assuned had been made by some hidden torch or something. In short, I initially thought it was some very hunan person who had heard the local stories abot a vampire (which had cleverly been spread by one particular individual for the purposes of gaining personal publicity) and was dressed up as one trying to frighten passers by. But in a matter of seconds, this impression changed. The area around me suddenly turned icy cold (like a fridge) and the 'thing' seemed to trying to 'hypnotise' me. Put another way, I felt I was quickly being 'drained of energy' and was being forced into some 'enticed sleep'. I realised then that it ws no human being and that I was under psychic attack. I mentally recited a cabalistic incantation (which I'd previously been taught through my involvement in Wicca and spiritualism) and the entity promptly vanished and the temperature returned to normal. Thus I was convinced that the figure wasn't human but that I was only witnessing what other people had already seen. No. I can't offer you material proof. Except to say it was not imagination and I was NOT on drugs as two schoolgirls had been when they claimed to have seen 'bodies rising from their graves' back in 1967. (The latter being a proposition which Mr. Manchester has always endorsed).

Bolding mine. While I appreciate your reasonable tone, your claim that you have simply discussed other people's claims and not made any of your own is quite blatantly false. A cynical person could suspect you of deliberately lying in order to avoid coming under the same pressure to provide evidence for your beliefs as Manchester. I should remind you again that Manchester (or whoever) was banned for his behaviour, not because we were supporting you over him. Most people think your beliefs are exactly as silly as his, and if you bring them up on this forum, as you have done, people will ask for evidence. If you continue to dodge questions and lie about your previous posts you will be held to account for this.

 

[DavidFarrant]

Not A Vampire

FOR CUDDLES,

No I was not lying. What seems to be happening is that you are attributing your own interpretation/s to myself, and then expecting me to answer some erroneous assumption.

What I described actually happened (whatever it was that happened) to myself as a personal experience. It seemed so real that at first (in the very first moments I thought it was a very human being dressed up). I am not avoiding this issue (I have spoken about it publicly on many occasions and I described it in my books).

I described that experience here mainly because of all the distorted nonsense Manchester has circulated about it, to the effect that it was a ‘blood-sucking vampire’ – which it was not.

So you are quite entitled to refer to it as I publicly stated it here as well. But please don’t accuse me of lying about it because I never made any claims about it here: I just recalled an event that had happened (if you don’t believe this, just read back again).

Had I been asked any questions about this either by other people or yourself, and I had then made claims about it (for example that I knew or could ‘prove’ what it was; then that would have been a slightly different matter).

There is one other thing here, if you don’t mind me pointing it out: why is it you seem to attach so much importance to an event (or events) of 37 years ago? (like Manchester does all the time). Do you not think you could get slightly relevant answers if you dealt with events in the present?

I was just recording the sequence of events as this particular incident occurred at the time, without making any ‘claims’ about it other than to state that the entity was not natural or ‘human’ – notwithstanding that this appeared to take on a human form.

What I wrote was a description of what happened. Can you point out for me where I claimed I knew what it was?

As a matter of fact, even to this day, I am convinced that this ‘figure’ was psychic by nature. And remember also, what I witnessed several other local people had already witnessed and reported before I had seen it.

What was it? I honestly don’t know. I can tell you, however, that it was certainly not a ‘vampire’!

For now,

David (Farrant)

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Let's break this down.

Mr. Farrant,

Could you please address the following:
1) How long have you been investigating paranormal phenomenon?
2) If you had to, and you do for this post, pick one case/investigation/incident/event that you feel would be the best to present in support of your work, what would it be?
3) What elements of #2 are objective in nature and are at least risk for subjective interpretation?

 

[Cuddles]

Can you point out for me where I claimed I knew what it was?

OK

I was just recording the sequence of events as this particular incident occurred at the time, without making any ‘claims’ about it other than to state that the entity was not natural or ‘human’ – notwithstanding that this appeared to take on a human form.

Here you claim that is was not natural or human, therefore you are claiming it was paranormal.

As a matter of fact, even to this day, I am convinced that this ‘figure’ was psychic by nature. And remember also, what I witnessed several other local people had already witnessed and reported before I had seen it.

Here again you claim it was "psychic", another paranormal claim.

What was it? I honestly don’t know. I can tell you, however, that it was certainly not a ‘vampire’!

And here you claim is was not a vampire, and while I'm sure most of us agree, this is in fact a claim.

There is one other thing here, if you don’t mind me pointing it out: why is it you seem to attach so much importance to an event (or events) of 37 years ago? (like Manchester does all the time). Do you not think you could get slightly relevant answers if you dealt with events in the present?

Relevant to what? You claim to have experienced paranormal events, I have simply asked you for evidence and to explain why you believe this. I have also asked why you keep saying you have not claimed anything, despite direct quotes from you where you very clearly do. If you think it would help to discuss more recent events where you claim paranormal phenomena then feel free to present them to us, but I cannot discuss claims you make if you do not talk about them. So far you have only said anything about events from long ago, and so I have asked, along with others, for more information. If you believe this is somehow unreasonable then you are definately in the wrong place.

 

[DavidFarrant]

Bpos Query And Continuing Confusion

For Archan Wolfshadee and Cuddles,

I would just ask you both to accept a quick acknowledgement here just for the immediate moment. I am NOT evading answering your 2/3 questions Archan W. At least you have asked me straightforward and understandable questions, as compared to previously. Having said that, I have a meeting here tonight so will have to do it after that.

For Cuddles,

We don't really seem to be getting anywhere with your question when I have already answered it.

OK. Quickly try again . . .

I am not denying that I claimed the 'entity' was 'psychic' by nature - I never have. What I said was - and am saying again as you seem not to have grasped it- was that I have never made any direct claim or claims to explain its appearance. I have never said 'it was this' or 'it was that', and it follows that I have never made any claim that I could prove what it was. (What it was NOT, maybe, and again, it was not a vampire).

May I put it another way for you to perhaps help you understand it? Lets remove the word 'psychic' which I use often for sake of easy convenience. I witnessed the materialisation of some unknown energy which was not physical and certainly not human. So much is fact. The only other observation I made was that I felt that I was 'being drained of energy'. I do not know what it was. I can say, however, that several independent people since (some recently) have reported being 'drained of energy, in the same immediate area (without actually seeing any manifestation) which indicates to me personally, that this is still active and maybe caused by some 'energy spot' on the earth's surface. That is not a claim; it is just my personal opinion based on what actually happened to myself and what has since happened to other people who have reported a similiar thing. And, 'no', I can't prove it. If you are unable to accept this - then don't! Nobody is really forcing you to believe it; least of all myself.

I will reply to you soon Archan W.

So 'till later,

David

 

[Cuddles]

The only other observation I made was that I felt that I was 'being drained of energy'. I do not know what it was. I can say, however, that several independent people since (some recently) have reported being 'drained of energy, in the same immediate area (without actually seeing any manifestation) which indicates to me personally, that this is still active and maybe caused by some 'energy spot' on the earth's surface. That is not a claim;

Do you seriously not understand what a claim is?

I witnessed the materialisation of some unknown energy which was not physical and certainly not human. So much is fact.

That is a claim. It is a paranormal claim. It is a claim that you have definitive proof (hence the word "fact") of some phenomenon that is not physical, and is therefore unkown to science. It does not matter that you don't know what it is, or that you don't use the word "psychic" or "ghost" or whatever. You are claiming that something paranormal has happened.

In addition to this you are implicitly claiming that there are "energy spots" on the Earth, and since this cannot be any type of energy currently known to science, you are also claiming that there is a new type of energy that must be, by definition, paranormal. And since you apparently know these spots exist, you are also implicitly claiming to be able to detect them.

It is not embarrassing to believe in the paranormal. Many people do. Most of us on this forum are not believers and spend some of our time helping people who are find explanations that actually agree with the real world. We often learn new things ourselves. Many of us even live in the hope that something new will be discovered, be it new types of energy, psychic powers or ghosts. However, what we do not look upon kindly is people who are deliberately deceitful.

At this point you have two choices. It is clear to everyone reading the threads you have posted in that you have made claims. To quote again

I witnessed the materialisation of some unknown energy which was not physical and certainly not human.

This is a claim. Now, you could be a reasonable person, admit that you have made claims and discuss them or not as you see fit. This is what any honest person would do. Or you can carry on denying the very obvious facts and be exposed as either a deliberate fraud or just hopelessly delusional. It is your choice, but most people here will not be so friendly with someone who is either a proven liar or incapable of understanding simple English.

 

[DavidFarrant]

'energy Spots'

For Cuddles,

Another quick reply to:
In addition to this you are implicitly claiming that there are "energy spots" on the Earth, and since this cannot be any type of energy currently known to science, you are also claiming that there is a new type of energy that must be, by definition, paranormal. And since you apparently know these spots exist, you are also implicitly claiming to be able to detect them.

Actually, I did not say this. YOU did! (See above). That is your interpretation of what I originally stated.

You are again trying to 'put words into my mouth', Cuddles.

I did not 'claim' anything about 'discovering energy spots'. I said that this could be an optician in the case stated. Again read back. If you do, carefully, you will see that this is your own interpretation - or misinterpretation about 'energy spots' - not mine!

If you want to quote what I originally said, then at least please be accurate!

For now,

David (Farrant).

 

[CLD]

From "Interview With David Farrant"*
http://www.davidfarrant.org/Interviews.html

DF: There are certain methods I can't really talk about. But the Society get together to form a psychic chain and direct the psychic energy towards the person in question., a bit like an exorcism. We very rarely do this unless its a very serious case, and this was a very serious case.

I: Why can't you talk about it?

DF: There are certain things we're not supposed to discuss and, even if we did, people wouldn't really understand them. But there are certain talismans, symbols and words that contain power if they are utilized in the right manner. Its nothing sensational, but its kept secret because some of them have been known for centuries and have been handed down. One of the reasons for secrecy is that if they become known, they'd be abused.

David, while not an overt claim, the above certainly implies a claim that psychic energy is real. (In any case, I'm interested in knowing the secrets and I promise I won't abuse them.)

*From reading the above interview and your responses in this forum, I get the impression that you have mastered the art of intentionally creating an impression that something is factual while denying you have made any claim that it's factual.

 

[DavidFarrant]

For Wolfshade and CLU,

You quoted an interview I gave whereby I was asked why I was not allowed to discuss certain things; in this case 'words of power'. You quoted my answer whereby I replied that I could not discuss certain things to protect such things from misunderstanding and abuse.

Well, you know, CLU, you have really answered your own question. In other words, words and thoughts really have no power in themselves,; they only have the 'power' we invest in them.

As you have read that interview, who may also have gathered that many years ago, I had been Initiated into an esoretic Order - hence my reply.

But getting away from that:

Wolfbane asked me yesterday how long I had been investigating the paranormal.

In relatively vague terms (without giving precise weeks or months), I rally became actively involved in the esorteric Order towars the end of 1963, but my 'on the ground' research into the paranormal and physchic phenomena really began after the mid 1960's.

A particular case that I have regarded as significant? They have all been, if it comes to that, even a majority when 'nothing happened'. For it has often been the case when we may have arranged a nightly watch (that obviously included getting available people there and organised and setting up necessary equipment), nothing 'out of the ordinary' had been observed or recorded.

In many other cases, things occurred that could not be explained by way of a normal explanation (eg distinct but unexplainable sounds or noises, drops in temperature in certain areas, unexplainable effects upon objects - often electrical equipment, and certainly direct effects upon animals either taken, or enticed, into a given location or area. And yes, we have sometimes caught unexplainable 'light manifestations, or 'images' on night vision cameras, commonly on static (left playing) LP video tape.

On much rarer occasions, I have personally seen objects move or fall without ant human intervention (physical intervention, I should say) and I have witnessed people being 'pushed' - even pushed over to the ground - by some 'invisible force' at a few locations.

Probably, some of the most memorable 'watches' took place in rural North Wales. I was certainly fascinated by many inexplicable lights in the sky seen high in the clear air over the mountains. These have been seen by hundreds of independent residents over the years (and the police have many reports on file) but, before you even think it!, no, I do not accept the existence of UFO's. But something is causing these and they must remain without any apparent material explanation.

I hope this goes some way in answering your question, Wolfshade. It is really the best I can do with the limited space available here.

For the moment,

David (Farrant)

 

[Expression_man]

Mr Farrant

I recently stated in a thread I made, regarding out of body experiences, that I wouldn't post again in this forum again until I had something to offer people with regards to proof. Having read your accounts here and experienced what we will call "psychic attack" first-hand, allow me to convey the reality of the situation we are faced with.

We are struggling against an overwhelming bias which has come about due to a mental critique lacking those critical experiences described by you. It is not a part of the reality in this place. While I am aware that we do not speak for eachother and that you would also be highly critical of my own experiences, the problem is the same.

I am responding to this thread because it is evident to me that you are not the type who wastes hours discussing these things in internet forum communities. This place is a breeding ground for selective thinking and should not be taken seriously, ever. Any example, or set of examples, you relay will be taken out of context in an endeavor to describe them by another means which will seem more plausible to the people in question.

My thread was hostile in nature and was part of a reaction I had to James Randi's well-known cynicism. While you have, with good grace, bore the insults to your name you have not had much success in explaining to these people that which lies beyond their current means of perception.

It is a trap. You have been provoked into coming here and the people have been conditioned to refute everything you say, no matter how reasonably you convey the subject material. You have not been shown the same level of respect you continue to offer and it is perhaps time to reconsider what, if any, fruit this place will bear if you continue to respond to its members.

You have bore the insults with good grace and responded kindly to those with questions and, as far as I am concerned, that is a better measure of a man rather than how critical his thinking may be.

Please do not allow yourself to be provoked by these people. They become angry the moment their world view is compromised.

Whatever you decide to do keep in mind that there are those who visit this place while searching for answers and that you are providing variables worth considering.

Do not respond to this as it will only derail the discussion. I am merely angered by the level of ignorance this place harbors, you need not be.

Stay well.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Mr. Farrant,

My screen-name is Arkan_Wolfshade. Not Archon, or Archan, or Wolfbane. You are either doing a poor job reading, which would call in to question your abilities as an investigator; or you are intentionally changing my screen name.

In either case, I would highly recommend that you pay closer attention to what is posted.

 

[DavidFarrant]

Sorry re. the name

For Archan Wolfshade,

I am sorry about my apparent mistake in mispelling your name when trying to answer your question. I notice that you made no comment about your original requested answer; just a comment about my spelling error.

Please note: this was NOT deliberate, as you seemed to imply.

You may have noted that I do not paste replies (questions or answers) in my answers. I merely summarise points instead before answering them. That is just my habit as a writer. If I mispelled your pen name, again I am sorry. And again, this was not deliberate.

Call it 'fatigue', non-attention to my terrible typing, or what you will. But it was really not with the intention with which you now seem to be taking it!

For the moment,

David (Farrant)

 

[Cuddles]

I did not 'claim' anything about 'discovering energy spots'. I said that this could be an optician in the case stated. Again read back. If you do, carefully, you will see that this is your own interpretation - or misinterpretation about 'energy spots' - not mine!

If you want to quote what I originally said, then at least please be accurate!

OK, once again

indicates to me personally, that this is still active and maybe caused by some 'energy spot' on the earth's surface.

This is exactly what you said. There is no point trying to wriggle out of this. You made claims. You said this was a psychic phenomenon. If you believe this but do not want to discuss it then just say so. The more you deny having said things that appear just a post above your denial, the more you seem like either a deluded fool or a wilful liar.

In addition, I should point out that this thread was started for a reason : to discuss your claims and your evidence for them.

What would you consider the best evidence which you have gathered for the existence of the paranormal, vampires or psychic phenomena?

To continue posting here while denying the former and refusing to provide the latter would seem more than a little silly.

 

[Cuddles]

Please do not allow yourself to be provoked by these people. They become angry the moment their world view is compromised.