Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[podocarp]

Hello You-all; Podocarpos here! I hesitate to post anything at this Forum
because the set-up for each post, and reply, do not reasonably distinguish or name each 'poster' and 'critic', making it impossible to understand the whole! However, I believe 9/11 was thought out and prepared for, well in advance, and was the result of a conspiracy engineered by high placed Americans interested in creating a 'reason' for eliminating low-priced Iraqi crude 0il from limiting the profits of OPEC, and other American Family Oil Dynasties. The threat was known by the Administration, and could have been averted in a number of ways, including restoring Air Marshals on all planes, or by issuing an order for all pilots compartments to be completely sealed during flight! Also, whenever contact is lost with pilots, remote control devices could be used to overide in-plane controls, to defend against this type occurrence! Also
as ABSOLUTE method of averting a threatened 9/11 type event, THE GROUNDING ALL PLANES would have saved (200,000) TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND LIVES! OR MORE TO COME?

 

[SezMe]

Welcome, podocarp.

Please start your own new thread to discuss your ideas. They will get lost in this thread. Also, I am trying to get people to stop feeding Chris and would ask the same of you.

 

[Christophera]

You have evidence that money was paid? To every single structural engineer in the world?! Is money paid to new structural engineering college graduates as well to keep them hushed up? How much money do you think is necessary to hush thousands of these engineers?

Allright, I don't have evidence there were payoffs. Actually those things work more insidiously.

First there is an implied threat, then there is a suggestion that a large government contract "might" be pending IF a good enough job is done on the curretn 9-1 issue.

What I do have evidence for is that the towers had a cast concrete steel reinforced, tubular concrete core. Here is a 500 goot tall core that can only be concrete.

Concrete Core Of WTC 2​

There are more images showing what can only be concrete here.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

 

[Christophera]

Nobody has explained the fact that aliens were seen flying from the windows, either.

The above is an example of facts to deniers of truth.

There is verifiable truth in simple images.

What is 500 foot tall has the dimensions of the core area and can survive the crash of thousands of tons of steel over it?

VERY GOOD! Correct answer, a concrete core!​

 

[Zep]

Hi Chris,

Have a look at this pic, please. Do you agree it's the WTC? Do you agree that the angle of view is situated a few miles to the left of the one in your "concrete core" pic? If so, what is the building arrowed?



ETA: Needed to upload the picture properly.

 

[Christophera]

Welcome, podocarp.

Please start your own new thread to discuss your ideas. They will get lost in this thread. Also, I am trying to get people to stop feeding Chris and would ask the same of you.

This, coming from a guy that posts a thread at this date and time


22nd November 2006, 12:23 AM
SezMe
Master Poster
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69171



doubting that there were mass murders in the town he lives, my home town.

Wherein I prove there have been serious mass murders, then the guy pretends it doesn't matter and wishes HARD he never started the thread.

 

[Christophera]

Hi Chris,

Have a look at this pic, please. Do you agree it's the WTC? Do you agree that the angle of view is situated a few miles to the left of the one in your "concrete core" pic? If so, what is the building arrowed?

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_71045a1a76a1bee1.jpg[/qimg]

ETA: Needed to upload the picture properly.

I do not know what the building is. Not a New Yorker. If you are trying to say it represents the core in this image.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

I have another image a second later showing the core lower.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcore2stands.gif

 

[Christophera]

--posted deleted.

The way about 7000 posts in this thread should have been. Good going! Best thing you ever did.

 

[Christophera]

So you haven't seen the Loose Change DVD? That is what you are saying, correct?

There is no such thing as common-sense analysis. There is only qualified analysis. Are you qualified to analyse construction materials and their physical properties?

Yes, and I still haven't seen it.

Your mincing of words is pointless. Common sense is basically qualified and qualified is basically common sense. Official type qualifications are not needed, experience is fully adequate. Qualifications are a hinderence to gaining truth becuse qualified people feel intimidated in this issuse. Many people have common sense and are willing to use it.

For example. The NIST determination of collapse violates my common sense appraisal and experience as well as millions of other people.

Common sense tells anybody who is being honest with themselves that this image has no structural steel of any consequence showing and therefore must be concrete because it is 500 feet tall. Only steel reinforced concrete could stand like that.

Concrete Core Of WTC 2​

 

[Christophera]

Hello You-all; Podocarpos here! I hesitate to post anything at this Forum because the set-up for each post, and reply, do not reasonably distinguish or name each 'poster' and 'critic', making it impossible to understand the whole!

Yes, I understand. One of my major complaints of this forums software. When a poster quotes a first poster whatever that first poster quotes is not carried in the second post on the same subject. I carry them manually when they are important but it can be very tedious particularly when a posted makes many points that must be addressed.

However, I believe 9/11 was thought out and prepared for, well in advance, and was the result of a conspiracy engineered by high placed Americans

Correct, and I'm not quoting any more. Not because I believe you are wrong, but rather because I do not feel what you are saying is comprehensive enough to address the motives behind 9-11.

AS far as I can tell the US government was infiltrated in about 1950 and that the government was infiltrated at the same time. The infiltrations had a common agenda which was the creation of the cold war. That agenda was to create a reason for what would other wise be considered excessive secrecy, particularly the US. There were other reasons but that issue enabled the others,

Please feel free to post more as Sezme is simply appealling to you to curtail you right to free speech and applying some vague threat of stigmatization in effort to basically interfere with your right. You may chose to allow them to do this. I do not recommend this.

All those posting obfuscations here ARE interfering with my rights to free speech. An aspect of free speech says they have the right to. My right says I can sue them for it Civily but we have no courts that will uphold these rights on this level so that is a joke and they know it. I've already established that they have no interest in a lawful government so why should they endeavor to be lawful citizens.

Please, feel free to discuss more if you so chose.

ON EDIT:
To evidence their collusion and concern over you using your rights I found this.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2235714#post2235714

 

[Belz...]

That is a fallacy promoted by those that wish to control people and keep secrets with hypnosis.

B*llsh**.

But thanks for trying.

 

[Belz...]

I loath PDF's.

Reading hurts the brain, doesn't it ?

 

[Belz...]

I believe 9/11 was thought out and prepared for, well in advance, and was the result of a conspiracy engineered by high placed Americans interested in creating a 'reason' for eliminating low-priced Iraqi crude 0il from limiting the profits of OPEC

Except the Iraq war has nothing to do with 9/11. Haven't you been paying attention ?

The threat was known by the Administration, and could have been averted in a number of ways, including restoring Air Marshals on all planes, or by issuing an order for all pilots compartments to be completely sealed during flight!

Post hoc reasoning...

Also, whenever contact is lost with pilots, remote control devices could be used to overide in-plane controls, to defend against this type occurrence!

Please stop inventing technologies to support your wild fantasies. Thank you.

Also as ABSOLUTE method of averting a threatened 9/11 type event, THE GROUNDING ALL PLANES would have saved (200,000) TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND LIVES! OR MORE TO COME?

Of course, that's all assuming that they knew. Which they didn't. Unless you can prove otherwise. But then you did say it was a "belief".

 

[Big Al]

Chris, you never did give the slightest explanation of:

a) Why on Earth the relevant authorities ordained that the WTC should be wired for demolition 35 years ago, before Saddam, before bin Laden, before the Taleban... just in case it would come in handy, perhaps?

b) Why they made such a big deal of the steel core if it's so impossible. All you've done is to hint that they said there was a steel core because, some time in the future when it might become necessary to blow the buildings, people like you might ask where all the concrete went. Just a leetle paranoid?

c) Why they didn't blow the building in 1993 after the van bomb? Souinds like a perfect excuse to me, if you're just itching to blow up two of NYC's prime architectural achievements.

d) Why didn't they blow the buildings as soon as the airliners hit, rather than waiting over an hour for practically every TV camera and flying eye in the country to converge on the scene?

Still, I know you'll valiantly and cogently answer each of these just as diligently as you have in the past - i.e. ignore them.

 

[Gravy]

People, Chris is ill. Have you noticed that he is now responding to posts made in May?

I don't think anyone here would taunt a mentally ill person on the street day after day after day, but that's what's happening in this forum. I'm begging you to stop this.

 

[Loss Leader]

I'm gonna regret this, but ...

All those posting obfuscations here ARE interfering with my rights to free speech. An aspect of free speech says they have the right to. My right says I can sue them for it Civily but we have no courts that will uphold these rights on this level so that is a joke and they know it.

The only entity that must respect your right to free speech is the government. No private citizen may be held liable for violating one's rights to free speech, only the government. Since the JREF forum is not a government website and the people on it are not government employees acting on color of their authority, you have no civil suit. It's not just that courts won't uphold your rights, it is that the thing you claim is not a right at all. There is no such thing as private citizens interfering with free speech. It does not exist.

Once again, you are seeing the world through remarkably paranoid eyes. This is not normal. I know it seems normal to you, but that is because the organ that is thinking about your mental health is the same organ that is diseased. Get help today.

 

[Darat]

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All those posting obfuscations here ARE interfering with my rights to free speech. An aspect of free speech says they have the right to. My right says I can sue them for it Civily but we have no courts that will uphold these rights on this level so that is a joke and they know it. I've already established that they have no interest in a lawful government so why should they endeavor to be lawful citizens.

Please, feel free to discuss more if you so chose.

...snip...

Christophera your statement is silly; Membership here is not a right it is solely at the discretion of the JREF. What you are allowed to say here (that does not breach a law) is entirely up to the JREF. They could tomorrow say that all Members here can only discuss pink blancmange and that would not be any infringement of any rights.

I have been lenient in regards to accusations that you are in fact spamming with this thread (which would be against the Forum rules), however if you continue to "bump" this thread by replying to posts from as far back as May and just adding the same information, links and so on that you were in May I will consider that you are spamming the Forum and take appropriate action.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

 

[Christophera]

Chris,

We are talking about the North tower, not the South tower. Please pay attention.

Show me RAW evidence of the North tower's concrete core at elevation in demo photos. After all, that is the evidence you demand of us to prove steel core columns.

Sorry I missed answering this. So many nonsense posts do make it hard to find the quality questions.

To the left of the spire is the concrete shear wall. Here is the annotated zoomed image

 

[Christophera]

I seem to recall that Chris claimed that the alleged concrete core was poured seven stories behind construction. Take a look at this picture here
I haven't seen it in this thread before. Can anyone back up my assertion that this shows construction more than seven stories high on BOTH towers and yet no sign of a concrete core yet? Is it possibly the "smoking gun" to Chris' ficticious construction plan? It could well be...

That does not even appear to be the WTC.

The concrete core is very visible during the demoliton.

Concrete Core Of WTC 2​

 

[Belz...]

The public can view without registering. Many wonder how 2, 1300 foot towers could fall at near free fall, nearly identically to the ground.

They can wonder all they want.