Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Hi Sling, I am very much aware that there are wolves in sheeps clothing out there. I don't walk around with blinders on, but I choose to love even when I know I can't always, or maybe even never trust people.

I have learned and always believed people let eachother down, but God never will. We may not always see the blessing in the storms of life, but trusting and believing God is the one thing we all must do.

If we can't trust God then this world may as well fold, just give up now and die because without God there is no purpose to anything.

What an incredibly borderline-nihilistic outlook on life.

 

[slingblade]

Hi Sling, I am very much aware that there are wolves in sheeps clothing out there. I don't walk around with blinders on, but I choose to love even when I know I can't always, or maybe even never trust people.

Trusting people without knowing them and whether they are deserving of trust is stupid. But I need no god to inform me of that.

I have learned and always believed people let eachother down, but God never will. We may not always see the blessing in the storms of life, but trusting and believing God is the one thing we all must do.

So it's okay with you that the man, the real man, I described above is a minister now?

It's okay with you that he bought a piece of paper off the Internet for $50 that says he's a minister, and that's all he's got in the way of credentials?

It's okay with you that he owns his own church, a real church, with pews and an organ and hymnals and collection plates?

It's okay with you that he has never told a soul here about his past, never confessed his sins, and that everyone who trusts him now can do so only because he's been dishonest with them--the opposite of "trustworthy?"

Well, hey, it is apparently all right with God, so who am I to question his obvious good taste in shepherds, hmmm?

If we can't trust God then this world may as well fold, just give up now and die because without God there is no purpose to anything.

You can trust God exactly as you can trust Santa Claus.

I'd rather place my limited and highly guarded trust in real flesh-and-blood people I can see. And whom I can sue if they screw me over. When "God" screws you over, there's no recourse.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy
Hi Sling, I am very much aware that there are wolves in sheeps clothing out there. I don't walk around with blinders on, but I choose to love even when I know I can't always, or maybe even never trust people.

I have learned and always believed people let eachother down, but God never will. We may not always see the blessing in the storms of life, but trusting and believing God is the one thing we all must do.

If we can't trust God then this world may as well fold, just give up now and die because without God there is no purpose to anything.

What an incredibly borderline-nihilistic outlook on life.

How is that nihilistic?:

1. total rejection of established laws and institutions.
2. anarchy, terrorism, or other revolutionary activity.
3. total and absolute destructiveness, esp. toward the world at large and including oneself: the power-mad nihilism that marked Hitler's last years.
4. Philosophy. a. an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
b. nothingness or nonexistence.

5. (sometimes initial capital letter) the principles of a Russian revolutionary group, active in the latter half of the 19th century, holding that existing social and political institutions must be destroyed in order to clear the way for a new state of society and employing extreme measures, including terrorism and assassination.
6. annihilation of the self, or the individual consciousness, esp. as an aspect of mystical experience.

 

[Huntster]

....I'd rather place my limited and highly guarded trust in real flesh-and-blood people I can see. And whom I can sue if they screw me over....

Wow. How comforting.

The "law." Lawyers.

If you've been screwed over and you run to the lawyers, you must be a glutton for punishment............

..........Or you've never done that before and don't know any better.........

When "God" screws you over, there's no recourse.

Did you ask your lawyer about that?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

How is that nihilistic?:

I said borderline, and I was implying the casual use if nihilism, not the dictionary use:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nihilism

The only thing keeping her from that, "just give up now and die because without God there is no purpose to any" is her belief in a deity.

 

[drkitten]

If we can't trust God then this world may as well fold, just give up now and die because without God there is no purpose to anything.

What an incredibly borderline-nihilistic outlook on life.

How is that nihilistic?

Your own dictionary provides the answer.

Quote:
4. Philosophy. a. an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
b. nothingness or nonexistence.


6. annihilation of the self, or the individual consciousness, esp. as an aspect of mystical experience.
:

 

[Tricky]

I have learned and always believed people let eachother down, but God never will.

God will never let you down if you take the position that whatever He does, it's okay. But if you were thinking God wouldn't let you have a back injury, well then He let you down.

 

[bluess]

Wow.

See, I believe I can trust people and believe in them. Mr.Blue has never let me down in 24 years. I have friends that I would trust with my child - which I assure you requires an extraordinary amount of trust.

But you can't trust anyone, kk? How sad. Why doesn't your god fix that for you?

Sling, as always, I would be honored to buy an ice cream sundae with the works on it for someone who has come through everything you have and STILL can be hopeful.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
How is that nihilistic?:

I said borderline, and I was implying the casual use if nihilism, not the dictionary use:

Huh.

I just got suspended for a week for "casually" using a "casual" term referring to feces.

That word (which I will not repeat) can be found defined here.

I used it properly (according to it's defined meaning), even if casually.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster

If we can't trust God then this world may as well fold, just give up now and die because without God there is no purpose to anything.

What an incredibly borderline-nihilistic outlook on life.

How is that nihilistic?

Your own dictionary provides the answer.

4. Philosophy. a. an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
b. nothingness or nonexistence.

How can that be when she clearly wrote this (which I included in my post, but you interestingly emitted from yours)?:

Hi Sling, I am very much aware that there are wolves in sheeps clothing out there. I don't walk around with blinders on, but I choose to love even when I know I can't always, or maybe even never trust people....

 

[kurious_kathy]

God will never let you down if you take the position that whatever He does, it's okay. But if you were thinking God wouldn't let you have a back injury, well then He let you down.

Who am I to question what God allowed or allows in my life? He's in control, not me. And He has pulled me through pretty well so far. We all make choices and sometimes that means consequences as well. For me I can tell others I have learned from my painful past that the deeds of the flesh or living worldly truly can and do catch up with a person. Gods grace and mercy showed me the way to trun my life and my will over to his care. I no longer live my life to please myself, but I want to please and serve God.

Better to become a friend of God than to be His enemy. People don't realize we are on the wrong side of right without Christ. He's the one that saves us from our three enemies. Do you remember what Christianity teaches are our three main enemies? Let me refresh your memory if you have forgotten...
The world, the flesh, and the devil. We fight battles with all three constantly.

The truth for Christians is we know we can't win the battle for our soul, only Christ can. That's why we know what scripture teaches us is true, "Greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world."

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy
I have learned and always believed people let eachother down, but God never will.

God will never let you down if you take the position that whatever He does, it's okay.....

Are you married?

Do you know the "rules"?:

1) The wife is always right.
2) When the wife is wrong, see rule #1.

God is God. Whatever position He takes is "right", even if Mrs. Huntster doesn't think so (yup; He even trumps Her..................)

 

[Sybarite]

God will never let you down if you take the position that whatever He does, it's okay. But if you were thinking God wouldn't let you have a back injury, well then He let you down.

Note: God will never actually let you down because he (or she) never promises anything.
When I was a christian, God never promised jack all to me.

 

[Garrette]

God is God. Whatever position He takes is "right", even if Mrs. Huntster doesn't think so (yup; He even trumps Her..................)

Ah. So you take the arbitrary side of the Euthrypho question. "Goodness" isn't intrinsically good; it is only good because the guy with the biggest muscle says so.

 

[Paulhoff]

Why did Hitler live so long?

Because there is no god.

Paul

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
God is God. Whatever position He takes is "right", even if Mrs. Huntster doesn't think so (yup; He even trumps Her..................)

Ah. So you take the arbitrary side of the Euthrypho question.

I take the unknowing side of Euthropho's question.

"Goodness" isn't intrinsically good; it is only good because the guy with the biggest muscle says so.

Nope.

"Goodness" isn't intrinsically good; it is only good when the guy with the authority to define it says so.

I'm not that guy, and neither are you.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy
Why did Hitler live so long?

Because there is no god.

What does that have to do with it?

He lived as long as he did because nobody killed him beforehand (despite attempts to do so).

That's like the old joke about the health nut asking the 99 year old man why he was able to live so long. The answer:

"I attribute that to the fact that I haven't died yet."

 

[Garrette]

I take the unknowing side of Euthropho's question.

That's fair.

"Goodness" isn't intrinsically good; it is only good when the guy with the authority to define it says so.

So being good because it's the right thing to do is just a euphemism for "do this or you're in trouble." Got it.

I'm not that guy, and neither are you.

I'm glad it's not me. Equally glad it's not you. Not convinced it's anyone else, though.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
"Goodness" isn't intrinsically good; it is only good when the guy with the authority to define it says so.

So being good because it's the right thing to do is just a euphemism for "do this or you're in trouble." Got it.

Apparently you don't "got it".

"Being good because it's the right thing to do" as defined by whom? You?

Somebody else might not consider that so "good" (as clearly outlined in this forum).

And if you "do this or you're in trouble", you might find yourself in trouble anyway, right?

So just what is it you've "got"?

Originally Posted by Huntster
I'm not that guy, and neither are you.

I'm glad it's not me. Equally glad it's not you. Not convinced it's anyone else, though.

Convinced:

verb (used with object), -vinced, -vinc·ing.
1. to move by argument or evidence to belief, agreement, consent, or a course of action: to convince a jury of his guilt; A test drive will convince you that this car handles well.
2. to persuade; cajole: We finally convinced them to have dinner with us.
3. Obsolete. to prove or find guilty.
4. Obsolete. to overcome; vanquish.

Too bad. I am.

So does your lack of "belief, agreement, consent, or a course of action" make you more or less "good" than me?

Vice versa?

 

[kmortis]

Are you married?

Do you know the "rules"?:

1) The wife is always right.
2) When the wife is wrong, see rule #1.

God is God. Whatever position He takes is "right", even if Mrs. Huntster doesn't think so (yup; He even trumps Her..................)

See, this is tipping your hand. You're really an atheist playacting at being a theist. All us married guys know that our wimmin could trump God. If for no other reason than proximity. Let's face it, after all these years, the Ol' Boy's aim with the lightning bolt isn't as accurate as Mama Mortis's with that frying pan. Cast iron hurts!