Another WTC 7 Conspiracy Theory

njslim said:
Get a load of this posted over at the "SCREW LOOSE CHANGE" forum -
it from the goose steeping cretins at the National Vanguard, a neo
nazi, anti Semitie group. It has the Air Force fighters dispatched to
New York on the morning of 9/11 hitting the building with their missiles -
of course all this has been covered up .


http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=10058
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This page looks just like something Killtown would make. The author has gathered pics, an overview map, and transcripts to support his idea that a missile missed WTC 6 and hit WTC 7.

A lot of people are overwhelmed by a professional presentation and fall for the dumb underlying concept.
 
skunkrider said:
...the coincidental failure of the whole american airborne military.
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Why don't you tell exactly what should have happened and back it up with evidence. Tell us about the military protocols that were in place prior to 9/11/2001 along with the evidence describing them along with links proving their existence.
 
jon said:
What always amazes me is how the type of people who think their race is somehow superior are often so embarassingly, jaw-droppingly, cringe-makingly stupid. How anyone can claim that the NWO used planes to fire missiles into the building, in central NY, without anyone noticing... How anyone can claim this, and still, with a straight face, claim to be an example of a superior race, that's just beyond me - maybe if you're stupid enough you don't even realise your own stupidity?

Are you sure it's not satire (a Landover Baptist Church type thing)?
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Today's Neo-Nazis Have No Respect For Tradition

It's true, the Onion has an article for everything!
 
skunkrider said:
wtc 7 + the coincidental failure of the whole american airborne military.
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There is no coincidence. The entire American air defense system operated on 9/11/01 exactly the way it was designed to. It protected the US from enemy aircraft and missiles launched from outside the United States. It kept all Russian bombers grounded. It kept all Chinese nukes in their silos. It kept every North Korean warship well away from the coast of the US and all of its terratories. Oh, and it also kept safe dozens and dozens of our allies, many of whom haven't bothered to even have an air defense system for the last several decades.

What people forget (and what really annoys me) is that the conventional wisdom on September 10, 2001 was that the events of September 11, 2001 were impossible. Our air defenses didn't fail anymore than our immigration policies failed, or cooperation between the FBI and the CIA failed, or the system by which intelligence makes its way to the President failed, or communications between police and firefighters in New York City failed.

We got tagged. Deal with it.
 
skunkrider said:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ml_n5gJgQ_U

debunk that :)
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DEBUNKED! Your robot CTer idiot video is wrong as are all CTers for 9/11 "truth (lies)".

You need to work this out for yourself and you can cure your terminal stupidity (TS) in the process! Go find a video of WTC7 that other CTers have not speed up yet! Next use your head to figure out something for yourself. This is the first step to be cured from TS.

For example I found a video of WTC7 falling. I counted from the time the top began to fall to the time the building disappeared behind other buildings to be 7 (seven) seconds.

7 seconds! That would be 787 feet falling due to gravity! Our WTC7 (the old one) was only 570 feet high. We have also missing seconds when the building was still falling because other buildings are hiding the building hitting the ground. Plus we ignored the other side penthouse collapsing for several seconds earlier. So WTC7 took longer than free fall!

By the way 6 seconds would be 578 feet of free fall. Again WTC7 slower than free fall.

So your video is debunked and just a CTer telling lies to dolts who will believe anything as long as it supports some CT junk.

No you should go find a video to check the idiot video you posted. Then you can check it out yourself and prove you have made a mistake and you will be cured of TS.

Good luck. (do you know any CTers with a fact?)
 
skunkrider said:
stop evading and explain the physical proof that wtc 7 collapsed partly in free fall speed
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Please present your momentum transfer calculations showing how much resistance the lower floors of WTC7 would have provided. I have mine, I'd like to see if you somehow come up with anything different. Thanks.
 
Okay help me out here. Even with controlled demolition - the building can not fall faster than free fall........yes???

And does anyone else keep seeing the face of Drey Carey sidekick Oswald Lee Harvey whenever the narrator draws breath?
 
MG1962 said:
Okay help me out here. Even with controlled demolition - the building can not fall faster than free fall........yes???
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The insane claim the video makes is that controlled demolition creates a rather large vacuum that sucks the building toward the ground faster than gravity itself would allow.
 
The insane claim the video makes is that controlled demolition creates a rather large vacuum that sucks the building toward the ground faster than gravity itself would allow
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Thanks I just wanted to make sure I wasn't loosing my marbles lol
 
njslim said:
Trying to debunk the usual range of off the wall conspiracies concerning WTC 7 ( Ie. No plane hit the building, it was a star wars death beam,
Larry Silverman ordered the building pulled, etc) is difficult enough

Get a load of this posted over at the "SCREW LOOSE CHANGE" forum -
it from the goose steeping cretins at the National Vanguard, a neo
nazi, anti Semitie group. It has the Air Force fighters dispatched to
New York on the morning of 9/11 hitting the building with their missiles -
of course all this has been covered up .


http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=10058

Maybe should put these clowns in touch with several of my co-workers,
who were in WTC 7 that morning and ran for their lives.
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Holy cow! Carlos' and Latin's magical flying hat again! Will it never end? Notice the doubled building edges in the pictures. They are from some transmisison of that film where there were either transmission-line reflections or an overdone edge-enhancement at work. Any of this makes distinct edges appear doubled or multiplied, but more importantly, it plays havoc with fuzzy contours. I think BlueMonk still have some clear versions of the same film on his site. All I have is a cutout from one of the frames, below, but a sensible analysis of this shot shows that the blurred object is much nearer to the camara than the tower, and that it travels horizontally along the street. Its shape and movements are consistent with a large bird, and indeed other clips from different angles, but showing roughty the same area reveal no strange object near the tower but several crow-like birds flying in the foreground.

Hans
 

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skunkrider said:
stop evading and explain the physical proof that wtc 7 collapsed partly in free fall speed
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There is little to explain. The building collapsed on its bottom floors, and it should be expected to fall very close to free fall speed. If it were to fall much slower, it would require tremendous braking forces being transmitted up through the descending building, and it would most likely start to disintegrate.

The top parts of the towers did disintegrate during the collapse, and a more sequential break-down progressed downwards as the encreasing weight of wreckage bore down on the lower parts of the building. Hence the somewhat slower progress.

Hans
 
skunkrider said:
stop evading and explain the physical proof that wtc 7 collapsed partly in free fall speed
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I don't think that timing a video playing on a computer is all that accurate a way to measure the time it took to collapse. I could be wrong because I don't work with video or anything; but that just strikes me as an unreliable way to do that.

Shouldn't you find the frame rate of the original video and count frame by frame to figure out the speed? That would seem to me to be more accurate.

Sorry that's a derail anyway.

To stay on subject, the way these theories work is anything you can imagine can be considered true. It is up to others to prove to you that things you imagine did not happen. I really don't see how the F-15 missile theory is that much crazier than the largest controlled demolition in history being conducted completely in secret theory.
 
Loss Leader said:
There is no coincidence. The entire American air defense system operated on 9/11/01 exactly the way it was designed to. It protected the US from enemy aircraft and missiles launched from outside the United States. It kept all Russian bombers grounded. It kept all Chinese nukes in their silos. It kept every North Korean warship well away from the coast of the US and all of its terratories. Oh, and it also kept safe dozens and dozens of our allies, many of whom haven't bothered to even have an air defense system for the last several decades.

What people forget (and what really annoys me) is that the conventional wisdom on September 10, 2001 was that the events of September 11, 2001 were impossible. Our air defenses didn't fail anymore than our immigration policies failed, or cooperation between the FBI and the CIA failed, or the system by which intelligence makes its way to the President failed, or communications between police and firefighters in New York City failed.

We got tagged. Deal with it.
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Absolutely. If we HAD been exceptionally strong at immigration screening and airport security, then the terrorists simply would have found a different weakness, and exploited THAT.
 
skunkrider said:
stop evading and explain the physical proof that wtc 7 collapsed partly in free fall speed
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You are about 3 hours of class time shy of being able to formulate a coherent physics question. Of course then you wouldn't need to ask.
 
Tirdun said:
You are about 3 hours of class time shy of being able to formulate a coherent physics question. Of course then you wouldn't need to ask.
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Well, three hours of class time, and a functional cerebral cortex also.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
The insane claim the video makes is that controlled demolition creates a rather large vacuum that sucks the building toward the ground faster than gravity itself would allow.
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Has anyone calculated the affect the air pressure would have if this were actually true? Would the pressure from above really be enough to speed the fall that much over and above normal acceleration? Also, why wouldn't the sides of the building be affected?
 
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