Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

[kitakaze]

LAL, please don't imply that Ciochon thinks Gigantopithecines were bipedal. You've already made the mistake of claiming that he's in the photo.

 

[kitakaze]

You might want to check out what some of the groups are doing.

Thankyou for the sidestep.

 

[kitakaze]

Luring seems to offer some promise...

Promises, promises. 'Stay tuned', 'be patient', bigfootery is full of promises.

 

[LAL]

LAL, please don't imply that Ciochon thinks Gigantopithecines were bipedal. You've already made the mistake of claiming that he's in the photo.

I stood corrected. It's Bill Munns. This is Russell:

Try to find a picture where the reconstruction isn't upright. That's how they are. What do you want me to do? Dismantle them and put them in a Gorilla-like pose?

Ciochon thinks Sasquatches are all myth and misidentification. And he doesn't want to lose his funding to Sasquatch research.

"The ten-foot size estimate is based on approximate head-to-skeleton ratios in primates. In humans that ratio is approximately 1:7; in Lucy, an early human, it was 1:8. Ciochon and Munns tried 1:7 and thought the result looked too small. They settled on 1:6.5. Though shocked by resulting huge size, the researchers believe their estimate is conservative.

Relative arm and leg size is based on the ratio of forelimbs to hindlimbs, also known as the intermembral index. In humans the ratio is approximatelty 70%; in orangs 134%. Munns split the difference between the gorilla and Theropithecus, yielding 108%."

http://www.uiowa.edu/~nathist/Site/giganto.html

From Ciochon's website:

"Gigantopithecus is gone. Or is it? Following the publicity about our research in Vietnam, I have received several letters from veterans who say that they came face to face with huge, hairy apes in the Southeast Asian jungle when they were posted in Vietnam. And of all the theories advanced to provide a zoological identity for Bigfoot, the Abominable Snowman, and other elusive creatures, perhaps the most popular is that they are none other than Gigantopithecus, still alive in relict populations (relict populations of Neanderthal man run a close second). While these contemporary reports are probably false, we can contemplate the time when our remote ancestors did encounter the giant of all apes in the tropical rainforests of Southeast Asia."

http://www.uiowa.edu/~bioanth/giganto.html

 

[LAL]

Promises, promises. 'Stay tuned', 'be patient', bigfootery is full of promises.

It's full of hard work. A couple of my cyber friends hang out in Georgia swamps instead of sitting around posting on message boards.

 

[kitakaze]

Try to find a picture where the reconstruction isn't upright. That's how they are. What do you want me to do? Dismantle them and put them in a Gorilla-like pose?

Munns' reconstruction is upright. That's how it is. As in singular, as in you want that picture to support your ideas about bigfoot but it doesn't. I can link an image portraying a quadrapedal Giganto but I know you've seen it and should know how useless that would be.

"The ten-foot size estimate is based on approximate head-to-skeleton ratios in primates. In humans that ratio is approximately 1:7; in Lucy, an early human, it was 1:8. Ciochon and Munns tried 1:7 and thought the result looked too small. They settled on 1:6.5. Though shocked by resulting huge size, the researchers believe their estimate is conservative.

Relative arm and leg size is based on the ratio of forelimbs to hindlimbs, also known as the intermembral index. In humans the ratio is approximatelty 70%; in orangs 134%. Munns split the difference between the gorilla and Theropithecus, yielding 108%."

Wow, Munns stood it up to impress the size as you would with a bear mount. That has nothing to do with your arguments. The IMB estimate is called guess work with out any remains to back it.

 

[kitakaze]

It's full of hard work. A couple of my cyber friends hang out in Georgia swamps instead of sitting around posting on message boards.

Good for them and good luck to them. I'm sure they wouldn't mind sharing their opinions with those who put so much stock of their supporting arguments of BF soley in the PNW. How long do you think they'd continue their efforts before surmising there's nothing there? I'm guessing a very long time, at least.

 

[LAL]

Munns' reconstruction is upright. That's how it is. As in singular, as in you want that picture to support your ideas about bigfoot but it doesn't. I can link an image portraying a quadrapedal Giganto but I know you've seen it and should know how useless that would be.Wow, Munns stood it up to impress the size as you would with a bear mount. That has nothing to do with your arguments. The IMB estimate is called guess work with out any remains to back it.

Munns and Ciochon have done more than one reconstruction. The new one has motorized eyes. And there are those who disagree with the reconstruction.

This one?

With nothing to go on but teeth and jawbones, what would make that one any more correct?

Regardless of posture, we still have a reconstruction showing a receding forehead, no neck, long arms...........

 

[LAL]

Good for them and good luck to them. I'm sure they wouldn't mind sharing their opinions with those who put so much stock of their supporting arguments of BF soley in the PNW.

Who's argued they're solely in the PNW? Some of Green's early reports are from the east and he's said they're just as credible. There's a possible reference in an NC newspaper from 1793.

How long do you think they'd continue their efforts before surmising there's nothing there? I'm guessing a very long time, at least.

Well, they're surmising there's something there.

 

[kitakaze]

With nothing to go on but teeth and jawbones, what would make that one any more correct?

So you agree you are making unfounded speculations to try and fit your belief of bigfoot?

Regardless of posture, we still have a reconstruction showing a receding forehead, no neck, long arms...........

Think about that for a moment. How on earth does that lend credence to bigfoot?

 

[kitakaze]

Who's argued they're solely in the PNW?

Many BF proponents trying to be taken seriously.

Some of Green's early reports are from the east and he's said they're just as credible.

Oh, OK. He said there just as credible. Has Green said anything you disagree with?

There's a possible reference in an NC newspaper from 1793.

Possible reference? There's a possible reference from *insert something ludicrous here*.

Well, they're surmising there's something there.

It doesn't require much.

 

[LAL]

So you agree you are making unfounded speculations to try and fit your belief of bigfoot?

Excuse me? Krantz argued the wide jaws would allow passage of a vertical spinal column. The canines are reduced as in hominids. There's at least something to point to an upright animal. What is there to prove it moved like a giant Gorilla, especially when it's thought to be an Orangutan relative?

And even if it wasn't a biped, that doesn't mean it couldn't have produced one. How long did Science assume humans descended from a knuckle-walker?

Think about that for a moment. How on earth does that lend credence to bigfoot?

Correa wants similarities to Patty. Those are some.

 

[LAL]

Many BF proponents trying to be taken seriously.

Oh, you mean posters on BFF? I didn't think the eastern reports were worth much until some years after I moved here.

Oh, OK. He said there just as credible. Has Green said anything you disagree with?

Of course.

Possible reference? There's a possible reference from *insert something ludicrous here*.

There was no photograph with the story.

It doesn't require much.

Evidently they're getting some evidence.

 

[kitakaze]

Oh, you mean posters on BFF? I didn't think the eastern reports were worth much until some years after I moved here.

What changed your mind?

Of course.

Such as?

Evidently they're getting some evidence.

Evidently?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

It's full of hard work. A couple of my cyber friends hang out in Georgia swamps instead of sitting around posting on message boards.

That sounds real smart ....


Here's your sign ...



Yep' looking for a non-existent critter is real hard work all right..


P.S.

How did you meet your cyber friends, if they don't hang out on message boards ?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Correa wants similarities to Patty. Those are some.

Some ? I count two..

We have the teeth and jawbone of Patty ?

Since when ?

 

[LAL]

What changed your mind?

Getting into some of the area for myself, particularly where there may have been a sighting, conversations with a researcher, a very modern Cherokee potter who was not speaking about tradition and someone I work with who grew up with accounts.

The southeast may have a different variety than the PNW.

Such as?

He believes everything from Marx and Freeman should be disregarded. (That would explain why he thought Krantz was gullible, if he indeed said that.) While his account of Marx holding court was hilarious, the man still may have brought in some important stuff. John was taken in by the film at first, so I guess he has a right to be bitter.

I don't think Paluxy helped his case any. I wouldn't have included some of the "sightings" he included in The Apes Among Us, but at least he didn't try to cover them up.

And I don't agree on the Minnesota Iceman. John's convinced it was a fake. It may have been a Nguoi Rung, smuggled out of Nam in a body bag as Heuvelmans thought. That would explain a lot. Whatever the original was, there's much to indicate it was a corpse of some kind.

Evidently?

I haven't seen it yet.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Yuck.

Those meals sound pretty disgusting, but liking the Huntster?

You're sick...........

So how does taste, grampa?

Pretty good, but Mrs. Huntster isn't very fond of it. She also uses the threat of trichinosis as an excuse to cook the Hell out of it.

I think it's all in her head.

 

[LAL]

Did you try the slow simmer with red wine and basil yet?

 

[LAL]

The IMB estimate is called guess work with out any remains to back it.

Exactly.

No comment on the reports from Nam?