Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

[carcharodon]

The conditions are pretty reasonable on the $100,000 challenge. Just duplicate the tracks as they were found in 1958. Since the Wallace family claimed Ray faked the tracks and supposedly knew how it was done, it should have been an easy matter for them to collect the $100,000. In fact, they were the reason the reward was offered in the first place. John was tired of their nonsense.

Great point LAL. A point which has never been successfully refuted.

 

[carcharodon]

Hey Tube.. Check out those prints Lu just linked to as well as the one above..

Grass all around, except for in the body of the print ...

That shows you how sophisticated a crowd we are dealing with here; and Lu keeps pointing to this stuff and saying:

" See.. There really is a Bigfoot.. It's real I tell you ... "

*Puts hand up*.

Sir! Sir! I CLEARLY see grass in the body of that print. I really do think you still need to get your eyes tested Diogenes.

 

[carcharodon]

BTW, Jeff is a specialist in primate foot anatomy and teaches anatomy and anthropology. Tube makes lamps.

Is that right? I didn't know that LAL. Thanks a lot for that snippet of information. So, we are suggested to ignore the analysis of a proffesor of anatomy and anthropology.............and go with a lamp maker instead?

This place is hilarious!LOL. I'm glad I came by for a bit of amusement.

I've heard it all now. Lamp makers. Hehe.

 

[LAL]

By the way, LAL already gave the details of where the challenge is to be found. Simply read it in the book she refered to. I have seen it online. I'll see if I can find it again.

I posted the page because I couldn't find it online. I did have a link.

I'm greatly restricted by the 146.5 KB limit on JPEG here. However, the text can be read with a magnifier easily enough. John wanted others who saw the tracks to be in this. He may be the only living witness by now and he's 80. He's still feisty as ever, apparently.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

BTW, Jeff is a specialist in primate foot anatomy and teaches anatomy and anthropology. Tube makes lamps.

Yeah, pretty sad huh ?

 

[LAL]

Is that right? I didn't know that LAL. Thanks a lot for that snippet of information. So, we are suggested to ignore the analysis of a proffesor of anatomy and anthropology.............and go with a lamp maker instead?

This place is hilarious!LOL. I'm glad I came by for a bit of amusement.

I've heard it all now. Lamp makers. Hehe.

It gets better. Tube had a carnival act where he swallowed a - guess what- tube. He then went to school and became a pharmacist. To my knowlege, he's had no training in fingerprinting. Melissa has. Chilcutt, well:

"Investigator Jimmy Chilcutt retired from the Conroe Police Department after 18 years as a latent fingerprint examiner and crime scene investigator. He has over 26 years active duty as a police officer and holds a Master Police Officer Certification from the State of Texas.

After graduating from Jackson High School in Lubbock, Texas Chilcutt entered the U.S. Army as a Pvt. E-1 and left the service after 9 years, attaining the rank of Chief Warrant Officer W-2. He had tours of duty in Korea and Vietnam.

Investigator Chilcutt has over one thousand classroom hours of instruction in forensic subjects including basic identification at D.P.S. Austin, advanced latent fingerprint comparison F.B.I. University of Houston, advanced latent palm print comparison Mississippi State Crime Lab, advanced crime scene investigation, and many other forensic related subjects. He has testified as a fingerprint expert on County, District and Federal courts in several counties in Texas and North Carolina.

In the Crime lab he has developed unique procedures in developing latent fingerprints that have drawn hundreds of requests from Federal, State, and County agencies to process their evidence. These agencies include FBI, DEA, U.S. Customs Service, U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Postal Service, DPS Narcotic Units throughout Texas, and various County Sheriff Departments.

Awards received for his outstanding service in forensics include, three City of Conroe outstanding officer awards, one meritorious service award, three county wide officer of the year awards, the 100 Club officer of the year award, and the coveted Directors Award from the director of the Texas Department of Public Safety.

Investigator Chilcutt has often been a guest lecturer at Sam Houston State University, Idaho State University, North Harris County College, and for the Conroe High School Criminal Justice Program. He also teaches the State of Texas Intermediate Crime Scene Investigation Core Course at the FBI/Conroe P.D. training facility."

http://www.jhcforensicconsultant.com/

 

[LAL]

Great point LAL. A point which has never been successfully refuted.

Thank you. The Wallace's got their film deal, though.

Tube seems to be doing another one of his drive-by postings. I'd like to know if the picture of the footprint he says isn't bilaterally symetrical enough is a 13" or a 15" print.

BTW, I got the biographical info from his posts.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

*Puts hand up*.

Sir! Sir! I CLEARLY see grass in the body of that print. I really do think you still need to get your eyes tested Diogenes.

Really sad sir...

Yes there is some grass in the print.. try comparing it to the grass that is all around the print..

Psssst... The Emperor is in his underwear .....



Anyone know the result of the analysis of the hair found in the prints ?

 

[desertyeti]

Can anyone remind me of the professional qualifications of:
John Green
Rick Noll
Chris Murphy
Peter Byrne
or
Rene Dahinden?
I can't recall what fields of biology and/or sedimentary geology their Ph.D.s were in.
As I've mentioned before, mine's in clastic sedimentology and ichnology.
Incidentally, Tube is also a pharmacist (knows his science and chemistry well and has the degree to prove it).

Perhaps ol' Charchy and Lu could also enlighten the forum as to their fields of specialization (if we lowly pleebs deserve this honor, of course)?

 

[kitakaze]

Kitikaze:
It's interesting that you picked one of the exact methods we used as kids to fake footprints...

It's funny because when I looked at those snow tracks it only took a moment's thought to come up with that idea. It's cool to see someone else had the idea.

BTW, did you actually freak anyone out?

 

[LAL]

This is the 13" print on a sandbar.

Bluff Creek was only about 10 miles away and several thousand feet down. Green says they'd checked the same same two tracks on a sandbar in Bluff Creek. These prints were made the same night as the ones on the ridge.They saved the best for Don Abbott to see (The Best of Sasquatch Bigfoot, pg. 72). Why get away from Green? He was there.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

This is the 13" print on a sandbar.

Bluff Creek was only about 10 miles away and several thousand feet down. Green says they'd checked the same same two tracks on a sandbar in Bluff Creek. These prints were made the same night as the ones on the ridge.They saved the best for Don Abbott to see (The Best of Sasquatch Bigfoot, pg. 72). Why get away from Green? He was there.

That is an interesting looking sandbar ..

Doesn't look like sand.. Looks like top-soil .. Is that grass ... ??

Whatever the caption reads, I guess..

 

[desertyeti]

Bluff Creek...Patterson...Paul Freeman...Cripple Foot...

Is there anything from this century worth discussing (aside from the wonderful elk imprint from Washington)? Where are all the spectacular multi-mile trackways, the extraordinary fence-leaping feats, the new and shocking videos????? The irrefutable photos, tracks, scat, hair, and blood samples that have come from all the tirless and successful (according to some individuals and groups) seeking of giant ape-men?!?!?!?!
Oh...yeah....forgot....

 

[kitakaze]

Bluff Creek...Patterson...Paul Freeman...Cripple Foot...

Is there anything from this century worth discussing (aside from the wonderful elk imprint from Washington)? Where are all the spectacular multi-mile trackways, the extraordinary fence-leaping feats, the new and shocking videos????? The irrefutable photos, tracks, scat, hair, and blood samples that have come from all the tirless and successful (according to some individuals and groups) seeking of giant ape-men?!?!?!?!
Oh...yeah....forgot....

Aging thinly dispersed population (to tuckered for truckin')? Recognizes cameras, firearms, can see infrared, hear trailcams, buries dead, and what are you going try doing with separate DNA extractions- compare them to eachother?

Why do you ask so much?

 

[desertyeti]

Just my acursed natural curiosity.
Do you think it'd be better if I just sit back and listen to fables and unqualified interpretations without forming my own quesitons and hypotheses?
oops...did it again!!!
Another question!!!

 

[Orthoptera]

It's funny because when I looked at those snow tracks it only took a moment's thought to come up with that idea. It's cool to see someone else had the idea.

BTW, did you actually freak anyone out?

Kitakaze:
Not as far as I know. When you think about it, who pays much attention to footprints in snow?

 

[LAL]

It's funny because when I looked at those snow tracks it only took a moment's thought to come up with that idea. It's cool to see someone else had the idea.

The deputies in Oregon evidently did too.

BTW, there were no fences close to the trackway. The area had a history, even though it was rather open for activity. There were multiple sightings at a trailer park, e.g., and a near collision with a car full of terrified teens.

One of the photos was straight down into the print. I wish I had copies of those snapshots. At the time I had no intention of ever being on the Internet. There barely was an Internet.

 

[LAL]

Can anyone remind me of the professional qualifications of:
John Green
Rick Noll
Chris Murphy
Peter Byrne
or
Rene Dahinden?
I can't recall what fields of biology and/or sedimentary geology their Ph.D.s were in.
As I've mentioned before, mine's in clastic sedimentology and ichnology.
Incidentally, Tube is also a pharmacist (knows his science and chemistry well and has the degree to prove it).

Perhaps ol' Charchy and Lu could also enlighten the forum as to their fields of specialization (if we lowly pleebs deserve this honor, of course)?

I mentioned tube was a pharmacist above.

Rather than try to reconstruct the biographical info I so laboriously typed out and lost in a disconnection, I'll let the unfamiliar do their own Googling for now. All of the above are researchers and all, except possibly Murphy, spent considerable time in the field and all, except possibly Murphy, who wrote one of the best books on the phenomenon, examined prints in situ rather than from photos and copies of casts.

I'm not claiming any expertise, so what do my qualifications matter? You've posted yours several times. Just how many eastern forests have you seen? The photo you posted on BFF looked like the Morton Arboretum, or maybe Lincoln Park. There's plenty of evergreen cover in WNC, I assure you.

My brother's a nuclear physicist, my dad wrote science books for children after producing a radio show with brilliant kids, all my kids have degrees, and I'm very slowly working on one. Does that count?

I used to live in the forest in the county with the highest # of sas sightings in the country, but I never even got to see the resident cougar, dammit.

 

[LAL]

Just my acursed natural curiosity.
Do you think it'd be better if I just sit back and listen to fables and unqualified interpretations without forming my own quesitons and hypotheses?
oops...did it again!!!
Another question!!!

And the way you phrased it certainly shows your bias.

 

[kitakaze]

The deputies in Oregon evidently did too.

BTW, there were no fences close to the trackway. The area had a history, even though it was rather open for activity. There were multiple sightings at a trailer park, e.g., and a near collision with a car full of terrified teens.

One of the photos was straight down into the print. I wish I had copies of those snapshots. At the time I had no intention of ever being on the Internet. There barely was an Internet.

LAL, to be fair I'm sure it's reasonable to assume that an area with 'history' in no way dictates a BF to be present. Just how open was the area?

I'm taking the small liberty of bolding the parts of your quotes that I think the more incredulous might predictably pick upon.