How Loony are the Loons?

As a lurker so far, I think Arus808 has the right idea. He purposely won't use the quote function. But there is a way to thwart him. Stop posting to this thread and he won't be able to engage in his childish games.
 
Agreed. Don't let his rants provoke you to respond. Due to his issues with the quote function, he cannot absorb new concepts anyway.
 
RemoveBush said:
"Indolent Wretch - Do you believe it is possible that two fully fueled jet liners colliding with multiple floors of a giant building full of combustible material, with no effective fire supression, could really cause a few small pockets of fire?"

Again with the FULLY LOADED/FUELED crap? Planes are NOT loaded FULL OF FUEL!

Because then mindless people like you might see through the smoke and mirrors and they would not have gotten as far as they have!

"A) Much cheaper"

For who? It has cost the American people TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS so who is it cheaper for? In CHAOS they could steel. Just look at all the money that they cannot account for! Now do you think that they could do this if 9/11 did not happen?

"B) Much easier than wiring a whole building up with explosives"

Easier for who? I would bet money that if in deed the towers were brought down as is beleived by CD that it was not anyone from the US that did it. So who are those other countries that we MIGHT get to do this??? How about Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Isreal?

"C) Much less likely to have people point at the building and go 'Hey that was a controlled demolition?'""

Not when they have people like you who ask such rediculous questions in this fashion instead of saying, could this be possible? The answer to that is YES. Your type of attitude is just what they were hopping for and started the bashing from the start. "Let's not stand for Conspiracy Theories" and you fell HOOK LINE AND SINKER for it.

I don't know what the TRUE truth is, and I know YOU don't. If you say you do then you are LYING! Not even the members of Congress truely know the truth, why do you think so many of them have questions and doubt the official story?
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Truth is.
 
RemoveBush,
Since you have done little or no research into 9/11, OKC bombing, and the JFK assassination, outside of Conspiracy websites. You are bringing nothing to this subforum that hasn't been discussed and (for the most part) debunked or explained (use the search function to find them). You are therefore quite boring. When you decide to reach a level of maturity that would indicate to me that you are willing to discuss things in a reasonable way (using the Quote Button is a good start; a simple and reasonable request on our part) I will return to this thread and continue reading your posts. Until then "the secret is to bang the rocks together."
 
"Dr. Lao - Just a note on load factors and such, as it is an area I actually am an expert in.

Load factors go up and down depending on time of day, time of the year and day of the week. Just because there were 37 on the plane, you wouldn't cancel the flight, because of a few things:

Cargo, planes are loaded with cargo and mail, and you make good money for that.

Cancelling a flight costs a lot of money, you have to pay to put passengers on other flights, and when you cancel one flight, you also cancel the return flight which costs money from moving those passengers and cargo around. Also, if you get a reputation as an airline that will cancel flights due to low loads, guess what? People won't fly you because they want to be sure that their flight will be running.

Miscellaneous stuff, if you cancel a flight, you gotta put that plane somewhere, which can be a hassle at a big airport. If you downgrade the plane to a smaller one, you need to pull a reserve crew that is qualified to fly that plane, and another one for the return back (if you violate crew rest rules), and you are sending the receiving station a plane type that they may not see too often which brings up issues with training and mechanical support, spares, etc."

I never said it HAPPENS ALL THE TIME! I said it DOES HAPPEN. I know it has happened to me.

"Dr. Lao - As for gassing passengers, LOL, that is straight out of Sci-Fi."

Really???? So at 30,000 ft, what happens if the AIR is shut off and the cabin is no longer pressurized???? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


"Non airline people have zero clue about planes. Every single item on that plane, from a reading lamp light bulb to the button to recline your seat has a number and is tracked and whenever any mechanical work is done on any part of the plane, its cataloged and entered into the records. The stupid idea that somehow the evil government folks could sneak onto a plane while its on RON and install, test and then somehow conceal an elaborate gassing system, or a remote control flying system in the cockpit, without a single person noticing it is so far into the realm of sci fi, that it shouldn't even dignify a response."

Really???? You don't think that someone could do any of this??? I do recal hearing many stories of people actually gaining access to sensitive area's well before 9/11. They don't have to do anything but, upload a MODIFIED version of the control code for the plane. When a signal is recieved, the code will run the special code that COULD lock out all routines that would allow the pilots or anyone else to over ride the controlls. Since EVERYTHING on those 767 planes are computer controlled, this is realitively easy.

"Dr. Lao - But, we are talking about CT losers, who are out of touch with reality........."

So then I guess you believe in god??? Someone or something that no one has seen and only a few people claim to have heard him. There is ZERO scientific evidence to support any claims about it. Yet without EVER seeing this god you follow every word of the bible, even though none of it can be proven......

You see, there's more than one possibility to everything until it has been proven 100% by science.
 
"JonnyFive - I think this is a good point. The idea was to take the planes over and use them as weapons, and that was probably more easily accomplished with less resistance on board."

Right, but as you deniers often point out....... The protocal before was to not resist and do what the hijackers wanted and take them to where they asked. The passengers knew this, and until the last minutes when they started getting word, like in some of the later planes that crashed.

Now who is making things fit their needs?????

I don't deny that it is easier, but hijackings happened before and passengers did not bum rush the hijackers with even a more filled plane.
 
"pomeroo - RB, please read Apathoid's paper (see link below) and tell us what he gets wrong. I may be only person here who is not in on the joke, but Apathoid has demonstrated, in painstaking detail, why the planes that hit the WTC could not have been flown by remote control. Perhaps the regulars are tired of hammering fantasists on this subject. I joined the forum in October and have missed much of the good stuff. Again, RB, your entire house of cards collapses into its own footprint (snicker) if real jihadists hijacked real planes. Show us what Apathoid is missing. I don't even require use of the quote button.

http://911myths.com/Remote_Takeover.pdf"

I have read it, and I have addressed it already.....

He does know the mechanicals and electrical parts of the plane. But does he know how the EMBEDDED code works, or how it can be updated?? Does he know that EMBEDDED code, especially by a plane that is run largely on it, can be modified to over ride ANY input manually?

It's not a "conspiracy theory" to know that EMBEDDED code can be changed. This is REALITY! I have written embedded code for x186, ZILOG, MOTOROLA, 8052, and the 8088. Not just SIMPLE code.... Very complex and soffisicated code for use to test very complexly populated boards.
 
"babazaroni - Wrong as usual, the outer columns and the inner core supported approximately the same load."

OK, I agree with that statement.... But the Core was the Gravatational support of the building, where the outter walls were the dynamic load bearing part of the building.

"babazaroni - And btw, parts of the inner core did stand for 20-30 seconds after the rest collapsed."

Yes.... Let's just address this since you brought it up....

Notice that it did NOT fall over, but rather FELL STRAIGHT DOWN! What took out the base to allow this part to do that? With an object of that wieght and hieght, this would have fell over, not straight down.

Care to explain this?
 
"babazaroni - Wrong again, the buildings did not collapse into their own footprint. Many surrounding buildings were destroyed or damaged."

WHAT? You make it sound as thought that it should have been ALL WITHIN THE BASEMENT. No, the purpose for CD's is to ensure the MINIMUM amount of damage to surounding structures.... This HAPPENED! Just look at WTC7. Two buildings on EACH SIDE, but it only creates MINIMAL damage to the others as it falls. It falls withing FEET of the building next to it, which I believe was a post office. I would say this meets the definintion I stated.
 
"Dr. Lao - No, you just call people idiots, and stupid, and MORONS.

Except that I spelled them all correctly.

YES I do AFTER being attacked first. YOU people are the ones who attack, and then you want others to be kind and when they stand up to your bullying and nonsense, they are bad...

I came in here and told you people that I would debate, but if you were going to call names then I would not tolerate it..... Just go back and read my first post! From there YOU would not debate and determined that it was more effective to call names..... So I believe in that old saying "do onto others".....
 
"aggle-rithm - How about treating people as THEY would want to be treated? Such as, if they ask you to use the quote function, you go ahead and do it, even though you don't want to, because it would be incredibly rude to refuse such a simple request?"

I see.... So I should REWARD bad behavior by doing what you want? I should do this so you can continue to insult me by callin me names like "kook", "loon", etc???

NOPE, not gonna do it.... I have no problems with the cut and paste.

If you people want to act civilized, then I MIGHT do this but I am not going to while you people want to act like bullies and children with the name calling.
 
"JonnyFive - RB, I'm happy to debate you on the areas of this I am familiar with, but I insist that you format your posts in a way that makes reading them less of a chore. That means using the "quote" tags. Since you resist using them with Herculean effort, I can only assume you do not have as much interest in productive debate as you claim to.

Until you demonstrate your willingness to take the small amount of effort to make this discussion easy to follow and participate in, I refuse to engage you on any matters of importance.

If you truly wish to debate with us, then I suggest you make use of the quote tags. If you are simply trying to troll this board, then please do so elsewhere."

I have just replied to this..... When, rather that is IF, you people stop with the name calling I will work with you but I am not going to reward bad behavior.

YOU people started the attacks and they have been non-stop. Go back and re-read my first post. I did not call anyone names and indicated that I came here to debate, but YOU people would rather bully and call people names.....

UNTIL YOU grow up and start debating, I will continue using the cut and paste... It works just fine and it is still VERY readable.
 
RemoveBush said:
It's not a "conspiracy theory" to know that EMBEDDED code can be changed. This is REALITY! I have written embedded code for x186, ZILOG, MOTOROLA, 8052, and the 8088. Not just SIMPLE code.... Very complex and soffisicated code for use to test very complexly populated boards.
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Stop using buzzwords like embedded code. And forget all about trying to convince me, a software engineer, that you are a software developer. You are no such thing. Software developers must excel in certain skills in order to attain success with their designed projects. Know what one of them is? Of course you don't.

Software developers MUST excel in word structure. Because that's what coding is: The arrangement of words, symbols, phrases, commands, constructs, loops and so forth into a highly structured format, for the performance of a task, or tasks. An aptitude in word structure, grammar and spelling is required if one ever hopes to survive in the hacker racket.

Look at your posts. Babble. You're all over the joint. No software coder in the world would EVER do this: Spell 'sophisticated' as 'soffisicated'. Not in a million years.

So don't even pretend to speak of "EMBEDDED code" as if you know what you are talking about. You are, in fact, clueless.
 
RemoveBush said:
No, the purpose for CD's is to ensure the MINIMUM amount of damage to surounding structures.... This HAPPENED! Just look at WTC7. Two buildings on EACH SIDE, but it only creates MINIMAL damage to the others as it falls. It falls withing FEET of the building next to it, which I believe was a post office. I would say this meets the definintion I stated.
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Wrong. There was severe damage inflicted on 30 West Broadway (just north of WTC 7) and the Verizon Building (just west of WTC 7). In addition, 45 Park Place, 101 Barclay, 90 Church St, and 125 Barclay St. all sustained moderate damage due to the collapse of WTC 7.
 
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ConspiRaider said:
Stop using buzzwords like embedded code. And forget all about trying to convince me, a software engineer, that you are a software developer. You are no such thing. Software developers must excel in certain skills in order to attain success with their designed projects. Know what one of them is? Of course you don't.

Software developers MUST excel in word structure. Because that's what coding is: The arrangement of words, symbols, phrases, commands, constructs, loops and so forth into a highly structured format, for the performance of a task, or tasks. An aptitude in word structure, grammar and spelling is required if one ever hopes to survive in the hacker racket.

Look at your posts. Babble. You're all over the joint. No software coder in the world would EVER do this: Spell 'sophisticated' as 'soffisicated'. Not in a million years.

So don't even pretend to speak of "EMBEDDED code" as if you know what you are talking about. You are, in fact, clueless.
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As an embedded developer myself, I know there are plenty of small niches these folks can exist in. Writing test software is pretty simple, primitive and boring. No spelling skills needed as the compiler, assembler or linker will flag any errors they cause.
 
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RemoveBush said:
"8den - Loads of buses where being diverted away from the area, it was being cleared because of the bomb."

This bus was diverted LONG before any bombs went off acording to this witness....
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That witness is wrong. The Number 30 bus made it euston, it was diverted to avoid kings cross just like every bus that usually pass kings cross. It then travlled to Tavistock Square via Upper Woburn place?

You've obviously never been to london so you don't understand how implausible and geographically impossible his claim is.

Would you really want to list your "surname"? I mean, look at how people here rips someone for OFFERING things that could occur, since the government has NOT proven its case. And the way they rip those in the government that step up against the Official version. You really expect people to put their necks out on the chopping block, even regarding the UK?
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See I am in the UK, will be travelling on the underground in a few hours, thats why I'm interested in the 7/7 conspiracy.

This "daniel" claims he's already known to, and recieved harassment, so the "NWO" already know him, so he has nothing to lose by going public.
"8den - Incidently if you're the NWO about to commit a terrorist travesity, why would you divert a bus to be blown up but send it so it's sitting outside the British Medical Institute with dozens of doctors nurses and consultants able to leap to the ready and help those wounded?"

Who knows? Why do governments do things that make no sense to the average citizen??? Because in some way shape or form it bennefits them.
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:eye-poppi Wow, what flawless logic. Okay you claim that the NWO killed people on the 7/7 bombings. Why not have all four bombs on the tube? Why a bus? And why park said bus in front the headquarters of the British medical assocication? Why?

"8den - Um, er, what? "

Perhaps this was a reading error, I'll just forget this part.
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Er you asked me did I know where the word paramedic come from, I just wondered what did this proof.

"8den - Firstly please provide evidence that "most" training exercising on the tube aren't based around tube. Vague claims about there being training exercising on the same day as other terrorist incidents isn't proof of 7/7 being an incide job."

First it is EVIDENCE, not proof. It substantiates what I stated about many of the terrorist attacks involve the same thing that the governments are training for.
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No it's not evidence, it's cconjecture and speculation.

"8den - As other posters have pointed out it is immensely tiresome and disrepectful of you not to grasp the quote function. I will ask again; please explain the significance of a minor training exercise, involving a subsection of the transport infrastructure, that had no control over the underground, paramedics, police, firedepartment, or even the bus service, as evidence of the 7/7 bombings being an "inside job"?"

Did 9/11 have control over the "paramedics, police, firedepartment" or any other entity other than the Federal Government? It SHOWS a pattern. One that in both countries has made people more fearful and caused them to give up more of thier rights. It's a PATTERN....
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No its a concidence.
 
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