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Did Bush watch plane hit the first tower ?

1. Obtain the technology.
2. Learn how to use the technology.
3. Determine way in advance which passengers would make the fake calls.
4. Obtain 10 minute voice samples of each of the callers.
5. Make sure those persons got on the planes that day.
6. Obtain the phone books of the choosen passengers and figure out who they would call.
7. Coordinate the making of the fake calls with various phone companies.
8. Know so many personal details of everyone involved as to not raise suspicion.
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somewhere in there they need to collect incredibly detailed information regarding the persons family, including but not limited to alternate phone numbers to reach loved ones at, ability to recognize family members by voice, and information regarding location, contents, and combination to a locked safe
 
Alt+F4 said:
This post made me think....what if all the stupid conspiracy theories were thought out logistically? Not only would the man-power grow the conspiracy into the tens of thousands it would so clearly show how ridiculous the CTers are.

Take for example the CTers slant on the phone calls made from the planes. They try to get away with a quick one-liner, that it was "sophisticated voice-morphing technology". So that means the conspirators would have to:

1. Obtain the technology.
2. Learn how to use the technology.
3. Determine way in advance which passengers would make the fake calls.
4. Obtain 10 minute voice samples of each of the callers.
5. Make sure those persons got on the planes that day.
6. Obtain the phone books of the choosen passengers and figure out who they would call.
7. Coordinate the making of the fake calls with various phone companies.
8. Know so many personal details of everyone involved as to not raise suspicion.
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defaultdotxbe said:
somewhere in there they need to collect incredibly detailed information regarding the persons family, including but not limited to alternate phone numbers to reach loved ones at, ability to recognize family members by voice, and information regarding location, contents, and combination to a locked safe
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And then botch it all up by having one guy use both his first and last names when calling his mother.

Shades of Homer Simpson....
 
Non Believer said:
3- The computer models they used exaggerated any reasonable expectation of temperatures within the towers. No samples from the deris from the towers showed signs of temps above 600 F, and models of fire temps for office combustibles do not exceed this either.


You are not telling the truth.
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Horatius said:
And then botch it all up by having one guy use both his first and last names when calling his mother.

Shades of Homer Simpson....
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Yes, they bring up Mark Bingham as "proof" but then when asked for the details they are "just asking questions".
 
Alt+F4 said:
Yes, they bring up Mark Bingham as "proof" but then when asked for the details they are "just asking questions".
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I've often wondered if his mother is like me. I have a hard time recognizing people's voices on the phone. Most of the people who call me regularly have figured this out, and just tell me right out who they are. If his mom is like this, and knows a lot of guys named Mark, it could explain a lot.

Even my Mom says, "Hi, it's mom" when she calls.
 
Once I called my mom and said "Hey Ma, it's me!" and she said, "Who is this?".

How one refers to their loved ones is another problem the CTers ignore. Mom, Mommy, Ma.....
 
Horatius said:
I've often wondered if his mother is like me. I have a hard time recognizing people's voices on the phone. Most of the people who call me regularly have figured this out, and just tell me right out who they are. If his mom is like this, and knows a lot of guys named Mark, it could explain a lot.

Even my Mom says, "Hi, it's mom" when she calls.
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so his mom had a hard time recognizing voices! thats PROOF that she wouldnt have been able to tell if it was her son or a voice morph, therefore PROOF that the government did it
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on a serious note, his mother said he was a businessman and always used his full names with clients, kinda like a secretary answering her home "john smiths office" or soemthign to that effect
 
It's just another example of how real life aint like the movies.... or vice versa...anyway, it is hard to imagine the stress you would be under on a hijacked plane and facing death.

He used an introduction which his mother appears to have been familiar with, and if she wasn't then we can put it down to his stress and confusion, or if she was 'in on it' (we know how the woowoos love to 'ask questions' about the website registration) then why the hell make that odd little detail part of the story?
 
Horatius said:
And then botch it all up by having one guy use both his first and last names when calling his mother.
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And, in light of this slip-up, plant an agent to act as the alleged Mark Bingham's mother, or threaten the real mother (because threats work even better when you've just lost a son!) into explaining away the goof by saying, essentially, it's not unusual.

Frankly, I'd believe the poor mother over the heartless kooks...
 
Non Believer said:
None of you seemed to respond on what the official story is. When was Bush first notified that any plane had hit a tower?
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At some time between 0850 and 0855.

n Sarasota, Florida, the presidential motorcade was arriving at the Emma E. Booker Elementary School, where President Bush was to read to a class and talk about education. White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card told us he was standing with the President outside the classroom when Senior Advisor to the President Karl Rove first informed them that a small, twin-engine plane had crashed into the World Trade Center. The President's reaction was that the incident must have been caused by pilot error.183
At 8:55, before entering the classroom, the President spoke to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, who was at the White House. She recalled first telling the President it was a twin-engine aircraft-and then a commercial aircraft-that had struck the World Trade Center, adding "that's all we know right now, Mr. President."184
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28th Kingdom said:
Wow... just wow. That's all... nothing but one little ole word and it's name is wow.
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Well, 28th Kingdom - i still don´t know what they knew
about Osama and his gang but i give a f*** about democrats
and republicans, Bush is an idiot and the war in iraq bothers
me a lot.

I live in germany and i initially was confused after watching
Loose Change. But i also did not find any evidence for an
inside job.

So what do you wanna know?
 
uk_dave said:
It's just another example of how real life aint like the movies.... or vice versa...anyway, it is hard to imagine the stress you would be under on a hijacked plane and facing death.

He used an introduction which his mother appears to have been familiar with, and if she wasn't then we can put it down to his stress and confusion, or if she was 'in on it' (we know how the woowoos love to 'ask questions' about the website registration) then why the hell make that odd little detail part of the story?
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And it's another example of how twoofers don't seem to be able to follow a normal conversation. They always seem to get all flustered whenever someone uses a phrase or expresion that isn't copy-edited perfect. It's like they've never had a real conversation where you were expected to be able to "fill in the blanks" that normal people just assume you'll know or understand.
 
Bell said:
28th Kingdom, it takes a man to admit he was wrong (this in regards to your assumption that DM believes in intelligent design). Are you a man, are you going to admit?
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So, you're not a man then, 28th??
 
It seems brainster, cylinder and architect are the only one of you capable of carrying on a a somewhat intelligent discussion. The rest of you seem either bent on explaining why he meant to say what he didn't say, or repeating that here is no evidence of a conspiracy (how deep).
Cylinder I have read the quotes you mention, but there are other reports and contradictions of these quotes. Bush himself (and to this day) claims he was not told about the attacks until Andy Card approached him. Though on other occasions he does remember having a conversation with Rove, where Rove told him a twin engine cessna had hit the towers. The initial report that Rove had told him came from reporter Eric Draper who over heard the incident himself.
The real upshot is that there are tens if not hundreds of contradictions of what went on between the president and the staff that morning. Fliescher in the sept 11 news conference claim that none of the staff knew before the president entered the classroom. But all of you seem to think this is perfectly O.K. Dosen't it usually arouse suspicion when a group of people cannot give even a semblance of a consistent story about our most important day. Apparently not.
Oliver on your analogy on Saddam, it would read this morning I saw Saddam hung rather than this morning I saw the report that Saddam had been hung. A big differnce for some of us.
Architect- you talk a good game, and I do appreciate your efforts at an intelligent conversation. But its too bad you resort to the name calling and character assasination stuff. But on to your responses. NIST did take samples from the columns in the debris and none (or maybe 95%) showed any indication that the steel had been at temps above 600 F. I can probably quote it chapter and verse if you really want. As for the models not needing to collapse, if you are building a model of a structure that collapsed your model needs to collapse. Second NIST did not say that the sagging in the floor trusses caused the external columns to bend, it said that it caused the interior core columns to bend. And Finally you claim that global collapse is a given in the statement that structural collapse is a given. Really? Please quote some pre 9-11 literature where this is stated. The structure is built at every floor to hold the weight above and then some. All we have with collapsing floors is some additional acceleration and lateral displacement, so why is it a given that a floor that was built to hold the weight above it suddenly has no chance. Plus if it such an easy calculation why not do it.
 
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