Jesus vs. The Mighty Redwood

The neat thing about the walking redwood is that there could be so many more relics to sell ("Now all your clothes can be Holy and Blessed from lying in Our Saviors Chest!" ):D :D :jaw-dropp
 
Kopji said:
A more typical one is a local Hopi practice that gets me torqued off. Some of their worship practices require young eagle feathers. Unfortunately the feathers are usually in use by eaglets. They have the religious right to go onto federal land and kill a certain amount of eagle chicks every year. I am not very sympathetic to this, which is probably rather un-pc since we are all supposed to love Native American religious ritual. I recall a story of a ranger a couple years ago camping out near an eagle nest she was protecting from 'being gathered'.
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When I was living in Groote Eylandt (http://users.bigpond.com/mjantke), working for BHP, I saw aborigines hunting turtles and dugong. These animals where endangered. What annoyed me the most was the fact that each aborigine on the island got money from the mine and there was no need to hunt these animals
 
simon dalton said:
The problem happens beacause people think the Bible is true. A lot of people are still living in the past. Some people still believe the earth is flat, because it says so in the Bible.

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

These people are still living in the past
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Have you actually checked out the website? If I remember the founder was a nut but he has died and would probably be turning in his grave if he was alive today and seen what his dream has become.
 
The Atheist said:
Trees never move of their own accord.
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Although it's not technically a tree, but the banana "tree" can "walk" up to 3 meters in it's lifetime. And most plants are capable of some movement (bending towards the light etc), even if they cannot uproot themselves.
Now if I where a devout Redwoodist I would take this as absolute proof, and certainly more valid than anything the Christians have.
 
Mr Clingford said:
Have you actually checked out the website? If I remember the founder was a nut but he has died and would probably be turning in his grave if he was alive today and seen what his dream has become.
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I am at work and did a quick google. If I had spent a bit more time I would have used a better URL. Here are the main quotes

Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

The point that I was trying to make though is that people want to create a belief system based around a book (that they claim is never wrong) instead of proper science
 
simon dalton said:
I am at work and did a quick google. If I had spent a bit more time I would have used a better URL. Here are the main quotes

Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

The point that I was trying to make though is that people want to create a belief system based around a book (that they claim is never wrong) instead of proper science
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Do you know of any people who believe the Earth is flat because of the Bible as I am not aware of any.
 
Mr Clingford said:
Do you know of any people who believe the Earth is flat because of the Bible as I am not aware of any.
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Mr Clingford - at the risk of being accused of avoiding the question....

I was asked a question (pharasing now)...people are smatter now then in past so why do they still believe in the bible. To which I was responding that some people see the bible is a factural piece of evidence instead of being just a book

Perhaps I could have used a better example, but the point remains the same
 
simon dalton said:
Mr Clingford - at the risk of being accused of avoiding the question....

I was asked a question (pharasing now)...people are smatter now then in past so why do they still believe in the bible. To which I was responding that some people see the bible is a factural piece of evidence instead of being just a book

Perhaps I could have used a better example, but the point remains the same
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Ok, I will let you off this time! Creationism, of course, works well as an example.

I'm not sure what you mean by smarter but certainly people are much more knowledgeable now.

The Bible is a factual piece of evidence, just not scientific evidence.
 
Mr Clingford said:
Ok, I will let you off this time! Creationism, of course, works well as an example.

I'm not sure what you mean by smarter but certainly people are much more knowledgeable now..
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As I stated I was pharasing....Perhaps a better way to say it amy have been - we have access to more knowledge now then before

Mr Clingford said:
The Bible is a factual piece of evidence, just not scientific evidence.
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Sorry - is this a joke. The Bible is at best a history. In many places it is neither factual or scientific. To say everything in the Bible is correct and without fault is incorrect
 
Mr Clingford said:
Ok, I will let you off this time! Creationism, of course, works well as an example.

I'm not sure what you mean by smarter but certainly people are much more knowledgeable now.

The Bible is a factual piece of evidence, just not scientific evidence.
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Sorry and with no intent of offense (but it must be stated), the Bible is not evidence of anything except the existence of the Bible. I have no question that the Bible exists nor do I question that its' existence in one form or another is historically validated. It is no more evidence of something than an individual flower in a large field - except evidence of its' own existence.
 
666 said:
You've convinced me. I kneel and tremble at the Church of the Perambulating Redwood.
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Let me get this straight: you are praying to wood, not praying to sport wood? There is a blue pill for the latter . . . :D

DR
 
simon dalton said:
Sorry - is this a joke. The Bible is at best a history. In many places it is neither factual or scientific. To say everything in the Bible is correct and without fault is incorrect
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fuelair said:
Sorry and with no intent of offense (but it must be stated), the Bible is not evidence of anything except the existence of the Bible. I have no question that the Bible exists nor do I question that its' existence in one form or another is historically validated. It is no more evidence of something than an individual flower in a large field - except evidence of its' own existence.
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No one here (if KK stays away) is saying everything in the Bible is correct and without fault.

The Bible is historical evidence, which is not to say that everything in the Bible is historically true, far from it. For instance, the NT is evidence that a group of Jews thought the Messiah had come, becoming known as Christians. Their letters and other writings tell us what they and others thought and did.

fuelair, you appear to be suggesting that the Bible does not intersect with any other historical evidence but that is mistaken. If I am ignorant here I would like to know where I have gone wrong.
 
Mr Clingford said:
No one here (if KK stays away) is saying everything in the Bible is correct and without fault..
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Phew. I thought there for a moment that I was talking to another one of Jesus_freaks friends ;)

Mr Clingford said:
The Bible is historical evidence, which is not to say that everything in the Bible is historically true, far from it. For instance, the NT is evidence that a group of Jews thought the Messiah had come, becoming known as Christians. Their letters and other writings tell us what they and others thought and did.

fuelair, you appear to be suggesting that the Bible does not intersect with any other historical evidence but that is mistaken. If I am ignorant here I would like to know where I have gone wrong.
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I will agree with you on this one. I just take issue with people who insist that they are correct "because it is in the Bible" without providing any other evidence.
 
simon dalton said:
Phew. I thought there for a moment that I was talking to another one of Jesus_freaks friends ;)
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Well, I am a freak but not a literalist fundamentalist one!

simon dalton said:
I will agree with you on this one. I just take issue with people who insist that they are correct "because it is in the Bible" without providing any other evidence.
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I like the sentiment behind the idea that a Bible quote is a beginning to a discussion not an end.

Of course I consider some wise words to be found in the Bible as well as a message of hope (on a good day).
 
Mr Clingford said:
I like the sentiment behind the idea that a Bible quote is a beginning to a discussion not an end.
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I haven't heard this one before, but I like it ! Going to add it to the list

Mr Clingford said:
Of course I consider some wise words to be found in the Bible as well as a message of hope (on a good day).
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When Jesus said to "treat everyone the same way you want to be treated" he really nailed it (no pun intended)
 
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ImaginalDisc said:
So you're not an atheist, Mr. Christianity-Seems-More-Plasuble-Than-Walking-Trees?
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Hey there!

Every time I see your avatar I get a huge laugh. Can untwist hippo undies but not his own, eh? You a little sore at the couple of utter destructions you've eaten lately? Yet you're still looking for more?

You made the mistake of not reading all my post (again), [again], again.

Here, let me remind you about the last couple of debates we've had, little boy:

:pythonfoot:

Now go away, learn to read, and come back when you're all growed up - 15 -20 years' time, maybe.
 
brodski said:
Although it's not technically a tree, but the banana "tree" can "walk" up to 3 meters in it's lifetime. And most plants are capable of some movement (bending towards the light etc), even if they cannot uproot themselves.
Now if I where a devout Redwoodist I would take this as absolute proof, and certainly more valid than anything the Christians have.
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How about a bible printed on redwood scrolls?
 
The Atheist said:
Hey there!

Every time I see your avatar I get a huge laugh. Can untwist hippo undies but not his own, eh? You a little sore at the couple of utter destructions you've eaten lately? Yet you're still looking for more?

You made the mistake of not reading all my post (again), [again], again.

Here, let me remind you about the last couple of debates we've had, little boy:

:pythonfoot:

Now go away, learn to read, and come back when you're all growed up - 15 -20 years' time, maybe.
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You age has nothing at all to do with the fact that you seriously consider Christianity plausible. Walking trees would require a reevaluation of botany. If all of Christianity were true, it would be impossible, because it is internally contradictory. For a guy who came into the forum loudly crowing about his atheism, you've become a tired old Christian apologist.
 
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