Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

[kitakaze]

Stop the presses! Bigfoot is real! Phone call from Joyce confirms it!

kitakaze wrote:

Actually, kitakaze...it's evidence that favors "a real Bigfoot sighting" as the true explanation for Joyce's phone call.
Simply because that explanation makes more sense.

Yeaaahh... no. You can say otherwise till your blue in the face but the fact is it's pretty solid evidence that you have a hard time figuring out what makes sense.

Have you...or Correa...ever called a total stranger who lives in another state for NO REASON other than to tell them a pack of lies?

Answer........No, you haven't.

Do you know anyone who has done that?

Answer..........No....you don't.

Will kitakaze refute my answers?

No.....he won't. Because he can't.

As a rule....grown, mature adults don't do that...because it's a senseless and twisted thing to do.
That's why Joyce's story being the TRUTH makes more sense than it being a total lie.

kitakaze can call the evidence...Joyce's sighting report and her phone call to me.... "flimsy".....but what neither HE nor any other skeptic can do is back that claim up by giving an actual example of someone making a long-distance phone call to a stranger simply to tell them lies.

This would be flimsy, meaningless evidence if people commonly did that......but they don't.

So, again, kitakaze says things that he cannot back-up.
But go ahead, kit....feel free to provide examples, and prove me wrong.

Newman! SweatyYeti pulled out the 'you can't do that' argument. Umm, paper, rock, scissors? Best out of three?

That you can't come to any conclusion that makes sense to you to account for Joyce's call that doesn't involve bigfoot being real shows only how bum stinky your logic is. You seriously can't come up with an alternative other than outright lying? Are you really that far gone?

Hmmm... Let me see if I can tackle your horrendous conundrum concerning our 'claim' of your evidence being flimsy 'by giving an actual example of someone making a long-distance phone call to a stranger simply to tell them lies'.

- Um, uh, hmmm... TELEMARKETING RING A BELL? I guess you should have been more specific, huh Sweaty? What does that have to do with your anecdote, you say? Oh, you know, as much as your anecdote does with supporting BF's existence- nothing.

Well, Sweaty, that was some pretty stunning 'you can't do that' logic but flail wildly as much as you like nothing you try to say changes the fact that evidence supporting the existence of bigfoot is flimsy, paltry, palid, insufficient, unsubstantial, inconclusive, weak, lame, lacking, unpersuasive, rickety, a house of cards, and let's not forget... bum stinky.

 

[LAL]

Quetzalcoatl

Too humaniform.

You mean there are no desert yetis!?

Green mentions the Navajo wolfmen, who reportedly ran around at night in wolfskins, as a possible source of misidentifications. A report from Utah turned out to be from a area that gets over 20" of rain a year. It was at an elevation of 6000'. In 1972, he he investigated an area where Navajo sheepherders were reporting problems with "bears that walk upright". the descriptions fit with Sasquatch and 16" prints were found.The mountains looked barren from the highway, but in them were forests not unlike those on the Pacific Coast. (pg. 177, The Apes Among Us.

The book was copyrighted in 1978, but the more recent sightings map is showing the same rough correlation.

John said, "Where the rainfall is over 20 inches there usually are reports, although up to now there are more exceptions on the wet side of the line than on the dry side. Why mankind's supposed need to imagine monsters should dry up where it doesn't rain much I will leave for someone else to explain." (pg.172)

 

[LAL]

Stop the presses! Bigfoot is real! Phone call from Joyce confirms it!

Her story is like thousands of others.

 

[LAL]

Just an aside, I was in the Public Library today, and I did a search for anything they had on Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti. Amusingly enough, the only book they had was in the children's section. I quite honestly forget what the title was, but I found it almost telling as to how seriously this subject is generally taken.

There are books on Bigfoot wrtten for children. The Stevenson, Wa., library had them in the juvenile section. Napier, Sanderson, Bryne, and Krantz were in a case with the dinosaur books. North Carolina libraries seem to be classing Bigfoot books in Generalities.

So what?

 

[LAL]

I've noticed where sightings are out of the waters, so to speak, they tend to be along rivers and creeks, like on this sighting map of Texas.

http://www.texasbigfoot.com/map.html

These are in the Big Thicket (Village Creek):

There's a similar situation in Oklahoma. The majority of sightings are where there's ample rain, in the eastern part of the state.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Most sightings of fairies occur in rolling meadows with average rain and lots of pretty flowers..

I'll see if I can find some maps ...

 

[Belz...]

So, folks... how are those bigfoot pictures coming ? What ? None ?

Amazing.

 

[carcharodon]

So, folks... how are those bigfoot pictures coming ? What ? None ?

Amazing.

What good does showing pictures do on this site?LOL.

Even when you show scoftics some pics with links of bona fide caught and shot examples of alien big cats caught in the British countryside they still ignore it and scream

"Where is the evidence???"

Madness. This place is sheer madness. It's enough to make one take up murder.

 

[desertyeti]

Quetzalcoatl.Hmmm, yes. Why something humaniform?You mean there are no desert yetis!?

Plenty of dragon legends among the natives in Illinois (Piasa (sp?) bird).
And what's this about no desert yetis!?!?
Plenty of 'em!!!
The almas in the Mongolian desert!
The BF's running around in N. Dakota, the southwestern US, and yes, even the interiors of Oregon and Washing to, not to mention Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana (all of which have areas considered to be desert based on annual precipitation budget and all claiming sightings and prints).

The 20 inches of rain myth was started by John Green and quickly falls to pieces when all data are considered. But, hey, why bring up facts in a discussion about Bigfeetsus? Carry on.

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

Hmmm... Let me see if I can tackle your horrendous conundrum concerning our 'claim' of your evidence being flimsy 'by giving an actual example of someone making a long-distance phone call to a stranger simply to tell them lies'.

- Um, uh, hmmm... TELEMARKETING RING A BELL? I guess you should have been more specific, huh Sweaty? What does that have to do with your anecdote, you say? Oh, you know, as much as your anecdote does with supporting BF's existence- nothing.

Once again, kitakaze...you're wrong. Let me splain why .........
A telemarketer has a motivation OTHER than "just to tell lies".......it's a paycheck.....MONEY.

In my post I specifically stated...."for NO REASON OTHER THAN to lie".

"No other reason" includes MONEY. Do you understand that?

Here is what I said.....

Have you...or Correa...ever called a total stranger who lives in another state for NO REASON other than to tell them a pack of lies?

Do you know anyone who has done that?

As a rule....grown, mature adults don't do that...because it's a senseless and twisted thing to do.
That's why Joyce's story being the TRUTH makes more sense than it being a total lie.

kitakaze can call the evidence...Joyce's sighting report and her phone call to me.... "flimsy".....but what neither HE nor any other skeptic can do is back that claim up by giving an actual example of someone making a long-distance phone call to a stranger simply to tell lies.

Maybe you're playing a technicality game....but "simply to tell lies" is an extension of what I said just before that..."for NO REASON other than". It meant exactly the same thing.

You failed to provide an example.........exactly as I said would be the case, beforehand.

You also failed to answer 2 questions that I asked of you.

You're full of hot air, kitakaze! No substance.

 

[desertyeti]

In my post I specifically stated...."for NO REASON OTHER THAN to lie".

How about just plain needing attention?
Lots of lonely housewives, students, elderly folks, etc. out there.
Plenty believe in fairies (my mother-in-law for example) or Bigfoot (take your pick from the BFF) or ghosts, psychics, UFO's, etc.
Never underestimate the need for people to feel important by pretending to have had an unusual experience (ever heard of Munchausen's by Proxy)?

The purpose of this thread has been nicely demonstrated.
Footprint evidence isn't compelling when it comes to proving the existence of something that's undocumented.

Neither are phone calls from sad, lonely people looking for attention.
Back to the special pleading now...

 

[RayG]

I simply cannot understand why she would decide to pick-up the phone and make a long-distance call....just to LIE to a total stranger.

Who says she's a liar? She may be an honest, sincere person, relating something she truly believes happened to her, and she might be mistaken in her perceptions. It happens. Just because YOU (or her) don't understand something doesn't mean there isn't a viable explanation.

RayG

 

[SweatyYeti]

desertyeti wrote:

How about just plain needing attention?
Lots of lonely housewives, students, elderly folks, etc. out there.
Plenty believe in fairies (my mother-in-law for example) or Bigfoot (take your pick from the BFF) or ghosts, psychics, UFO's, etc.
Never underestimate the need for people to feel important by pretending to have had an unusual experience (ever heard of Munchausen's by Proxy)?

Sure, it's possible she called because she was seeking attention....but I don't think that that's the most likely explanation....because, as I pointed out in my original post, she waited almost 2 weeks to call me back.
That's not a sign of someone needing or craving attention.

 

[RayG]

Sure, it's possible she called because she was seeking attention....but I don't think that that's the most likely explanation....because, as I pointed out in my original post, she waited almost 2 weeks to call me back.
That's not a sign of someone needing or craving attention.

Have you ruled out the possibility that she just might be mistaken? That she may have been mistaken in her perception?

Since you refuse to provide a link to her BFRO report, based upon an unfounded fear that she'll be inundated with skeptical harassers, could you at least cut-n-paste her report so we can see what she was actually reporting?

What time of day? What were the lighting conditions? etc. etc.

RayG

 

[SweatyYeti]

RayG wrote:

Who says she's a liar? She may be an honest, sincere person, relating something she truly believes happened to her, and she might be mistaken in her perceptions. It happens. Just because YOU (or her) don't understand something doesn't mean there isn't a viable explanation.

A misidentification of a bear is NOT a possible explanation in this case.
She and her daughter (reportedly) saw it in late afternoon at close range, and they watched it walk away from the side of the road. She also said it looked back at them as it walked away.

Since you refuse to provide a link to her BFRO report, based upon an unfounded fear that she'll be inundated with skeptical harassers, could you at least cut-n-paste her report so we can see what she was actually reporting?

What time of day? What were the lighting conditions? etc. etc.

I'll read the report tomorrow and see if I can copy-and-paste it into a post here.
That's all I have time to say right now.

 

[tube]

Lots of lonely housewives, students, elderly folks, etc. out there.
Plenty believe in fairies (my mother-in-law for example) or Bigfoot (take your pick from the BFF) or ghosts, psychics, UFO's, etc.

I believe in park fairies.

 

[Leo113]

The 20 inches of rain myth was started by John Green and quickly falls to pieces when all data are considered. But, hey, why bring up facts in a discussion about Bigfeetsus? Carry on.

"Bigfeetsus"? That's one of Mad Hom's favorite pet words. Surely, the good doctor is not Mr. Hyde as well?

 

[carcharodon]

How about just plain needing attention?
Lots of lonely housewives, students, elderly folks, etc. out there.
Plenty believe in fairies (my mother-in-law for example) or Bigfoot (take your pick from the BFF) or ghosts, psychics, UFO's, etc.

What has any of the above got to do with a flesh and blood animal? Why correlate bigfoot to fairies?

The purpose of this thread has been nicely demonstrated.
Footprint evidence isn't compelling when it comes to proving the existence of something that's undocumented.

That's just your opinion. You have no more proven your point than the sasquatch proponents have proven theirs. You just think you have and you are misguided in insisting it has been 'demonstrated'. Bit like the Skookum cast has neither been proven and demonstrated to have been made by either a sasquatch or an elk. There is a traffic jam and it ain't going EITHER way. Same as this thread.

Neither are phone calls from sad, lonely people looking for attention.
Back to the special pleading now...

How do you know this particular person is sad, lonely and looking for attention? LOL, you don't even know this person's name, nor where this person lives.....but you can come up with a statement like that??????

You just 'bleev' it I guess. You have no quantifiable evidence to back up your assertion do you? Just your 'belief' ???

I find it extremely hilarious when the super scoftics resort to the same kind of reasoning they accuse the proponents of doing.

Like I said, this place is madness. Bloody madness.

 

[carcharodon]

I believe in park fairies.

We call them winos.

 

[kitakaze]

So, folks... how are those bigfoot pictures coming ? What ? None ?

Amazing.

Psst, they say they can hear the trailcams.