Common Sense

[PerryLogan]

The Truthers are claiming that the most incompetent administration in American history brought off the trickiest hoax in world history, leaving tons of obvious clues...and fooled everyone in the world but them.

Sounds more like nonsense than common sense.

 

[eeyore1954]

Here's what you don't understand. There is no evidence that will convince you 9/11 is not an inside job... because in order to espy the truth about 9/11 you need the ability to piece together information in a way that forms a big picture. You all like to take things (evidence) one by one in a linear fashion, proceed to "debunk" them, which in your pseudo world really just means "deny" them (burden of proof - who needs that) and then move along to the next thing.

did it ever occur to you that you are actually describing yourself if you place the word not after the first 9/11 is.

 

[Ratatoskr]

When I think of "common sense", I think of things that are easily understandable for me, because I have previous experience with other things on the same subject. Like it's common sense that when I flip the bottle upside down the contents will fall out because I know that gravity will do the job.

The problem with common sense is that people don't always understand things due to lack of knowledge, or just ignorance. People who had problems with other peoples "common sense" are for instance Galileo Galilei and Kepler.

So when people says that this or that could not happen because "common sense" tell them it will not happen, it's because they don't have any (or little) experience on the subject.

Your common sense isn't necessarily the same as my common sense.

And that's the reason my skeptic-blog project was renamed from "common sense"

Or put in other words: If your common sense tell you something, and evidence shows otherwise, you've (hopefully) learned something.

 

[slingblade]

"The Dork Side of the Farce"

Yea... real right-brained... you 3747474. So what do you do for a living? Computer programming?

That would be an ad hominem argument, dear boy. What I do for a living has no bearing on the origins and meaning of the term "common sense."

Do try to stick to the arguments you start.

The term common sense does not mean what you think it means. It should not be used in the manner in which you use it, which is to say, as an insult.
Stop and compare the following two concepts: "knowledge which is common, which just about everyone knows," and "questioning lifelong assumptions."

If you do this succesfully, you will understand your misuse of the term "common sense."

 

[28th Kingdom]

The Truthers are claiming that the most incompetent administration in American history brought off the trickiest hoax in world history, leaving tons of obvious clues...and fooled everyone in the world but them.

Sounds more like nonsense than common sense.

Show me proof that the group of men and women who are the highest elected officials in the richest and most powerful nation in the world are incompetent. What, because W. is a lousy speaker?

Maybe they just play dumb on t.v. - maybe they know that people expect less from those who they view as incompetent and so they play that up, in order to use it (incompetence) as a get-out-of-jail-free-card.

 

[Architect]

What common sense does tell us - is that NIST's Theory (of how the collapses occurred) is physically impossible.

And yet he refuses to post any evidence to this effect and puts anyone who starts to beat him in an argument on Ignore.

Hmmmmm

 

[Firestone]

28th Kingdom, while I appreciate (and I'm clearly not the only one) you giving us a clear description of the standard CTist, don't you think it is time you start answering questions and providing evidence for you claims in the threads you fled from?

Here's what you don't understand. There is no evidence that will convince you 9/11 is an inside job... because in order to espy the truth about 9/11 you need the ability to piece together information in a way that forms a big picture. You all like to take things (evidence) one by one in a linear fashion, proceed to "debunk" them, which in your pseudo world really just means "deny" them (burden of proof - who needs that) and then move along to the next thing.

See, nothing ever adds up with you guys, because you are constantly working from ground zero i.e. square one, the beginning

My (assumed ) deficiencies are no excuse for you not to provide evidence for your claims and accusations.

If I'm too stupid or too half-brained to understand your evidence, that is my problem, not yours.

So, please go back to the threads you fled from, and start giving your evidence! Don't let my stupidity hold you back!

 

[slingblade]

Stop derailing, 28, and get back on topic.

Before you can state this:

Here is an essential action in the processing of common sense

you must define your terms. Define "common sense."

 

[Curnir]

Here's what you don't understand. There is no evidence that will convince you 9/11 is an inside job...

Bovine Manuer, if there were evidence that held up to a review, I'd believe. But you know what? There is not a shred, nothing, bubkiss, zip, zero, nada, nichts to support your wild assed guesses (I am not going to call them theories because doing so would sully the word)

because in order to espy the truth about 9/11 you need the ability to piece together information in a way that forms a big picture.

1.And you have that ability?
2.Big picture? Please, dingbat CTist wouldn't know a big picture if it was painted purple dancing naked ontop of a harpsicord singing 'Big Pictures are here again'

You all like to take things (evidence) one by one in a linear fashion, proceed to "debunk" them, which in your pseudo world really just means "deny" them (burden of proof - who needs that) and then move along to the next thing.

Ah but that is the beauty of it. If you make an assertion about something you had better be prepared to show evidence that supports it.
If PersonX make a claim, like "the towers fell in freefall due to a controlled detonation" or "there is a Jumping Purple Kangaroo living in my attic", the burden of evidence is on that PersonX. And it had better be better than some googled pics and lame conjectures.

See, nothing ever adds up with you guys, because you are constantly working from ground zero i.e. square one, the beginning

Bovine manuer!
I'll tell you something that adds up.
Highly motivated terrorists flew planes that were filled with aviation fuel into WTC1 and 2, the resulting fires of fuel, paper, plastic, wood and other flamable materials resulted in a structural weakening of the remaining steel structure. Which led to a collapse and fall of the structure above the point of impact and the subsequent pancaking of the floors below (slower than freefall I might add) one of the buildings tumbled into WTC7 and tore a mother of a big hole in it, caused structual damage and started fires, resulting in the collapse of this building.

 

[JimBenArm]

you must define your terms. Define "common sense."

Here, allow me! Common sense is anything that doesn't adequately explain why something happens, but doesn't make 28IQ's head hurt when he thinks about it.

 

[28th Kingdom]

Highly motivated terrorists flew planes that were filled with aviation fuel into WTC1 and 2, the resulting fires of fuel, paper, plastic, wood and other flamable materials resulted in a structural weakening of the remaining steel structure. Which led to a collapse and fall of the structure above the point of impact and the subsequent pancaking of the floors below (slower than freefall I might add) one of the buildings tumbled into WTC7 and tore a mother of a big hole in it, caused structual damage and started fires, resulting in the collapse of this building.

So flying a two seater and flying a commercial airliner...hey, pretty much the same thing right? I mean if a kid can drive a go-cart than surely they can drive an 18-wheeler.

Surely the Pentagon i.e. the headquarters for the world's most elite military defense is a sitting duck and incapable of defending itself without, what - about a three hour heads up? Surely, they knew that a plane was heading straight for them... surely at this point they knew that other planes had already been hijacked....surely they were just poor sitting ducks...surely, I would get banned if I really told you how low my opinion is of you, and so I will just add you to my ignore list.

Surely... you are one hopeless individual.

 

[maccy]

So flying a two seater and flying a commercial airliner...hey, pretty much the same thing right? I mean if a kid can drive a go-cart than surely they can drive an 18-wheeler.

Surely the Pentagon i.e. the headquarters for the world's most elite military defense is a sitting duck and incapable of defending itself without, what - about a three hour heads up? Surely, they knew that a plane was heading straight for them... surely at this point they knew that other planes had already been hijacked....surely they were just poor sitting ducks...surely, I would get banned if I really told you how low my opinion is of you, and so I will just add you to my ignore list.

Surely... you are one hopeless individual.

Your speculation only shows your ignorance of the facts of the matter.

 

[Curnir]

So flying a two seater and flying a commercial airliner...hey, pretty much the same thing right? I mean if a kid can drive a go-cart than surely they can drive an 18-wheeler.

I think this is a poor attempt at sarcasm... but you never know.

Would a kid be able to drive a 18-wheeler at high speed into a building? Heck yeah!

Surely the Pentagon i.e. the headquarters for the world's most elite military defense is a sitting duck and incapable of defending itself without, what - about a three hour heads up? Surely, they knew that a plane was heading straight for them... surely at this point they knew that other planes had already been hijacked....surely they were just poor sitting ducks...surely, I would get banned if I really told you how low my opinion is of you, and so I will just add you to my ignore list.

oh that's a lot of surely. And I get to be on your prestigious ignore list! Oh joy!

Surely... you are one hopeless individual.

Heh... you're projecting.

 

[Psiload]

Common sense...

Roses smell better than cabbage, therefore they make a better soup.

 

[aggle-rithm]

"The Dork Side of the Farce"

Yea... real right-brained... you 3747474. So what do you do for a living? Computer programming?

I'm a programmer. Programming requires a great deal of imagination. You would know that if you had ever done it.

My first major was in music composition. Do you think that requires imagination?

 

[MortFurd]

So flying a two seater and flying a commercial airliner...hey, pretty much the same thing right? I mean if a kid can drive a go-cart than surely they can drive an 18-wheeler.

Actually, yes. A kid could drive an 18 wheeler. Not well, and would probably cause accidents and a lot of damage, but yes.

Surely the Pentagon i.e. the headquarters for the world's most elite military defense is a sitting duck and incapable of defending itself without, what - about a three hour heads up? Surely, they knew that a plane was heading straight for them... surely at this point they knew that other planes had already been hijacked....surely they were just poor sitting ducks...surely, I would get banned if I really told you how low my opinion is of you, and so I will just add you to my ignore list.

Surely... you are one hopeless individual.

They did not know that a plane was headed for them until just before it hit. You have no proof that anyone (except the hijackers) knew where the planes were going once they were hijacked.


Until the plane actually was in its descent, mere minutes (or seconds) from impact, there was no way to tell wher it wsa really going to hit.

To push you further in a hole:
Even if it were known that one of the planes was headed for Washington DC, do you suppose that it should have been shot down because it had been hijacked and was flying in a direction not given in its flight plan?

 

[Skibum]

So flying a two seater and flying a commercial airliner...hey, pretty much the same thing right? I mean if a kid can drive a go-cart than surely they can drive an 18-wheeler.

Surely the Pentagon i.e. the headquarters for the world's most elite military defense is a sitting duck and incapable of defending itself without, what - about a three hour heads up? Surely, they knew that a plane was heading straight for them... surely at this point they knew that other planes had already been hijacked....surely they were just poor sitting ducks...surely, I would get banned if I really told you how low my opinion is of you, and so I will just add you to my ignore list.

Surely... you are one hopeless individual.

I submit this post as proof you lack common sense and imagination.

 

[JimBenArm]

and so I will just add you to my ignore list.

We're going to need a new badge. One that says "NOT On 28th's Ignore List". It'll be much smaller group.

 

[bonavada]

common sense observation

i counted right watching this:-



but the outcome is still a big surprise and defies common sense....
gender differences........HAH!

:-]

BV

 

[aggle-rithm]

One definition of common sense (and I've brought this up in another thread) is the instinctual reasoning required to survive in the environment we evolved in -- the plains of Africa. Much of what we experience in today's world is nothing like what our ancestors would have experienced then, so we lack the wiring to really comprehend it without a mathematical model. This is particularly true of relativity and quantum physics, but is also relevant to more mundane subjects.

One of my calculus teachers used to laugh at our incredulity when we came up with HUGE numbers solving word problems to determine the energy released by moving water. It's so hard to believe that this harmless stuff that we bathe and shower in could, in sufficient quantities, rip a building off its foundation.

It's fortunate for us that mathematics happens to be so useful in modelling reality, because our common sense doesn't do so well at this task.