Hay Guys! New woowoo + CNN NWO video

[Yurebiz]

Hay guys! New Woowoo here.

A little background:
18 years-old, non-us-citizen who lives in PA, still in high school and living with parents, been following the 9-11 CT story for over a year, needs to get out more, complete waste of life, etc. A TRUE CTer, like some might say.

I hope I can be of entertainment for you while I’m here. I’m a CT watchdog: spend most of my time lurking forums/bloggers/nutjob sites like crazy, looking for different points of views and theories. Actually, I’ve been lurking this particular forum for over 3 months already.
I probably won’t be arguing much though, since I lack teh Engrish skillz, and also have roughly 0 credibility to begin with. But I’ll try posting some (YOUTUBE, LAWLS) videos and making a couple questions (like any other CTer, haha) when I see fit.

I promise I won’t get you annoyed with "the ol' same debunked material", as you claim it. If I ever do, I’ll just retire from these forums and become a OCTer myself.

Anyway, here’s the (YOUTUBE!!) video I bring you today:
Ehm. OK. You know I can’t put the link in yet, right? I’ll just leave the code then:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdxI0zClV_Y

So, my question is: Is the USG (or elements within) really pursuing a NWO? If so, how does this NWO mentioned in the video relates to the CTers NWO, which allegedly by them, already exists? Is CNN going woowoo?


Oops, those were 3 questions. Sorry ‘bout that.
If anyone is kind enough to put the link properly I'd appreciate it.

 

[maccy]

Welcome Yurebiz!

When you can do links (after 15 posts) this is how you embed a youtube video:

[yt]XdxI0zClV_Y[/yt]

And here's yours:

 

[jhunter1163]

Welcome to the forum, Yure. I fear you'll find it tough going here; this is a hardcore lot of skeptics and skeptics don't take kindly to nebulous questions like the ones you posed in your first post. Your opinions, though, will never be censored, like they would be on other forums I could name.

 

[WildCat]

The "New World Order" talked about by Bush 41 was simply the fact that foreign policy was no longer driven by the Cold War, and was now a post-Soviet, post-Cold War environment and thus had different agendas and purposes.

The CNN video was from a talk show and is an opinion piece, not news.

I don't know why people have such trouble distinquishing editorials/commentaries from actual news. BTW, I found the video just so much anti-free trade BS we see so much of lately.

 

[Yurebiz]

The "New World Order" talked about by Bush 41 was simply the fact that foreign policy was no longer driven by the Cold War, and was now a post-Soviet, post-Cold War environment and thus had different agendas and purposes.

The CNN video was from a talk show and is an opinion piece, not news.

I don't know why people have such trouble distinquishing editorials/commentaries from actual news. BTW, I found the video just so much anti-free trade BS we see so much of lately.

Ohh thanks, that was clarifying.

I didn't think it was really anything besides a commentary, but I didn't realize what sort of intent did CNN have to make such a connection. So it's just foreign policy on free trade? OK thanks.

 

[babazaroni]

It appears the phrase 'new world order' get loosely used in economics,politics and military, which allows ct'ers to connect them all together into one sinister conspiracy.

I'm quite surprised I have not seen that Bush video before. There he is, publicly admitting to a NWO, just like Silverstein publicly admitting he destroyed his building.

 

[uk_dave]

So it's just foreign policy on free trade? OK thanks.

Phew! That was easy. And not an owl feather in sight.

Welcome to the forum Yurebiz. I hope to see you participating on other threads too.

 

[Pardalis]

An interesting unparanoid take on the expression:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order

 

[defaultdotxbe]

i beleive this is bush srs first use of the phrase:

"Time and again in this century, the political map of the world was transformed. And in each instance, a New World Order came about through the advent of a new tyrant or the outbreak of a bloody global war, or its end."

doesnt make much sense if you replace NWO with "single world government" or soemthign to that effect, since we havent had that "time and again this century" but if you replace it with "major changes in foreign policy" it makes a lot more sense

 

[babazaroni]

Yurebiz, thanks for telling us about yourself. You may encounter some hostility here but don't let it provoke you into a nasty response. We are curious about how young people form their opinions on these matters.

 

[Architect]

Yurebiz

Welcome.

You already appear to show more honesty and reasoning skills that 28th, RemoveBush, NonBeliever, and PDoh. Keep it up, and you will find a welcome community - regardless of your views.

 

[beachnut]

Hay guys! New Woowoo here.

I promise I won’t get you annoyed with "the ol' same debunked material", as you claim it. If I ever do, I’ll just retire from these forums and become a OCTer myself.

Anyway, here’s the (YOUTUBE!!) video I bring you today:
Ehm. OK. You know I can’t put the link in yet, right? I’ll just leave the code then:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdxI0zClV_Y

So, my question is: Is the USG (or elements within) really pursuing a NWO? If so, how does this NWO mentioned in the video relates to the CTers NWO, which allegedly by them, already exists? Is CNN going woowoo?

Oops, those were 3 questions. Sorry ‘bout that.
If anyone is kind enough to put the link properly I'd appreciate it.

1. No there is not a USG and NWO thing, we vote the guys in and out of office every 2, 4 and 6 years. And we have restrictions on our military!

2 Daddy Bush was trying to make a great speech! It was the end of the Soviet Union and we were doing things different for the first time in 40 years. Daddy Bush was trying to be like Jefferson who when we started this country called it a "new order for the ages"; like NWO!!! THe break from tyrany!

3 CNN is woowoo, Lou Dobbs is leading the pack; They present stories to make you watch. They mess up the story! If you just watch CNN you will not see much. CNN use to show you what was going on, now they tell you why it is a bad thing it is going on. They stopped reporting and let a bunch of old guys talk their minds; woowoo. If you can past the junk you may find a little news you can hope the news services do not mess up everything.

But your first post is out of the box woo. You will not have a new approach, you are seeing thru the truth movement to motive; you may be much smarter than most CTers, if you are trying to tie motive to the crazy things CTers say you will fail.

If you do not understand the towers fell from fire after aircraft impact and jet fuel starting fires you will fail being a CTer.

We change our president ever 4 to 8 years. Just before 9/11 we had Bush after 8 years of Clinton. Not much changed. This happens all the time the cycles of our government. You are viewing a 50/50 type where we are more polarized. People realize we are the government, we can change it.

Good luck with you CT stuff; there was only one thing that happen on 9/11; Why and how did flight 93 passengers figure out 9/11 in a few minutes and CTer have just made up lies after 5 years. Are you as smart as our heroes of 9/11? The reason the CTers are wrong is they have no facts and they made up most of their lies years after 9/11.

You time with a nut case movement will not be long lasting unless you do a Tim McVeigh. There is a cure for terminally stupidity, most of us found it in education.

Welcome to CTer hell. Just joking. It would be neat if you just stated your entire theory up front and in the clear;

 

[beachnut]

good posts above, better than my junk! good lesson on CNN news and opinion, and NWO. See all the posts before me.

 

[Yurebiz]

Thanks for the polite greetings everyone...

I really believe there IS some sort of NWO though. A bunch of elite, world bankers, who control most of the international market. I just don't think they're as powerful as some CTers believe. I do think they're in control of the dollar currency today, since that 1913 thing. Well I never really researched into it too much, since all the CT crowd have are speculations, there's no reason to buy NWO theories running around.

The only reason why I'm a CTer is because I don't buy the WTC7 collapse, and since the NIST report didn't come to that point yet, I'd rather just watch people debating before putting my final bet on anything. For now I'm about 85% CTer and 15% OCTer... And yeah I know the NIST report "touched" on the subject, but I'd rather wait to see a final report; that's how a skeptic should behave, right?

Anyway thanks for the welcoming's, I promise I won't just start ranting about you guys being liars asses and leaving all of the sudden, haha.

 

[Pardalis]

That's refreshing to hear Yurebiz, and you're 18, maybe there's hope!

Please continue to read about 9/11, I'm sure you can get to lower your 85% even more.

 

[uk_dave]

I do think they're in control of the dollar currency today, since that 1913 thing. Well I never really researched into it too much, since all the CT crowd have are speculations, there's no reason to buy NWO theories running around.

Well they're doing a bang up job so far.....

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/currency/11/12/twelve_month.stm

 

[T.A.M.]

Yurebiz is the person I am quoting in this reply

I really believe there IS some sort of NWO though. A bunch of elite, world bankers, who control most of the international market. I just don't think they're as powerful as some CTers believe. I do think they're in control of the dollar currency today, since that 1913 thing. Well I never really researched into it too much, since all the CT crowd have are speculations, there's no reason to buy NWO theories running around.

A fair comment. I would go even further and say that if the ideaof an NWo is simply a dominance over world affairs by the wealthiest of the wealthy...than that is likely already underway, and has been around in some form or another for a LONG time. I think the difference comes in, when the agenda of said group comes in to play.

Most here have found no evidence that this group of wealthy are planning on taking over the world, and putting people in "camps" etc....

The only reason why I'm a CTer is because I don't buy the WTC7 collapse, and since the NIST report didn't come to that point yet, I'd rather just watch people debating before putting my final bet on anything.

If this is true, and therefore, you believe all other aspects of the Official Story are true, does it not seem odd to you that in the middle of an event that the WTC7 collapse orchestrators could have had no foreknowledge of (9/11), they suddenly carry out their plan. Do you think they were just waiting for an event like 9/11 to occur for them to take down WTC7. The reason I am asking this is you state the only reason you are a CTer is because of WTC7 collapse, therefore I am assuming, from that statement, that all other aspects of the Official Story on 9/11 sit fine with you.

Perhaps, instead, what you mean, is that you believe most of the CTs regarding 9/11, but the reason you believe them is only because you can't get around the mysterious collapse of WTC7. If this is the case, than your logic is flawed, as you should take each element, each aspect of the attack you consider "contraversial" and weight the evidence on each seperate, independent of WTC7.

For now I'm about 85% CTer and 15% OCTer... And yeah I know the NIST report "touched" on the subject, but I'd rather wait to see a final report; that's how a skeptic should behave, right?

You are right, that is how a skeptic should work with ALL evidence provided.

Anyway thanks for the welcoming's, I promise I won't just start ranting about you guys being liars asses and leaving all of the sudden, haha.

Glad to hear it...and welcome to the JREF Forum.

TAM

 

[Yurebiz]

Well they're doing a bang up job so far.....

*link*

Yeah some say that's on purpose... But again there's no way to know what the hell is their purpose.. so, I mean, It's really a matter of belief, like believing in God or something.
I am quite paranoid myself: I don't think it's bad to believe someone is watching your back, as long as you still hold composure while living your life. Being a concerned citizen against the Big Brother isn't a bad thing itself.. the problem is when they take it as far as to speculate beam weapons, no planes, and that 99% relatively impossible kind of thing. Hell, that sort of thing SO discredits the CT movement.

If this is true, and therefore, you believe all other aspects of the Official Story are true, does it not seem odd to you that in the middle of an event that the WTC7 collapse orchestrators could have had no foreknowledge of (9/11), they suddenly carry out their plan. Do you think they were just waiting for an event like 9/11 to occur for them to take down WTC7. The reason I am asking this is you state the only reason you are a CTer is because of WTC7 collapse, therefore I am assuming, from that statement, that all other aspects of the Official Story on 9/11 sit fine with you.

Hmm.. well, I do believe other aspects of the Commission report are flawed.. but the flaws themselves don't point to an Inside job, 90% of them could simply point to a major cover up of government failure.
The aspect I find fascinating is how WTC7 could collapse like that and the government completely fail to explain it... If a report comes out where they do explain.. then I'll probably be more of a OCTer, mostly 70%, altho I would still consider a LIHOP for about 30%.
It must be weird to see me using percentages to beliefs like that, but that's the way I can express how I believe things might have happened on 9/11. As long as there's no 100% proof of anything, I tend hold a share for each possibility to be fair with everything..

Glad to hear it...and welcome to the JREF Forum.

TAM

Thanks!

 

[T.A.M.]

Yurebiz:

Let me ask you this. Is the reason you have a big problem with why WTC7 collapsed because of the way in which collapsed...ie it looked just like a CD?

If your answer is yes, than answer me this. Have you seen a skyscraper that size comedown (collapse) via any other means besides CD?

If you answer no, than answer me this. If you only have CD to compare to the collapse of WTC7, than is there any other way, that could be presented to you, that you would accept as the cause of collapse for WTC7?

If yes, please tell me?

TAM

 

[uk_dave]

.. the problem is when they take it as far as to speculate beam weapons, no planes, and that 99% relatively impossible kind of thing. Hell, that sort of thing SO discredits the CT movement.

In your eyes, but in the eyes of the true believers beam weapons or holograms or mind control or whatever is perfectly plausible.

There's the rub, you see.

CT think is in the eye of the beholder.

We have dealt with the more extreme versions here (christophera and that LIAR 28th Kingdom come to mind) but ultimately they are indicative of the 'truth' movement as a whole.

If someone says "Oh it was holographic projections which fooled everyone" both you and I laugh. But if someone says "Oh it was CD which brought down WTC7" I'm the only one laughing.

But the 'critical thinking' skills you are using to dismiss the holographic plane theory are exactly the same skills you need to use to consider the CD theory of WTC7.

But it takes alot of effort for the CTer to make this jump.

For example, I recently saw a truther over on LC say that (this is from memory now) "there didn't have to be all that much explosive used to brng down the towers because of the damage caused by the planes and fire".

That person was a gnats pube away from realising that the structural damage and fire within the wtc towers was sufficient to cause collapse, but couldn't quite bring himself to accept this and so clung on to the CT of pre-planted explosives.

Also recently over at LC, one of the admins IVXX posted his theory regarding MIHOP. In this he postulated (ouch!) that the CIA were behind OBL and paid him to recruit and train and finance the 9/11 hijackers. But what IVXX couldn't quite reach was the obvious conclusion that he was accepting there was a desire amongst some in the mid-east to attack the US. The fact that OBL could recruit these people was admission that those people were there to be recruited. IVXX had to cling on to the CT that OBL was a CIA operative, because without this his CT was without basis.

Ultimately, the CTers final refuge away from the uncomfortable mirror which the no planers/space beamers/pig flyers hold up to them is to loudly proclaim that such people are govt disinfo agents tasked with discrediting the 'truth' movement.

But they're not.

They're just like you. You just don't agree with them.