How Loony are the Loons?

He's getting better by the minute...

He just admitted that he doesn't have the truth or the answers. He just doesn't like the "official story."

And he says the World Trade Center was about to be condemned by building inspectors, for, among other things, its "tasteless paint job."

Tasteless paint job?

He says "I don't know what the true truth is."

Try studying the subject from better sources than conspiracy theory websites, and more importantly, don't go bellowing at other people about what happened until you do know the truth! All you're doing is revealing your ignorance and providing us with hilarity.
 
Long List, Few Loons

RB posted a list that contained a couple of loons and a bunch of politicians who don't like Bush. Perhaps he had a point, but it escapes me. I do believe the lad was trying to con us.
 
"RemoveBush,

As I see it, you are not using the quote function because you are:

A. Stupid
B. Discourteous

Which is it? Or do you have a third option that is even less plausible than your political ideas?"

Yes there is a 3rd option.

Don't need to! I can follow peoples comments just fine..... See this is why I am several pages behind your blabering, because I actually READ the pages rather than just the pretty colored boxes.

But then again, this does require some thinking so I am starting to understand the problem you people are having with it.
 
beachnut said:
How can they get this loony? How can you make up stuff and keep adding junk.

I think the Beam Weapon takes the prize; if you believe the beam weapon you are nuts. I know we have shot down missiles with "beam weapons" (laser); but it will not bring down the WTC. When a CT person brings up the beam weapon you know a loon is talking.

It is funny to watch someone meet the criteria of a thread; and do it with flying colors.

This has to be one of the best, besides 28th, where a poster provide fodder for the thread theme in more than one way; like a living thread; who can put this in the proper perspective with persuasive prose. ?????
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Yes, its pretty funny a loon thread started due to his blog and then he appears and proves the whole point of the thread.

RemoveBush appears to be logic impaired. 28th actually made you think a little deeper about some issues. And he made you want to do some research.

Not using the quote function is just plain rude and I've got no desire to work in response.

I wonder how much fuel he thinks a cross country flight needs? 1/4 tank, maybe 1/2 tank?
 
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RemoveBush said:
"aggle-rithm - Maybe if you utilized the easy-to-use quote feature, it would make it appear less like you're talking to yourself, and thus you'd appear less of a nut."

Are you really that mindless that you can't simply look for the [ " ] at the begining of a "quote" and the end?

It's simple, people have been doing it for years and they still do it..... There are tones of sites that don't have the quote functions and they can seem to follow along, but you people can't???

This is another reason that America is losing it's grasp in the world as a leader, people like you need to have everything handed to them on a silver platter and can't think for yourself. Such a shame.
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the quote button

find the button

next try being nice, use the quote button; are you defining the thread or what?
 
RemoveBush said:
"Indolent Wretch - Do you believe it is possible that two fully fueled jet liners colliding with multiple floors of a giant building full of combustible material, with no effective fire supression, could really cause a few small pockets of fire?"

Again with the FULLY LOADED/FUELED crap? Planes are NOT loaded FULL OF FUEL!

"Does that seem likely to you? Or does it seem more likely that the fires were much more extensive?"

There were fires and they were HOT. Just not to the extent YOU are making them out to be! Buildings, including one of these, have burned longer and hotter before and did not collapse. I would think that if the ASSUMPTION that the metal would weaken and loose its strength that those other steel framed buildings would have fallen down by now do to the fire they experienced that was much more intense than this one!


"If indeed the people in charge knew that the collision would only create small, easily contained fires, why did they not arrange for the planes to be carrying much more fuel, or for the intended impact location to be stocked with barrels of aviation fuel, or hay for christsake! Surely that would have been:"

Because then mindless people like you might see through the smoke and mirrors and they would not have gotten as far as they have!

"A) Much cheaper"

For who? It has cost the American people TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS so who is it cheaper for? In CHAOS they could steel. Just look at all the money that they cannot account for! Now do you think that they could do this if 9/11 did not happen?

"B) Much easier than wiring a whole building up with explosives"

Easier for who? I would bet money that if in deed the towers were brought down as is beleived by CD that it was not anyone from the US that did it. So who are those other countries that we MIGHT get to do this??? How about Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Isreal?

"C) Much less likely to have people point at the building and go 'Hey that was a controlled demolition?'""

Not when they have people like you who ask such rediculous questions in this fashion instead of saying, could this be possible? The answer to that is YES. Your type of attitude is just what they were hopping for and started the bashing from the start. "Let's not stand for Conspiracy Theories" and you fell HOOK LINE AND SINKER for it.

I don't know what the TRUE truth is, and I know YOU don't. If you say you do then you are LYING! Not even the members of Congress truely know the truth, why do you think so many of them have questions and doubt the official story?
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Oh yes you did you mindless sheep.

Keep spewing your mindless garbage, nobody is listening anymore.
 
Here it comes. Another twoofer meltdown after he's realized that he has no facts, no evidence, and no rational basis whatsoever for his sacred beliefs in the evil, over-arching conspiracy.

:popcorn1
 
RemoveBush said:
"aggle-rithm - Maybe if you utilized the easy-to-use quote feature, it would make it appear less like you're talking to yourself, and thus you'd appear less of a nut."

Are you really that mindless that you can't simply look for the [ " ] at the begining of a "quote" and the end?

It's simple, people have been doing it for years and they still do it..... There are tones of sites that don't have the quote functions and they can seem to follow along, but you people can't???

This is another reason that America is losing it's grasp in the world as a leader, people like you need to have everything handed to them on a silver platter and can't think for yourself. Such a shame.
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You still don't get it that the quote function provides a link to the original quote.

Since you post copyrighted material without attribution, I understand how that would seem unimportant to you.

I've not seen anyone else ever refuse to use the quote function after they were told about it.
 
RemoveBush said:
This is another reason that America is losing it's grasp in the world as a leader, people like you need to have everything handed to them on a silver platter and can't think for yourself. Such a shame.
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Losing its grasp?

I thought 911 was engineered to strengthen its grip, please explain.
 
"JonnyFive - Unfortunately, it now makes even less sense that Silverstein would destroy the towers.

Silverstein leased the towers from the Port Authority, and so the PA still owned the site and made the decisions about whether or not to rebuild it. If you recall, there was a great deal of discussion around 2001 and 2002 about what exactly to do with the site. It was finally decided to put up the Freedom Tower, but that wasn't the only plan on the table.

The "escape clause" allows Silverstein to stop paying rent and capital improvements costs (which, by the way, are quoted at $200 million in the article, so I have no idea where this idea that it was a condemned building comes from)."

From here http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/07-21-06/discussion.cgi.97.html
and here
http://redlineav.com/tsg.deposition.contd.2.html

"You still haven't presented evidence it was "condemned". The low cost of capital improvements (a far cry from the billions of dollars quoted by some of the CT sites) Silverstein was responsible for would indicate otherwise."

See the links above.

"And you claim to follow the decisions of the court, but somehow I don't believe you because you never seem to acknowledge jury decided it was one event, not two."

No I said that I did not follow it 100%. I also remember hearing in the news that Larry was appealing it. Havent heard if it has been in appeals court yet or not and what the outcome might have been if it did.

"You must also realize that the towers were substantial source of rental income. According to the financial impact statement prepared for the NYS senate, the clients in the Ground Zero area brought in $847 million a year in rental income."

You must realize that money is a moving factor and if you follow the money then things will start to make sense. I don't understand it all, but it sure does not look good for the parties involved so far. Here is a HYPOTHESIS: Perhaps Larry was guaranteed a substantial amount of money if he turned his eyes to what was happening? Just look at ALL the money that has been un-accounted for. BILLIONS! Do you think this could happen without 9/11?

"In three and a half years, that's three billion dollars."

Yeah, but look at the BILLIONS that have come up missing and made by others. He is part of that "I'll scratch your back if you scratch my back" crowd.

"Why bother to destroy the towers and go through all these legal battles and lose money when he could just sit around and collect over three quarters of a billion a year in rent?"

See above comment.

"And what if the insurance companies decided not to pay? They didn't have to pay out, if they felt there was something suspicious."

That is true! That is why the buildings had to be destroyed and the material shipped off immediately. You people are real quick to point out that the FBI was in charge so the NTSB would not analyse the plane debris, but you gloss over the fact that if they were doing a REAL investigation that they would contain all that debris after the search and rescue phase and obtain as much evidence as they could. This did not happen.

" You do know that people try to burn their own property to collect on insurance all the time, right?"

Yes, but how many of them have the world looking on while it is being done and them seeing a crazy man driving a car on fire through thier house?

" It doesn't work that well. So you're telling me that even though all you CTist can discover the hidden truth, all the insurance companies who stand to lose billions missed it all? That makes no sense."

Do you think that they have access to the information? The Senate can't even get it, and you expect the Insurance companies to?

"Were the insurance companies in on it too?"

Of course not! That type of comments are rediculous just like when you people always come back with: The firement, police, ems, etc...... There were only a handful of people in the know! And before you go with that other great comment: "How can they keep that a secret, when they can't even keep things in washington a secret". Let me ask you to please tell me how many SEAL or Special Ops missions have you heard about? Secrets CAN be kept when they need to. If you know that a gun will be put to your head and you WILL be killed, there is a little more insentive then having to face the standard criminal system.

"Until you learn to use the quote function, that's it from me (unless you answer the bolded question, I'll respond to that). I just felt I needed to acknowledge the new information you found, which was nice of you, and add in some additional information I found as well."

At least you are starting to actually debate. This MIGHT turn out to be pleasent in the end, but I won't hold my breath.
 
RemoveBush said:
"aggle-rithm - Maybe if you utilized the easy-to-use quote feature, it would make it appear less like you're talking to yourself, and thus you'd appear less of a nut."

Are you really that mindless that you can't simply look for the [ " ] at the begining of a "quote" and the end?

It's simple, people have been doing it for years and they still do it..... There are tones of sites that don't have the quote functions and they can seem to follow along, but you people can't???

This is another reason that America is losing it's grasp in the world as a leader, people like you need to have everything handed to them on a silver platter and can't think for yourself. Such a shame.
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So you just can't figure out how it works but you're an engineer?
 
RemoveBush said:
This MIGHT turn out to be pleasent in the end, but I won't hold my breath.
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Thats very sad you are having an unpleasant time.

It is unpleasant for us to have to try to find your original quotes when you don't use the quote function.

Not using the quote function makes your posts look like long, unformatted rants without even reading them.
 
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how is it that skyscrapers that are 60 or 70 years old which number in the thousands in Manhattan, with aging asbestos and horse hair plaster walls. 20 to 30 coats of lead paint. Vinyl asbestos tile. Steam pipes with asbestos wrap. Access and passageways, doorways and lock hardware that don't meet code. Absence of fire suppression systems. Inefficient exterior glazing. Exterior walls that sometimes shed their ornamental masonry and stone elements onto the populace below,
are allowed to exist

but the world trade center, A series of buildings that contain no fireproofing asbestos. Were in the final phases of a fire suppression retrofit. had their stairwells modified post 93 to provide wider clearances and a glow in the dark guidence system. Contain NO lead paint, Had additional fire protection applied when office space became vacant, Never had a problem with its exterior cladding or lost a single component or element.(which was applied I might add from the interior floors with staging projected from the slab as the cladding progressed) Had the most modern facilities of a building built in its era. Was the most prestigious address for businesses located within it and had its own zip code.

But supposedly was a danger and had to be demolished? you don't know WTF you are talking about. I may remind you that I am in my 31st year supervising in the construction industry dealing with commercial buildings. so don't drop your ignorant BS on me OK? You just make a fool out of yourself. Existing Buildings are grandfathered in as far as code is concerned and need not update until requiring a tenant refit. otherwise the basement you reside in would have to meet egress and/or duel escape code requirements. And that window sill your gnawing on wouldn't have those multiple layers of lead paint that seem to be effecting your brain.
 
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RemoveBush said:
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From here http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/07-21-06/discussion.cgi.97.html
and here
http://redlineav.com/tsg.deposition.contd.2.html

At least you are starting to actually debate. This MIGHT turn out to be pleasent in the end, but I won't hold my breath.
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You are citing loon web sites to support loon ideas; you need better sources or risk being a loon yourself.

Do you have other sources to prove the false information posted at these web sites?

Why are you self debunking?
 
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Removebush said

There were only a handful of people in the know!
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Of course there would,that way it exonerates you from accusing those directly involved, it excuses you from personalising it. It gives you the perfect excuse to make stupid and ridiculous claims.

You would not dare to challenge the firemen, the policemen or even the victims that were there, so hide behind your pathetic mask of " there is only a handful of people involved"

You are pathetic, you are ridiculous.You knowing accuses those that were there of not telling it the way you want to hear it and you run away like the coward you are.

Pathetic.
 
A W Smith said:
Existing Buildings are grandfathered in as far as code is concerned and need not update until requiring a tenant refit. otherwise the basement you reside in would have to meet egress and/or duel escape code requirements. And that window sill your gnawing on wouldn't have those multiple layers of lead paint that seem to be effecting your brain.
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Very true and you would also think very obvious to anyone with a dash of common sense, but then again those troofers are a special bunch. To them, the whole design and construction industry is a giant gumbit pys-op.

Following a recent series of deadly fires in Chicago, which received intense media scrutiny, king, whoops I mean mayor Daley of Chicago looked into overuling the grandfathered sprinkler code exemptions for Chicago buildings and revising the city code so that all existing building would have a timeframe in which they needed to be retrofitted with a sprinkler system. Obviously, this was not financially fair to the landlords.

Also, two years ago, a deadly and much publicized porch crash on Chicago's north side resulted in city forcing all property owners to update their porch a newly written porch construction code.
 
A W Smith said:
how is it that skyscrapers that are 60 or 70 years old which number in the thousands in Manhattan, with aging asbestos and horse hair plaster walls. 20 to 30 coats of lead paint. Vinyl asbestos tile. Steam pipes with asbestos wrap. Access and passageways, doorways and lock hardware that don't meet code. Absence of fire suppression systems. Inefficient exterior glazing. Exterior walls that sometimes shed their ornamental masonry and stone elements onto the populace below,
are allowed to exist

but the world trade center, A series of buildings that contain no fireproofing asbestos. Were in the final phases of a fire suppression retrofit. had their stairwells modified post 93 to provide wider clearances and a glow in the dark guidence system. Contain NO lead paint, Had additional fire protection applied when office space became vacant, Never had a problem with its exterior cladding or lost a single component or element.(which was applied I might add from the interior floors with staging projected from the slab as the cladding progressed) Had the most modern facilities of a building built in its era. Was the most prestigious address for businesses located within it and had its own zip code.

But supposedly was a danger and had to be demolished? you don't know WTF you are talking about. I may remind you that I am in my 31st year supervising in the construction industry dealing with commercial buildings. so don't drop your ignorant BS on me OK? You just make a fool out of yourself. Existing Buildings are grandfathered in as far as code is concerned and need not update until requiring a tenant refit. otherwise the basement you reside in would have to meet egress and/or duel escape code requirements. And that window sill your gnawing on wouldn't have those multiple layers of lead paint that seem to be effecting your brain.
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This bears repeating.

So I repeated it.

Why is it that CTists appear to be incapable of rational, critical or analytical thought? Why is it that they seem to just swallow conspiracy nonsense without ever pausing to ask themselves why it makes no rational sense? It is truly mind-boggling.
 
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