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Blatant hot reading by Acorah.

Big Les

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I have to post my frustrations! Some of you will have subjected yourself to the "Antiques Ghostshow" with our old mate Derek "Kreed Kafer" Acorah; it's the most blatant example of hot reading I have ever witnessed on TV. I've seen two antiques "appraised" so far by both Acorah and the (in)credulous antiques experts, and his results have been stunning "hits", apparently backed up by subsequent historical research:

1) A mahogany chest owned by a Sgt William Slater, Royal Marines, who was frequently stationed overseas (can't resist a "duh" at that last!).
2) A mourning locket associated with a grand building in Brittany, France, and a name of De la salle.

Unfortunately, all of the information needed to make these statements was provided by the objects' owners, JUST before Acorah came on! For the chest, the "Sergeant" and Slater aspects of the name were given (so Acorah only needed to guess "William", a very common name), as was the fact that he was a Royal Marine (who by definition are often on ships far away!). For the locket, the woman told the presenter and experts that her relative had been shot on steps of a famous French building whose name escapes me (though I don't think it was in Brittany), and unless my memory fails me, she gave the de la Salle name as well!.

Now, the implication was that Acorah was not privy to the introductory spiel from the owners, but fact is that they did not state that he wasn't, and if he wasn't in the next room, he was damn close by. The only explanation for him repeating back the information given by the owners, is that that's exactly what he was doing. The audacity of this amazes me.

The historical research left much to be desired, clearly intended to go over the same ground the owners had already covered (hence why they knew something of the object's history already), but appearing to the believer or the casual viewer to support "thin air" conclusions drawn by Acorah. Where they tried to confirm his extrapolations, e.g. that the chest went with Sgt Slater on board ship, one military expert informed them that it was not military issue, simply because chests weren't issued to soldiers but rather were private purchase. The presenter (clearly a woo) was triumphant that this meant the chest COULD have been Slater's cabin trunk. Well, yes of couse it could have been. It could also have been a Vicar's underpants chest! Utter failure of logic.

Sorry, this has turned into a rant. It's frustrating that this programme is apparently too lazy to even employ cold reading, because you can't analyse what's being said to demonstrate that that's what it is. I have a certain measure of respect for good cold reading, but this appeared to be outright cheating of a kind I've never seen made into an entire TV show!

Here is one of the participants insisting that no collusion took place. Any thoughts?
 
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My thoiughts,big Les,are that no-one takes Acorah seriously anymore.He's like a pantomime villian,over the top and so see thru as to be of no consequence. :)
 
I disagree.

A woman I work with is just back from maternity leave and has been watching a lot of Living Tv. She thinks Derek believes he is really talking to spirits.

Yes.:boggled:
 
The man is a blatant fake, IMHO. He's not even a "good" psychic. He's verging on the incompetent............
 
I'd tend toward it being an affectation designed to assist rapport with female clients and appear non-threatening and sympathetic. If any of them are actually gay, well, for whatever reason (nature or nurture) flamboyantly gay men appear drawn to "showbiz" careers. It just happens that unlike many gay men in television, music and film, these cretins lack any innate talent and so choose fraud to sate their need to be seen and appreciated by the masses.
 
I am really getting tired of the "they really beleive that they are genuine mediums" statement that I am seeing about these people all the time. I don't think that should matter; not that I believe that people like Derek even really believe that. Two wrongs make a right? I don't think so. And Derek was proven to be a fake to his face, and he still can get away with saying "if I didn't truly believe I was a medium, I wouldn't be working as one." I wonder how much he makes per year. Too much, at any rate.
 
yeah, that whole " but they really believe they're physic" crap really pees me off, as if that makes preying on the vulnerable and raking in the cash morally ok. i could "really believe" im a brain surgeon but im guessing not too many people would be game to let me have a go at complex neuro-surgery. i'm continually amazed at the amount of seemingly rational people i know that buy into this medium/psychic nonsense.
 
Big Les, I like Derek, he spent a night buying me drinks once. What astonishes me is you actually sat through an entire episode of this show. The Antiques Ghost Show lasted only one series, and i would prefer to be beaten with pickled cod and buggered by deep fried halibut than watch it again.

cj x
 
Big Les, I like Derek, he spent a night buying me drinks once. What astonishes me is you actually sat through an entire episode of this show. The Antiques Ghost Show lasted only one series, and i would prefer to be beaten with pickled cod and buggered by deep fried halibut than watch it again.

cj x


That good, eh?
 
Why are so many mediums camp? Acorah,Fry,Holbrook,Van Pragh....

There is a long cultural explanation here, which I'm too tired to type, but I refer you to Alex Owen, The Darkened Room, Virago, 1986? You should be able to find reviews on the web. Excellent book about women and 19th century spiritualism which addresses this very question in passing...

Or i might feel better in the morning, and will answer then.
cj x
 
Why are so many mediums camp? Acorah,Fry,Holbrook,Van Pragh....
I don't know if it is related, but I have noticed (and this is totally anecdotal) that a majority of the people who believe in "spirit mediums" are women, and that what seems to be a high percentage of the men who believe in spirit mediums are openly gay.

Again, this is just my observation. Has anyone else noticed this?

Even assuming my observation is accurate, I have no idea what it means. It could mean nothing more than openly gay men are more likely than other men to admit to an attitude which is perceived by many as "feminine."

But again, if my observation is accurate, perhaps this would account for gay men becoming medium (assuming the men mentioned above are indeed gay), with them - at least initially - believing in their own "ability."
 
As a man who can spot a fake Prada manbag a mile away, I wish it to be stated for the record that I have never believed in spirit mediums, nor am I aware of any of my colleagues (who, incidentally, all listen to Madonna on a regular basis) who are fans of this tripe.

I HOPE its simply an anecdotal observation, RS. Maybe an LA thing?
 
I HOPE its simply an anecdotal observation, RS.
It could simply be a case of my noticing only the data elements which fit my theory.

It could also be that your particular set of colleagues are of above average intelligence? We all know that even intelligent people fall for this nonsense, but I think that in general, the more intelligent someone is, the less likely they are fall for it. (There, that's two broad sweeping statements for me in one thread!)

Maybe an LA thing?
Actually, the majority of contact I've had (knowingly) with believers in mediums has been online, so I don't think the LA scene enters into it.
 
Big Les, I like Derek, he spent a night buying me drinks once. What astonishes me is you actually sat through an entire episode of this show. The Antiques Ghost Show lasted only one series, and i would prefer to be beaten with pickled cod and buggered by deep fried halibut than watch it again.


How about Derek Acorah being beaten with pickled cod and then buggered by deep fried halibut? Now there's a show!
 
Unfortunately, all of the information needed to make these statements was provided by the objects' owners, JUST before Acorah came on!

Hi Les,

The above statement is not quite true mate, the information relating to the object was provided by the object's owner much earlier than that.

Just before this show went into production I made some inquiries into what kinda of thing they were looking for and how would one go about applying to be on the show.

As part of the application process, you had to send them a description of the object you wanted Derek to look at and include as much history of it as you could.

So he was well informed and the crew had as much time in the world as they needed to research additional info.

Dru.
 

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