The Loose Change forum

FidelCastro:

You know, the one thing the truth movement could use in the forefront are babes. Think about it. Are random dudes on the street, especially teenage to middle aged males more likely to hold onto something handed them by a dude in a black "Investigate 9/11" t-shirt, or a really hot girl? Now the JREFER's have that Abby Scott chick, surely we can do better right? I mean we had that one chick who pissed on the flag last 4th of July, but she kind of disappeared and wasn't quite what I have in mind for this idea. So in short, where are all the hot truther women? I know there must be some on here, so lets hear it!
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Got my badge, does that qualify me for a 'ninja' title?

If yes, any suggestions?
 
Drat. Banned again.
Dared to ask for a list of the "errors" in LC that they admitted to in the interview with Gravy.
 
Talking about JREFers, jackchit has this to say:
jachchit: Rox its a complete waste of time and energy bothering with these people, its the pent up sexual frustration that makes these minorities do this kind of thing,
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LCF>General Info>Lounge>Jref Erase Obl Connection On Wikipedia Entry, about Suzanne Jovin murder
 
beachnut said:
It will be neat when the LC guys come up with some facts before they get old.

There is not a fact to be found in LC videos; just lies.

You hit the nail on its head! Belief is all you have. Try facts when it comes to the real world; facts are much better than lies. LC should find some before the followers actually find physics and the ability to think for themselves which it seems most forgot how to use their brains to think..

What facts do you have? LC is fiction and you have no factual support for it. Poor Dylan is lacking facts; can you help him?
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Hmm. What world do you live in beachnut?

I couldn't agree with you more that facts are much much better than lies.

I'll apologize right now if I've told any lies.

Good advice on using the brain to think. I'll remember that bonus tip as well.

LC is fiction? Hmm..I've yet to see a documentary that doesn't contain some fiction. Although unlike you, I've yet to see a documentary that was 100% fiction.

I do know that if you want people to have an ounce of respect for what you post, making absolute general statements is not the way to go about it.

MM
 
Miragememories said:
LC is fiction? Hmm..I've yet to see a documentary that doesn't contain some fiction. Although unlike you, I've yet to see a documentary that was 100% fiction.

I do know that if you want people to have an ounce of respect for what you post, making absolute general statements is not the way to go about it.
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Welcome to the JREF forum, Miragememories. I'm not going to indulge in personal attacks, but I am curious:

I will agree that it is difficult to eradicate all errors, even in the most carefully researched documentary, but there is a certain threshold at which the narrative falls apart, and we must consider it fiction.

What about Loose Change? What parts of it are not fiction? What parts of it are true, and what parts are presented fairly? I've only seen the do-over a couple of times, but I personally counted so many obvious errors that it would seem difficult to forge any argument with what remains.

So I'm curious about your impressions of it.
 
Miragememories said:
Hmm. What world do you live in beachnut?

I couldn't agree with you more that facts are much much better than lies.

I'll apologize right now if I've told any lies.

Good advice on using the brain to think. I'll remember that bonus tip as well.

LC is fiction? Hmm..I've yet to see a documentary that doesn't contain some fiction. Although unlike you, I've yet to see a documentary that was 100% fiction.

I do know that if you want people to have an ounce of respect for what you post, making absolute general statements is not the way to go about it.

MM
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Have you read Mark Roberts' LC guide? It really shows how LC is full of lies.

And noone has professionally refuted the LC guide yet either, to my knowledge.
 
GlennB said:
Hello again, MM

Slight difference is that you could get fairly stroppy over here and still be tolerated. Maybe for about 30 pages of debate, even. People would debate your evidence/point of view all day long (us sad gits).
At LC you get banned just for being a sceptic (unless the mods are away making films :D )

Anyhoo - welcome, and please present your evidence. You will need it. Mere assertions and 'argument from incredulity' won't get you very far without a gentle reminder or two. Apparently it only takes 4 muscles to slap someone round the head

pip pip!
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Thank you for the warm welcome GlennB.

I confess I've lurked here a bit so I do have idea what might be expected.

From what I've seen, I wonder if there's much value in attempting to present evidence or argue a point of view?

The diehards from LC and JREF seem to be pretty much polarized in their thinking and I certainly don't claim to have any 'new' smoking gun revelations.

As I said in an earlier post, I regret the banning process at LC but I have no relationship with management there. They have yet to acknowledge my existence.

Hopefully I won't violate any of the rules at JREF that might cause me to be banned.

MM
 
johnny karate said:
Mirage, welcome to the JREF forum.

You're not going to find any "bigotry" here. Everyone here has an open mind.

However, you will be required to support your assertions with evidence or expert testimony for them to be given any credence. Speculation and layman analysis will not be accepted.

Good luck and I look forward to perhaps debating with you again.
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Well johnny karate, why am I not surprised to find you here.

I do miss our frustrating discussions in the LC Forums and I posted that your banning was regretable though not surprising.

Yes God knows I'm well aware that anything I say has to be expert qualified and peer-reviewed before you will grace it with the least bit of consideration.

With that in mind, I suspect you and I will have little meaningful dialogue as I've pretty well said all I can to you on that subject.

Thank you for the welcome though.

MM
 
Miragememories said:
Well johnny karate, why am I not surprised to find you here.

I do miss our frustrating discussions in the LC Forums and I posted that your banning was regretable though not surprising.

Yes God knows I'm well aware that anything I say has to be expert qualified and peer-reviewed before you will grace it with the least bit of consideration.

With that in mind, I suspect you and I will have little meaningful dialogue as I've pretty well said all I can to you on that subject.

Thank you for the welcome though.

MM
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So far you've said a lot about what you will not do here at JREF. Got any plans on what you will do? Wanna talk about anything specific?
 
Miragememories said:
Hmm. What world do you live in beachnut?

I couldn't agree with you more that facts are much much better than lies.

I'll apologize right now if I've told any lies.

Good advice on using the brain to think. I'll remember that bonus tip as well.

LC is fiction? Hmm..I've yet to see a documentary that doesn't contain some fiction. Although unlike you, I've yet to see a documentary that was 100% fiction.

I do know that if you want people to have an ounce of respect for what you post, making absolute general statements is not the way to go about it.

MM
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Please feel free to post anything that is true in the LC video. I have found no facts and find LC videos to be complete fiction as Dylan orignally set out to do. Fiction. He even tells you the same. I started as fiction and is fiction now. A joke. Please help me find one fact in LC.

There are no smoking guns in LC yet; nor do I expect them ever. If you have one new smoking gun after the beam weapon by Judy Wood, let us hear it.
 
uk_dave said:
FidelCastro:

You know, the one thing the truth movement could use in the forefront are babes. Think about it. Are random dudes on the street, especially teenage to middle aged males more likely to hold onto something handed them by a dude in a black "Investigate 9/11" t-shirt, or a really hot girl? Now the JREFER's have that Abby Scott chick, surely we can do better right? I mean we had that one chick who pissed on the flag last 4th of July, but she kind of disappeared and wasn't quite what I have in mind for this idea. So in short, where are all the hot truther women? I know there must be some on here, so lets hear it!

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Quite right Dave.

Sex sells!

MM
 
Miragememories said:
Thank you for the warm welcome GlennB.

I confess I've lurked here a bit so I do have idea what might be expected.

From what I've seen, I wonder if there's much value in attempting to present evidence or argue a point of view?

The diehards from LC and JREF seem to be pretty much polarized in their thinking and I certainly don't claim to have any 'new' smoking gun revelations.

As I said in an earlier post, I regret the banning process at LC but I have no relationship with management there. They have yet to acknowledge my existence.

Hopefully I won't violate any of the rules at JREF that might cause me to be banned.

MM
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Hi MM

You would have to work very hard to get banned here :)

(p.s. I like the way you bold the ID of the person you address. It's courteous and I'll do the same from now on)

While you're around - there was a debate raging over there at LC regarding concrete dust at WTC. It wasn't at all clear what your position was. Do you believe it was reduced to powder or *not* reduced to powder? This relates closely to your posts last night about pulverisation. I never did see your definition of "pulverised". Perhaps I missed it?
 
R.Mackey said:
Welcome to the JREF forum, Miragememories. I'm not going to indulge in personal attacks, but I am curious:

I will agree that it is difficult to eradicate all errors, even in the most carefully researched documentary, but there is a certain threshold at which the narrative falls apart, and we must consider it fiction.

What about Loose Change? What parts of it are not fiction? What parts of it are true, and what parts are presented fairly? I've only seen the do-over a couple of times, but I personally counted so many obvious errors that it would seem difficult to forge any argument with what remains.

So I'm curious about your impressions of it.
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Thank you for the kind welcome R.Mackey

And thank you for resisting the impulse to launch an unwarranted personal attack.

I have no wish to dissect LC.

I have spoken up in posts in the LC Forums about content in the video that should be addressed. Yes I agree it still has errors and as a professional documentary editor for public TV, I feel no harm is done by coming clean and correcting the errors. I'm only interested in truth not conjecture.

Mark Roberts is by no means squeeky clean in his counter documentaries. His unrestrained bias only serves to undermine his message.

My involvement in the LC Forums has more to do with my quest for truth than my blind belief in the LC documentary. I have watched many 9/11 documentaries and many are of a higher quality than LC.

MM
 
Miragememories said:
I have no wish to dissect LC.

I have spoken up in posts in the LC Forums about content in the video that should be addressed. Yes I agree it still has errors and as a professional documentary editor for public TV, I feel no harm is done by coming clean and correcting the errors. I'm only interested in truth not conjecture.
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Be that as it may, you complained above when others referred to LC as "fiction," and remarked that other documentaries may have errors as well. But if you cannot be more precise about it, then this is nothing more than a form of equivocation.

In my personal opinion, Loose Change is a work of fiction, and moreover one that misleads its audience about its true nature. Now then, if you disagree with that assessment, I'd be curious to understand why.

Miragememories said:
Mark Roberts is by no means squeeky clean in his counter documentaries. His unrestrained bias only serves to undermine his message.
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Likewise, without support, this is what I would call an "unwarranted personal attack."

Has poster Gravy made errors in his "counter-documentaries?" What are they? And, if there are none, will you retract your statement?
 
First of all, welcome to the JREF forum MM.

Miragememories said:
Mark Roberts is by no means squeeky clean in his counter documentaries. His unrestrained bias only serves to undermine his message.
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I see this a lot from the truthers about Mark Roberts. I have yet to see a truther find a single error in any of his papers, just complaints about his tone. Have you found any errors?

eta: damn Mackey and his fast fingers...
 
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