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Yet another Killtown expose....

skunkrider said:
Arus808, why did you delete the comments on your myspace where you were corrected in your false claim that Van de Velde was cleared from the case?


http://www.skunkrider.de/files/thetruth/dani-girl.jovin.jpg
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In 2001, the Hartford Courant published an 8000 word Sunday magazine story on the case, written by the then Courant Metro Section editor, Les Gura, which won the Neiman Prize at Harvard University for fairness in journalism. It argued that the case was badly handled by the police, Yale and the media, and raised serious doubts about the logic of suspecting Van de Velde of any involvement in the crime
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Van de Velde left Yale and was reported in the Yale Daily News as having successfully undergone an investigation to renew his security clearance and gone to work for the Pentagon. Van de Velde never lost his Top Secret Department of Defense security clearance, despite an extensive review of the case by both the Naval Criminal Investigative Service and the Defense Security Service of the Department of Defense. Further still, Van de Velde took and passed the State Department Foreign Service exam in 2001, prompting another investigation of the case which resulted in another Top Secret clearance afforded him by the US Department of State. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanne...s_Van_de_Velde

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Three days after the murder, New Haven police spoke to Van de Velde, but declined his offers to let them search his home, take a DNA sample, or take a polygraph exam (they did dust his car for fingerprints; their findings provided no link).
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Subsequent tests of material taken from beneath her fingernails revealed DNA that did not match Van de Velde’s, that of her boyfriend, any other friend or acquaintance, or any emergency worker who tried to save her.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...mQxMzIyMzYwZjE=
 
skunkrider said:
Arus808, why did you delete the comments on your myspace where you were corrected in your false claim that Van de Velde was cleared from the case?
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because I can delete any comments that I feel are untrue.

ITs my blog and I can do with it as I please

The fact that you have to bring it up here, shows yet again how [rule8]ing juvenile you troofers are.

Oh and please delete my image (avatar) off your site and from the posted images. They belong to me and are my copyright, and you are using them without permission.
 
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skunkrider said:
exactly where are killtown or roxdog asking anybody for money?

please show us some evidence for that outrageous claim.
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my mistake. AT least I can admit that was a mistake on my part. So what if they aren't asking for money? its still a profile made without the permission of her family and using her image without her permission, and of course you little [rule8]s don't own the copyrights to. Im not going around claiming that because her paper about OBL was what got her killed. Im not going around blaming someone for her murder when he was cleared of it (through DNA testing). I dont know what freaking world you live in, but a person is always cleared of a crime (its called being innocent), until evidence found proves them guilty. IF the police hasn't charged anything against him in the last 7 years, that means HE's INNOCENT.

Guess in your fairy tale world, you live, everyone's guilty until proven innocent.
 
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Gravy said:
The explanation is that you're a childish liar. I corrected you about this in October. Why do you constantly lie, TC? Is it that you cannot, or that you will not, stop? Are you in control of your behavior? If not, please seek the help of mental health professionals ASAP.



How many times are you going to lie about that, TC? Don't you know that habitual lying is a sign of mental illness?

I think you're eating humble pie.

Remember, TC, "Truth" does not mean "Lying."


Now, tell us what the Somerset County Coroner, the flight 93 DMORT leader, and the chief scientific forensics advisor to the flight 93 investigation told you when you advised them that they didn't collect and identify the remains of flight 93's passengers and crew.

It's been a few weeks since I gave you their contact information. Or are you the coward that I suspect you are?
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1) What is the wingspan of the crater Gravy?

2) Do you think all the eyewitnesses (on record) are lying? (If so you're going be even more upset in the very near future)

Capt. Frank Monaco:
“The gouge was 8 to 10 feet deep and 15 to 20 feet long, said Capt. Frank Monaco of the Pennsylvania State Police. “
(AP, 9/12/01 e)
http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2...91201s69779.htm

Other early accounts about the depth are:
The plane left a crater 20 feet wide and 15 feet deep.
(Plain Dealer, 9/12/01)

Reporters said the crater was about 40 feet wide and more than 8 feet deep.
(Los Angeles Times, 9/12/01)

The impact of the crash left a crater estimated by authorities to be about 10 feet deep and 20 feet wide. [/b]
(Cox, 9/12/01)

Only one early estimation is higher:
“Pittsburgh's WTAE-TV reporter Michelle Wright toured the crash scene and said that a crater of about 30 to 40 feet long, 15 to 20 feet wide and 18 feet deep was created by the crash.”
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/956371/detail.html


3) Wally Miller said in September that he still has the remains and that they are unidentified. He has them in 3 caskets. He has not released them nor will he until he feels they will be appropriately treated. That being said, 8% of the number of passengers would be about 3 people. So how did ALL of the passengers get identified in VA?
 
Right, right, so when do we get to the part where you show us that you actually care about the family?
 
TC329 said:
1) What is the wingspan of the crater Gravy?

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Aircraft and birds have wingspas. Craters do not.
What has this got to do with the murder of a grad student?
Does changing the subject make you think you have made a point or produced evidence of any kind?
Are you as stupid as you appear to be?
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
This thread is not about Flight 93, please take it to an existing thread on that subject.
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Yet another example of CTists inability to concentrate and focus. They seem to have attention deficit disorder issues. Their inability to remain focused on one issue could be key to their tendency to believe CTs. The lack of ability to concentrate may prevent them from doing the necessary detailed research to perform critical thinking. They then get frustrated and tend to reach conclusions before all the facts are known. For example, they see WTC7 fall, they will reach a conclusion on cause simply based on what it looks like.
 
Yet another example of CTists inability to concentrate and focus. They seem to have attention deficit disorder issues. Their inability to remain focused on one issue could be key to their tendency to believe CTs. The lack of ability to concentrate may prevent them from doing the necessary detailed research to perform critical thinking. They then get frustrated and tend to reach conclusions before all the facts are known. For example, they see WTC7 fall, they will reach a conclusion on cause simply based on what it looks like.
 
Well forgive me for your ignorance. As I recall Beachnut drove that offtopic by bringing up the issue regarding the facts surrounding 9/11. (which has nothing to do with this thread)

So I replied to Beachnut. (One of you .....how can you be called "skeptics" if you believe what is told to you? Shouldn't my side be considered the skeptic side? Are you victims of doublethink?)

Then Gravy felt the need to further drive this thread off topic by replying to my comments to beachnut.

Beachnut and Gravys actions are acceptable and mine are not. Yeah alright.......


I just want Gravy to say that PA State Police Captain is either unable to assess a crime scene or a flat out liar. I also want him to publicly state to the best of his estimates how big this crater is. And perhaps what perception of what angle it impacted the ground at by looking at all the available photogrpahic and video evidence.
 
TC329 said:
1) What is the wingspan of the crater Gravy?
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The wings impact was exactly the wingspan of a 757! You can see on the photos but you are way too lazy to learn or understand how to scale things.

You mention nothing but size of hole from witnesses which support a 757 hit. You are unable to think, unable to understand, unable to understand the impact of the wings have been presented but you are too lazy to look an learn.

You must be of very poor at understanding. Either look at the photos and tell me why the wing impact matches a 757?

You are just a simple CTer with no facts.

If Killtown would decouple 9/11 from the murder it would work. But we can see him lie and tell everyone around the net that the murder is related to 9/11 without facts.

Sorry you are wrong about killtown and the wings! Are you ever correct on any subject?
 
did you get the family's permission to put up that page on myspace?
did you get the family's permission to use her images on that page?
Why did Killtown spam so many sites with his blog about her murder which is totally opposite of what you are claiming now? Why did he edit that information out of the myspace page?

You're not bringing any awareness to her unsolved murder. The only attention you want out of her case is to focus on one minute, insignificant detail (her thesis paper).

If she didn't write a paper about OBL or anything remotely related to 911 would you guys have put up that myspace profile? Dont even answer yes, because that would be a lie.
 
TC329 said:
My idea of caring about the family : Raising awareness about their daughters death to many people who know nothing about it.

Your idea of caring about the family : Shutting up and letting her memory fade away.
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Excuse me?

Are you being serious, what possible motive could I or anybody else for that matter have for not wanting the killer of this young lady brought to justice?

What possible motive would anybody have at all in not supporting a campaign to make people aware of this dreadful event?

You seem to view everybody here as though they are inhuman.

Let me spell this out to you boy, nobody does not want to see the killer of the girl brought to justice, nobody is that inhuman that they do not care. People here care more than you and your petty little vendetta against this forum.

Your total inability to see why people have objected is pathetic as is the silly gutter language you use.

Grow up boy, do it soon, you are making a complete fool of yourself.
 
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beachnut said:
Sorry you are wrong about killtown and the wings! Are you ever correct on any subject?
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beach please stay on topic. this is about Killtowns disgusting behavior and his "fake" concern over Suzanne Jovin. Not flight 93.
 
TC329 said:
My idea of caring about the family : Raising awareness about their daughters death to many people who know nothing about it.

Your idea of caring about the family : Shutting up and letting her memory fade away.
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I didn't ask you what your idea for caring for the family was. I asked you to care about their feelings. Maybe my question was unfair, let me be more clear.


1) Do you agree with the myspace page that Killtown/Roxdog created w/o the permission of the family? Is this ok with you? Should the family have been contacted first?

2) Let's assume you were in charge of the myspace page, and the family contacted you and asked you to remove it, would you?
 
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