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Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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kitakaze said:
I can't say that I'm surprised at the relative quietness of the newer proponent members over the last few pages.
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Eh but I wasn't exactly ominpresent in this thread before the last few pages. As I keep telling people (and looks like you are one of the beauts who isn't 'getting' it) this isn't my area.

It's pretty telling how given the invitation to study some good hard experimental data showing the contrary of one of the oft-touted claims of bf evidence and participate in the discussion the semantics yapping goes silent and you guys get scarce. Way to show your true colours.
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No to be honest I kind of lost interest in this thread a while back. Nothing I haven't read before over on BFF. Nothing new 'established' and nothing new 'demonstrated'. It's all "he says, she says!". Still a stalemate as I see it. Heads locked with neither side budging an inch. It goes around and around.

You think this is all something new then?

Praise to LAL for sticking it out without you guys even trying to offer any back up.
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I don't think she needs it. She does well enough on her own. She doesn't need me. It's never been my forte to get into deep discussions about specific track casts and/or track photos (including the Skookum Cast) and I have never claimed otherwise so I don't see why I should start now. Did you read me getting heavily involved in debates backing up specific tracks beforehand? No. So why should I start now? I leave that to people with obvious knowledge in the matter.
 
kitakaze said:
As we've already seen in his interview he didn't say he was skeptical, he said he had no prior opinion.
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The Houston Chronical's reporter called him sceptical.

See his reasoning when asked about doing a book by Meldrum.
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Is it too much trouble to give a reference or post a link? I really don't have time to plow through everything on the Internet. I have 2500 saved places in My Favorites. I don't even know what they all are anymore.
 
Diogenes said:
Whoa !!!:eek:

This is an incredible observation that I haven't seen mentioned before ...

If we are truly looking at dermatogyphics, we should see a perfect match from at least two prints within a trackway ...

Otherwise, we are clearly looking at random casting artifacts...
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Hopefully liberal use of the ignore feature won't hamper this spur of motivation.
 
I'm sure our resident fanatic will dispute this, but everyone else will see how obvious these features are as desiccation ridges. This is from CA-20, another cast from the Blue Creek Mountain trackway. I can't imagine that Meldrum proposes that this the is "second cast" with dermals. But I'm confounded why he didn't specify which cast in his book, considering that Krantz designated all of them with serial numbers beginning with "CA", for California.

Various things I've learned from Bigfootery;

Some people believe that tricalcium phosphate is equivalent to pumice.

Some people believe that tricalcium phosphate is "full of iron".

Some people believe it's "illegal to ship pumice".

With utter, ridiculous nonsense like this being promoted as a "rebuttal" to the characterization of the cast textures as desiccation ridges, it wouldn't surprise me to hear one of these people tell us that these ridges are "dermals"

These people have NO case, and have resorted to personal attacks on me and Dr. Wroblewski.
 

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LAL said:
The Houston Chronical's reporter called him sceptical.
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This, coming from a fellow bemoaner of lazy reporting is truly astounding.
Is it too much trouble to give a reference or post a link? I really don't have time to plow through everything on the Internet. I have 2500 saved places in My Favorites. I don't even know what they all are anymore.
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My aplogies for the reference, Lu. This is from a reference to a conversation given to me in private for which I have no link for. Consider it nothing.
 
kitakaze said:
Horses**t. Your experts do not agree.
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What? The descriptions match. Both took the irregularly shaped pits to be sweat pores. My experts agree.

Tim White (who is not generally considered a BF researcher) suggested they're air bubbles. Dr. Krantz experimented to see if this might be the case.

Maybe you should check the citations more carefully. ;)

Interesting Chilcutt found the same irregular pits on an entirely different cast from an entirely different part of the country independently of Dr. Krantz, isn't it?
 
tube said:
I'm sure our resident fanatic will dispute this,
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That's no a personal attack, is it? You and Dr. Wroblewski don't do things like that, do you?

How do you get "dessication ridges" in mud?
 
LAL said:
What? The descriptions match. Both took the irregularly shaped pits to be sweat pores. My experts agree.

Tim White (who is not generally considered a BF researcher) suggested they're air bubbles. Dr. Krantz experimented to see if this might be the case.

Maybe you should check the citations more carefully. ;)

Interesting Chilcutt found the same irregular pits on an entirely different cast from an entirely different part of the country independently of Dr. Krantz, isn't it?
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Chilcutt thought the irregular pits on the EC cast were from sweat pores.
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These bubbles, however, are sharp-edged, and are not as small as the apparent sweat pores. They are rather few, and not regularly spaced or lined up.
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kitakaze said:
This, coming from a fellow bemoaner of lazy reporting is truly astounding.
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There is an error in the story. I was trying to remember where I got that. I believe Jimmy Chilcutt over the reporter.

All of this should be approached with an open mind. I don't see that happening much, unfortunately.

My aplogies for the reference, Lu. This is from a reference to a conversation given to me in private for which I have no link for. Consider it nothing.
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It must be something, or you wouldn't have mentioned it.
 
LAL said:
There is an error in the story. I was trying to remember where I got that. I believe Jimmy Chilcutt over the reporter.

All of this should be approached with an open mind. I don't see that happening much, unfortunately.
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Where? With me or in general? My mind is very open to bf evidence.
It must be something, or you wouldn't have mentioned it.
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In this case it's my turn to respect privacy.
 
kitakaze said:
:confused:
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He's referring to the actual air bubbles. I had a feeling when I posted that it would trip somebody up. These are the preceding paragraphs:

"In many places in the specimens considered here one can see small indentations, or pores, located along the ridges. These are typically spaced about 0.5 mm apart, and are centered on the ridges. They vary in size from barely visible, less than 0.1 mm, up to a diameter of 0.2 mm. The ridges visibly widen around each of these pores. This is most clearly seen at the base of digit I of the "full left" track (Fig. 10). The margins of these pores curve gradually inward to the centers — there is not a sharp edge. Several forensic specialists who have examined this material agree that these are sweat pores.

The sweat pores are generally lined up regularly on adjacent dermal ridges, as opposed to having alternating or random positions. In other words, the pores also occur along lines drawn perpendicular to the ridges. This pattern is not regular, but it is a strong tendency — just as in human dermatoglyphics (see Figs. 10, 11, and 12)."

http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/dermal.html

Check the OM photos for similar indentations along the ridges. There are obvious air bubbles too.
 
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kitakaze wrote:
SweatyYeti is having fundamental problems understanding the question at hand to the extent of lengthy exposition illustrating the fact.
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No..no...not at all! I understand the question at hand very well....

"If a tree falls in the forest, and no-one is around to hear it...does it make a giraffe dance?" :p

BTW...cool story, wasn't it?
Think about it for minute....if Joyce didn't call just to LIE to me....Bigfoot really does exist. :) So simple
......and so likely the case.
 
tube said:
This is from CA-20, another cast from the Blue Creek Mountain trackway.
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Thanks for the photo. Got more, showing the rest of the cast, perhaps?

I don't think it's even clear to us (the trolls) what Jimmy Chicutt thinks are dermal ridges and which he doesn't. Now that I've seen flat ridges on an actual copy, I can see what those are, but without all the appropriate circles and arrows, it's a little difficult to tell what's what.

What does he say currently?
 
LAL said:
He's referring to the actual air bubbles. I had a feeling when I posted that it would trip somebody up. These are the preceding paragraphs:

"In many places in the specimens considered here one can see small indentations, or pores, located along the ridges. These are typically spaced about 0.5 mm apart, and are centered on the ridges. They vary in size from barely visible, less than 0.1 mm, up to a diameter of 0.2 mm. The ridges visibly widen around each of these pores. This is most clearly seen at the base of digit I of the "full left" track (Fig. 10). The margins of these pores curve gradually inward to the centers — there is not a sharp edge. Several forensic specialists who have examined this material agree that these are sweat pores.

The sweat pores are generally lined up regularly on adjacent dermal ridges, as opposed to having alternating or random positions. In other words, the pores also occur along lines drawn perpendicular to the ridges. This pattern is not regular, but it is a strong tendency — just as in human dermatoglyphics (see Figs. 10, 11, and 12)."

http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/dermal.html

Check the OM photos for similar indentations along the ridges. There are obvious air bubbles too.
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I guess two separate examplery casts from a trackway would suffice, no?
 
kitakaze said:
Oh joy. The rodeo clowns have come to dodge the bull.
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You mean bullsh!t surely? You seem to be dishing a hell of a lot of it out.

I'm thinking of reporting you for your high level of bullsh!try.
 
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