ohp
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FarSideOfTheMoon
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Oh god help me, I'm watching it anyway. Fry is his usual vague self, cock-a-hoop when he lands an unexpected hit "I'm getting a one-way train ticket".. (wish he bloody would) "oh, the victim got a BUS". Something about a male who was close to the family being "involved" in the murder (back in 1957). Wow, genius - what percentage of people know their killers again? "Butchery". "garages or garage".
Bugger all of substance; he's not even that good a cold reader. As for the other two -
Stockwell tries some badly-lit psychometry with a broken bottle and comes off as a reject from Shirley Ghostman's "the Paranormalists". This is his stream of "sensings";
"Her mother's passed on" [- after all this time; likely I'd have thought.]
"Longish fair hair, dimples" [- really? On a little girl in the 1950s?]
"torture or humiliation before death" Real classy.
"strongly believed she's murdered" [-pretty safe bet after 50 years, don't you think? Tough to disprove too.]
"sexually motivated" [-playing to the crowd or what (see below)]
"one primary person, others aware, helping with disposal" [-implying an abuse "ring" (see below) but could refer to other joint killings e.g. the Wests, the Soham case.]
"Mature man maybe 40, thick-set". [-standard paedo/murderous middle-aged white guy schtick]
"his family still living...on..the Earth". [-I mean, seriously?]
"a driver of some description". "chloroform in the bottle". "dentist connection", "4 or 5 o-clock" "buried in tree-lined road or avenue" "murderers lived or work on outskirts of town or village" "she's tucked under there".
"Janice or Janet"
The sister, who has got in touch with the Fry-gang. claims to have been aware of a paedophile in the family, and that this was suppressed. She says the man, who she reveals as her fater, later admitted to being the last person to see her. From that she claims he was part of a murderous paedophile ring. God. This is pretty twisted.
The new face, some woman I've never heard of, is more of am "empathetic" style psychic, trying to appear to be putting herself in the position of the people involved. Her first effort involves miming the job of a bus driver (yeesh). "And that's how he got close to children." They're all but running to a script here in my opinion!
Apparently one of her father's friends was a bus driver and confessed in prison to abusing a young girl. Trained as a butcher in the army (?!) She makes out that the bus depot he worked from was the "garage or garages" thrown out by Fry earlier. "TJ" walks the area, rides a bus (sigh) and repeats and reinforces the same paedo-related speculation as she, Stockwell and the sister have already done.
Fry does likewise, having been briefed directly by the sister on her theory as to where and how the girl was buried. He parrots back to her, her idea that she was concealed in a ready-dug cemetary plot, so that she would be covered by a following burial. Unbelievable; he doesn't even hide this, just validates what she's already said, with some of the psychics made up tidbits thrown in for flavour.
"Dr Brian Venters" lends some measure of authority to proceedings by trotting out typical paedo profiling tidbits that are intercut with the psychic BS. He probably thinks he's helping. As does Tom Clarke MP, who supposedly gave the sister the idea to call Fry et al, and should bloody well know better.
Needless to say the psychics claim no prior knowledge of any of this. My arse. Sorry this isn't better formatted or more neutrally presented, but I have to stop as I actually feel dirty having watched this crap.
Bugger all of substance; he's not even that good a cold reader. As for the other two -
Stockwell tries some badly-lit psychometry with a broken bottle and comes off as a reject from Shirley Ghostman's "the Paranormalists". This is his stream of "sensings";
"Her mother's passed on" [- after all this time; likely I'd have thought.]
"Longish fair hair, dimples" [- really? On a little girl in the 1950s?]
"torture or humiliation before death" Real classy.
"strongly believed she's murdered" [-pretty safe bet after 50 years, don't you think? Tough to disprove too.]
"sexually motivated" [-playing to the crowd or what (see below)]
"one primary person, others aware, helping with disposal" [-implying an abuse "ring" (see below) but could refer to other joint killings e.g. the Wests, the Soham case.]
"Mature man maybe 40, thick-set". [-standard paedo/murderous middle-aged white guy schtick]
"his family still living...on..the Earth". [-I mean, seriously?]
"a driver of some description". "chloroform in the bottle". "dentist connection", "4 or 5 o-clock" "buried in tree-lined road or avenue" "murderers lived or work on outskirts of town or village" "she's tucked under there".
"Janice or Janet"
The sister, who has got in touch with the Fry-gang. claims to have been aware of a paedophile in the family, and that this was suppressed. She says the man, who she reveals as her fater, later admitted to being the last person to see her. From that she claims he was part of a murderous paedophile ring. God. This is pretty twisted.
The new face, some woman I've never heard of, is more of am "empathetic" style psychic, trying to appear to be putting herself in the position of the people involved. Her first effort involves miming the job of a bus driver (yeesh). "And that's how he got close to children." They're all but running to a script here in my opinion!
Apparently one of her father's friends was a bus driver and confessed in prison to abusing a young girl. Trained as a butcher in the army (?!) She makes out that the bus depot he worked from was the "garage or garages" thrown out by Fry earlier. "TJ" walks the area, rides a bus (sigh) and repeats and reinforces the same paedo-related speculation as she, Stockwell and the sister have already done.
Fry does likewise, having been briefed directly by the sister on her theory as to where and how the girl was buried. He parrots back to her, her idea that she was concealed in a ready-dug cemetary plot, so that she would be covered by a following burial. Unbelievable; he doesn't even hide this, just validates what she's already said, with some of the psychics made up tidbits thrown in for flavour.
"Dr Brian Venters" lends some measure of authority to proceedings by trotting out typical paedo profiling tidbits that are intercut with the psychic BS. He probably thinks he's helping. As does Tom Clarke MP, who supposedly gave the sister the idea to call Fry et al, and should bloody well know better.
Needless to say the psychics claim no prior knowledge of any of this. My arse. Sorry this isn't better formatted or more neutrally presented, but I have to stop as I actually feel dirty having watched this crap.
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volatile
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Oooh... now we've had genies in bottles.
And this charlatan has a website - http://www.azizshamanism.com/index.html...
ETA: Bafflingly, the narrators conclusion, after showing the people Peter claimed to be healing more ill than they were before, and I quote - "It is too easy to dismiss him out of hand"!
And this charlatan has a website - http://www.azizshamanism.com/index.html...
ETA: Bafflingly, the narrators conclusion, after showing the people Peter claimed to be healing more ill than they were before, and I quote - "It is too easy to dismiss him out of hand"!
ohp
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The guy struck me as an odd, quirky, probably self deluded. I can't imagine that someone who was deliberately conning people would agree to being filmed like this.
That said, the guy didn't volunteer his services. This guy charges 40 pounds an hour.
"supressed emotions cause crystals to form in the dna"
"They [fairies] are under the waterfall"
"the most powerful of his guides are the water spirits.."
There was a lady who had terminal colon cancer. His diagnosis was that by blocking a well, she had angered the water spirits, and this had contributed to her cancer.
very sad to see a woman get worse and worse, then die from a terminal disease, in spite of the optimism shown by the healer. Ultimately he blamed the chemotherapy. (what happened to the angered water spirits?)
I must admit, at one stage in this programme I was concerned that they were showing this man in a favorable light, but at the end, they showed him quoting the koran into a bottle of water, in the hope of conjouring up a water genie, and it was obvious they were showing him for waht he really was, a rather odd, and deluded man.
That said, the guy didn't volunteer his services. This guy charges 40 pounds an hour.
"supressed emotions cause crystals to form in the dna"
"They [fairies] are under the waterfall"
"the most powerful of his guides are the water spirits.."
There was a lady who had terminal colon cancer. His diagnosis was that by blocking a well, she had angered the water spirits, and this had contributed to her cancer.
very sad to see a woman get worse and worse, then die from a terminal disease, in spite of the optimism shown by the healer. Ultimately he blamed the chemotherapy. (what happened to the angered water spirits?)
I must admit, at one stage in this programme I was concerned that they were showing this man in a favorable light, but at the end, they showed him quoting the koran into a bottle of water, in the hope of conjouring up a water genie, and it was obvious they were showing him for waht he really was, a rather odd, and deluded man.
FarSideOfTheMoon
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The most disturbing thing was when the narrator said he could see why some people could get drawn into that world and believe it. Unfortunately I could totally understand his point, and we had two subjects in the film who fell under the spell.
One who delayed taking medication for several months.
And one who predictably died before the treatment took effect. Very sad.
One who delayed taking medication for several months.
And one who predictably died before the treatment took effect. Very sad.
Gord_in_Toronto
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Please don't (get out a little more often). If you do I'll have to watch these damn things when they show up here.
FarSideOfTheMoon
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I've still got Psychic Private Eyes to watch on Sky Plus
ohp
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That's a good plan. Who fancies a trip to vegas next week? I'll meet you at the riviera on Wednesday.
Deetee
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also Trees talking to him, Dragon's eggs and the genie in a bottle as mentioned above!
How does he get away with giving his group of troobleevers a "hallucinogenic drug"? I thought these things were illegal.
(It is quite clear he himself takes the stuff regularly.)
chillzero
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Mojo
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Try the Cancer Act 1939. He seems to be advertising cancer treatments.
FarSideOfTheMoon
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Trust Me I'm a Faith Healer is on next Monday again on BBC2 at 2200
Seems to be like a series. Can't remember what they are focusing on next week, however it looked interesting.
Seems to be like a series. Can't remember what they are focusing on next week, however it looked interesting.
The last few scenes were the most telling for me.
The healer basically said that he thought that the patients Chemotherapy was interfering with his powers, and that he would have done better if he had asked here to stop her Chemo altogether.
However.....what would have happened if she had made a full recovery. No doubt he would have attributed this fully to his own powers and NOTHING to do with the chemo.
These people REALLY annoy me.........
Phil
The healer basically said that he thought that the patients Chemotherapy was interfering with his powers, and that he would have done better if he had asked here to stop her Chemo altogether.
However.....what would have happened if she had made a full recovery. No doubt he would have attributed this fully to his own powers and NOTHING to do with the chemo.
These people REALLY annoy me.........
Phil