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LC:FC in PREproduction for over 1 year?!

Why does LCF have all the real smart people?

from LCF: Lcfc, Let's Work Together! Is the topic and one poster said:
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2-3 Months? Remember Dylan said no promises. But if this is eve remotely true...then you're absolutely right. Once LC:FC is out I hope that people do't just take this standing down. I mean, all the talk saying it will be undebunkable (SLC could be out of a job! :lol: ) I think i speak for everyone when I say the release of LC:FC wil be a loud and clear call for all americans.

And if a theatre near me doesn't show it...I will single-handedly MAKE SURE they do. Come hell or high water it better be shown in San Diego!
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Un-debunk-able! I suppose hearsay is kind of un-debunk-able. How can you prove what someone said was not what someone said when they said it?

I believe LC:FC will be unfactable, or totalitarifactless.

When will some of these CT people wake up to the illusion they suffer?

(I can not believe how undebunkable most of the loyal LCF people are.)
 
well he's sol for the entire summer
with spiderman 3, shrek the third, pirates 3, transformers, oceans 13, fantastic four 2 (he'll loose half his audience due to jessica alba in a tight spandex uniform), Harry potter, The Simpsons movie (which will be more entertaining than LC), Bourne Ultimatum, and Rush Hour 3
 

And if a theatre near me doesn't show it...I will single-handedly MAKE SURE they do. Come hell or high water it better be shown in San Diego!
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yeah the only way you'll get them to show it is if you rent out the place for $3000 and get a bad print from Dylan.
 
One thing we have to take into account is that they are supposedly using exclusive interviews and footage.

Makes it very easy to manipulate.

Other than that I can't see why they are holding this "un-debunkable" evidence back. Surely by saying that they are admitting that their old stuff was, in fact, debunkable and therefore substantially wrong.
 
The only way LC:FC will be "undebunkable" is if it comes in like a milder version of "Press for the Truth". ANything more racey...and ya, I think we can punch a few holes in it...lol

TAM:)
 
My prediction: it will be nothing more than JAQing off, with zero substance.

Sadly, I don't think this prediction qualifies me for the $1,000,000 challenge as - to quote one of twoofers' favourite mantras - "it's so obvious" that the latest do-over will be nothing but a fluff piece if and when it materializes.
 
FYI

Found this info. Considering the track record of documentaries, Dylan's claims would all be record shattering if they were true.

A few obvious points. Only 3 of the documentaries in the top 100 opened in more than 500 theaters. All three combined opened in less than 3000. The vast majority of the films opened on less than 10 screens and never expanded beyond that. Only 70 of the top 417 documentaries in history made over 1 million. Only 13 made over 5 million. 3 of those belong to Moore.

Rank/Title/Studio Lifetime Gross/Theaters/Opening/Opening Theaters/Date
1 Fahrenheit 9/11 Lions $119,194,771 2,011 $23,920,637 868 6/23/04
2 March of the Penguins WIP $77,437,223 2,506 $137,492 4 6/24/05
3 An Inconvenient Truth ParC $24,146,161 587 $281,330 4 5/24/06
4 Bowling for Columbine UA $21,576,018 248 $209,148 8 10/11/02
5 Madonna: Truth or Dare Mira. $15,012,935 652 $543,250 51 5/10/91
6 Winged Migration SPC $11,689,053 202 $33,128 1 4/18/03
7 Super Size Me IDP $11,536,423 230 $516,641 41 5/7/04
8 Mad Hot Ballroom ParC $8,117,961 202 $45,348 2 5/13/05
9 Hoop Dreams FL $7,830,611 262 $18,396 3 10/14/94
10 Tupac: Resurrection Par. $7,718,961 804 $4,632,847 801 11/14/03
11 Roger and Me WB $6,706,368 265 $80,253 4 12/22/89
12 The Aristocrats Think $6,377,461 234 $243,796 4 7/29/05
13 Spellbound Think $5,728,581 117 $17,508 1 4/30/03
14 Touching the Void IFC $4,593,598 137 $96,973 5 1/23/04
15 The Fog of War SPC $4,198,566 261 $41,449 3 12/19/03
16 Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room Magn. $4,071,700 151 $76,639 3 4/22/05
17 Paris is Burning Mira. $3,779,620 91 $310,127 23 8/9/91
18 Imagine: John Lennon WB $3,753,977 561 $1,412,213 561 10/7/88
19 Step Into Liquid Art. $3,681,803 91 $135,985 5 8/8/03
20 Born Into Brothels Think $3,515,061 127 $14,605 1 12/8/04
21 The Corporation Zeit. $3,493,516 28 $28,671 2 6/4/04
22 Rize Lions $3,336,391 352 $1,574,787 352 6/24/05
23 Grizzly Man Lions $3,178,403 105 $269,131 29 8/12/05
24 Wordplay IFC $3,121,270 154 $32,847 2 6/16/06
25 Capturing the Friedmans Magn. $3,119,113 78 $65,154 3 5/30/03
26 The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill Shad. $3,058,527 67 $36,731 5 2/9/05
27 Crumb Sony $3,041,083 56 $19,859 1 4/21/95
28 Unzipped Mira. $2,875,086 119 $71,275 2 8/4/95
29 When We Were Kings Gram. $2,789,985 92 $12,479 2 10/25/96
30 Comedian Mira. $2,751,988 244 $60,224 4 10/11/02
31 My Architect NYer $2,750,707 39 $37,929 2 11/12/03
32 Freeriders WM $2,750,064 30 $264,548 11 10/20/98
33 Control Room Magn. $2,589,616 74 $27,125 1 5/21/04
34 The Endurance: Shackleton's Antarctic Adventure Cow. $2,453,083 40 $18,931 3 10/5/01
35 Snowriders 2 WM $2,287,639 - n/a - 10/15/97
36 A Brief History of Time Trit $2,279,692 45 $84,025 5 8/21/92
37 Riding Giants SPC $2,276,368 64 $134,400 26 7/9/04
38 Rivers and Tides Roxie $2,200,276 15 $12,256 1 6/26/02
39 The Endless Summer II NL $2,155,385 302 $657,292 302 6/3/94
40 Snowriders WM $2,068,490 - n/a - 10/16/96
41 Beyond the Mat Lions $2,053,648 298 $9,532 1 10/22/99
42 Endless Winter WM $1,966,454 - n/a - 10/20/95
43 Vertical Reality WM $1,951,429 - n/a - 10/19/94
44 The Story of the Weeping Camel Think $1,763,052 55 $21,767 2 6/4/04
45 Koyaanisqatsi IsAl $1,723,872 - n/a - 4/27/83
46 Life & Times of Hank Greenberg Cow. $1,712,385 31 $21,675 1 1/12/00
47 Who Killed the Electric Car? SPC $1,678,874 74 $45,138 8 6/28/06
48 Black Diamond Rush WM $1,634,386 47 $161,115 11 10/12/93
49 Rhyme & Reason Mira. $1,608,277 280 $853,589 280 3/7/97
50 Vincent: The Life and Death of Vincent Van Gogh Roxie $1,577,480 16 $4,632 1 8/19/88
51 Murderball Think $1,531,154 97 $57,286 8 7/8/05
52 Why We Fight SPC $1,439,972 64 $53,571 6 1/20/06
53 The Kid Stays in the Picture Focus $1,439,232 56 $89,087 4 7/26/02
54 Microcosmos Mira. $1,433,210 43 $35,189 2 10/9/96
55 Looking for Richard FoxS $1,408,575 81 $33,843 2 10/11/96
56 The Celluloid Closet SPC $1,400,591 38 $95,047 9 3/15/96
57 Hearts of Darkness Trit $1,318,449 28 $42,992 4 11/27/91
58 Anne Frank Remembered SPC $1,310,200 31 $26,697 4 2/23/96
59 Brother's Keeper CThnk $1,305,915 15 $10,758 1 9/9/92
60 Dogtown and Z-Boys SPC $1,300,682 70 $103,355 20 4/26/02
61 Startup.com Art. $1,283,356 35 $16,118 1 5/11/01
62 Metallica: Some Kind of Monster IFC $1,222,708 147 $46,359 3 7/9/04
63 The Thin Blue Line Mira. $1,209,846 23 $17,814 1 8/26/88
64 Shut Up and Sing Wein. $1,208,150 84 $50,103 4 10/27/06
65 Festival Express Think $1,174,079 43 $12,074 1 7/23/04
66 American Movie SPC $1,165,795 29 $20,260 2 11/5/99
67 Paper Clips Slow $1,121,744 43 $25,535 5 11/24/04
68 The U.S. Vs. John Lennon LGF $1,109,146 65 $69,143 6 9/15/06
69 Leonard Cohen I'm Your Man LGF $1,044,254 55 $17,130 1 6/21/06
70 The Eyes of Tammy Faye Lions $1,029,591 51 $46,111 9 7/21/00
71 35 Up Gold. $922,872 21 $13,690 1 1/15/92
72 The War Room Oct. $901,668 21 $15,264 1 11/3/93
73 Jesus Camp Magn. $885,182 52 $17,659 13 9/15/06
74 Fast, Cheap and Out of Control SPC $878,960 40 $23,665 2 10/3/97
75 Marlene Aliv $852,676 6 $14,490 1 11/7/86
76 Ballets Russes Zeit. $815,848 21 $12,230 1 10/26/05
77 Visions of Light Kino $799,856 13 $27,761 2 2/24/93
78 Trembling Before G-d NYer $788,896 8 $21,410 1 10/24/01
79 To Be and to Have NYer $777,129 14 $20,528 3 9/19/03
80 Listen Up: The Lives of Quincy Jones WB $776,699 111 $99,740 26 10/5/90
81 The Girl Next Door (2000) Indic. $771,712 5 $25,807 5 4/14/00
82 For All Mankind Apol. $770,132 9 $33,777 6 11/1/89
83 First Descent Uni. $750,805 243 $438,615 243 12/2/05
84 Lost in La Mancha IFC $732,393 24 $63,303 8 1/31/03
85 The Big One Mira. $720,074 53 $146,909 33 4/10/98
86 Inside Deep Throat Uni. $691,880 27 $88,709 12 2/11/05
87 Wigstock: The Movie Gold. $686,152 30 $35,563 3 6/9/95
88 Kurt and Courtney Roxie $668,228 12 $16,835 1 2/27/98
89 Dust to Glory IFC $640,013 80 $15,757 2 4/1/05
90 Pumping Iron 2: The Women Cinc $628,050 - n/a - 5/3/85
91 Going Upriver: The Long War of John Kerry Think $614,138 163 $279,219 163 10/1/04
92 The Filth and the Fury FL $612,192 29 $13,305 1 3/29/00
93 Gunner Palace Palm $607,844 56 $63,520 8 3/4/05
94 Road Scholar Gold. $597,564 16 $8,635 1 7/16/93
95 Tarnation Wells $592,014 22 $12,740 1 10/6/04
96 Powaqqatsi Can. $589,244 22 $27,899 1 4/29/88
97 Tibet: Cry of the Snow Lion AL $578,241 15 $9,482 1 9/19/03
98 The Weather Underground Shad. $564,632 14 $13,984 1 6/4/03
99 Hands on a Hard Body Prov. $563,482 6 $7,607 1 7/10/98
100 Incident at Oglala Mira. $536,848 12 $19,070 3 5/8/92

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm



The webpage is easier to read. Forgive my inability to properly post it here
 
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LashL said:
No $20 million budget, no $2 million budget like AJ "heard" from his "inside sources"; no March release in theatres; Do-Over has apparently deluded himself into thinking that it will actually be shown at Cannes; FC will be "monumentally different" than the last do-over because they're "literally almost triple checking every sentence, ya know"; ISI, Mineta "all the hard stuff"; he's working with "real luminaries" in the bidnizz (cough); he and his fellow twoofers have been "demonized" by the media; and he doesn't want to compete with Spiderman 3.
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What a shame. Dylan was saying that that would be the actual budget. I wanted to see how fast they were going to go down! The March release (NOT!) in theatres, that was a given. Triple checking every sentence means that there's no film to see and don't forget the Simpsons movie!

****Big Simpsons fan****
 
beachnut said:
Why does LCF have all the real smart people?




Un-debunk-able! I suppose hearsay is kind of un-debunk-able. How can you prove what someone said was not what someone said when they said it?

I believe LC:FC will be unfactable, or totalitarifactless.

When will some of these CT people wake up to the illusion they suffer?

(I can not believe how undebunkable most of the loyal LCF people are.)
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Every time Do Over Dylan creates something un-debunk-able, baby Popper cries.

Dylan, won't you please think of poor Karl?
 
If this is going to be 'undebunkable' then why in hell are they making it into some YouTube vid (cos you know that's what it'll be) instead of handing all the evidence in to the law? Or are the law also 'the man'? If so, who would they expect to deal with the issue? Are they thinking that somebody (though Ed knows who) will spot in on't net and kick up a stink?
Feh, these people are simply playing a game of detective and movie maker. And not doing it well.
 
sat556 said:
If this is going to be 'undebunkable' then why in hell are they making it into some YouTube vid (cos you know that's what it'll be) instead of handing all the evidence in to the law? Or are the law also 'the man'? If so, who would they expect to deal with the issue? Are they thinking that somebody (though Ed knows who) will spot in on't net and kick up a stink?
Feh, these people are simply playing a game of detective and movie maker. And not doing it well.
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Indeed. If he had 'undebunkable' info he'd submit it for peer-review at an engineering journal. But he won't.
 
Dylan's self-created mess...

chipmunk stew said:
I honestly can't tell if Dylan is really as delusional as he appears or if he is merely trying desperately to milk the moment, knowing it's the only shot he's ever going to get.
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My hunch, based on very little, is that Dylan is caught a in trap of his own making. He built this little film on a scaffold of balsa wood and airplane glue, and it rose up and became a living, breathing, monster.

I had a similar experience with my little project to entertain my command 10 years ago...a weekly series on the 55th anniversary of World War II. It entertained 34 bored US and New Zealand military personnel and their civilian supporters during a long winter. Now it's got nearly 180 subscribers and I get regular e-mails from folks around the world, complimenting me, criticizing me, or berating me. They all want to know when I'll add the next chapter. Given that I have a full-time job, a full-time family, no financial support for this project, and even less time, I can't give a definitive answer. I just added a chapter, though.

At the same time, the page has also resulted in my getting angry denunciations...from guys who say I dishonored the Italian Army, a nutter who is convinced he met flying ace Douglas Bader in a Liverpool hotel in 1942, (Bader was actually in Colditz at the time), and accusations of plagiarism and internet sock-puppetry. One guy even told me the world would be a better place if I was dead. To his credit, he publicly and privately apologized and sincerely regrets that remark. I haven't forgiven him.

And that's just a day-by-day history of World War II. The biggest thing I'm saying is that the Nazis were bad. (And yes, I've had a few angry notes from neo-Nazis)

I suspect Mr. Avery is having similar problems, only on a grander scale, given the nature of his project and the equally bizarre nature of his fans and supporters. To make his life tougher, his film revealed his cluelessness, and succeeded mostly in angering a lot of honorable people, ranging from structural engineers to firefighters. If he pulls out of this debacle, admitting he made a fatuous mess of the truth, he alienates his supporters. If he sticks to his increasingly idiotic program, he only draws more flak and embarrassment from the world.

He really has no way out. At some levels, he reminds me of Joe McCarthy back in 1950...endlessly promising that list of Communists, and never really delivering. When McCarthy took the Senate floor to read the dossiers, it was clear he was reading them for the first time, and had no idea what was in them. Worse, many of the files of these Communists showed they were not. Some were empty. A few were duplicates. Some of them concerned guys who had applied for jobs and never actually been hired. One guy was described by McCarthy as being "the exact opposite of what I am discussing. This man is a patriotic American."

I think Dylan will have the same scene when and if his movie appears.

He's probably better off not actually releasing it. The longer he keeps the public guessing and in suspense, the more attention he can get, and the more he can waffle, dodge, and raise funds. The bottom line is the bottom line.
 
I agree with Kiwiwriter. Dylan has no options for a graceful exit from the stage. He'll either release the movie and get savaged by the world or not release the movie and get savaged by the truthers. Either way, there's a savaging in his future, and his current strategy seems to be to delay it as long as possible.
 
Option B would at least leave him with the possibility of going outside without being laughed at or stoned. I think he should just dump the project and get on with his life.

TAM
 
jhunter1163 said:
I agree with Kiwiwriter. Dylan has no options for a graceful exit from the stage. He'll either release the movie and get savaged by the world or not release the movie and get savaged by the truthers. Either way, there's a savaging in his future, and his current strategy seems to be to delay it as long as possible.
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Seeing as how, the twoofers only type in a basement,I know which I would pick!
 
There are some new details in The Guardian today.

Someone called Tim Sparke of MercuryMedia is handling international distribution.

Avery & Co have apparently "employed lawyers to iron out copyright issues with borrowed footage, commissioned 3D graphics from Germany, and recruited a theology professor to act as fact-checker and consultant."

Who would this theology professor be, I wonder?
 
Matthew Best said:
There are some new details in The Guardian today.

Someone called Tim Sparke of MercuryMedia is handling international distribution.

Avery & Co have apparently "employed lawyers to iron out copyright issues with borrowed footage, commissioned 3D graphics from Germany, and recruited a theology professor to act as fact-checker and consultant."

Who would this theology professor be, I wonder?
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Snippets from the article :

"They are putting together LC:FC using an upgraded Power Mac G5 (price $5000)" ( Peter Jackson eat your heart out :D )

".... they hope ... cinema release date on the sixth anniversary of 9/11"
 
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