Flight 77 and Flight 93 passengers never existed?

[Quad4_72]

The CTs are to have me believe that a military plane hit the pentagon and that nobody died on Flight 93? That it was all a hoax for a political agenda? Well, if this is so, then is everybody on this list just made up?

http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/victims_list.htm

Are all the people who commented on these individuals photos just government employees that are in on the conspiracy? I would hope that there would be some proof that these people never existed, because if not, how much more disrespectful can a person get by suggesting that someones mom, dad, brother, sister, friend never existed? You know what, screw it, since we are being disrespectful here, why don't we just go protest at the 9/11 memorial, you know, the place where people go to mourn and remember the loved ones that were lost that day. Yeah, that place where a couple thousand people lost their lives...oh wait...that is already being done. Hell, lets take it a step further. Lets all go piss on some graves. That should be disrespectful enough.

 

[Quad4_72]

Wow I have been reading through a lot of the comments on the pictures of the people who died that day. I gotta be honest, I am getting choked up just reading about them. It really brings into perspective that the people that died really did have people that cared about them and it really was such a terrible tragedy. I think sometimes that is overlooked, the lives that were lost. I hope that no one on this forum forgets about how many people died. Yes we debate a lot about stupid little facts and events of the day, but always remember why we debate the insanity of the CTs. Read some of the ones posted on the younger kids, like ages 18-22. They have there whole lives ahead of them, and then in an instant, it is all taken away.

 

[twinstead]

Wow I have been reading through a lot of the comments on the pictures of the people who died that day. I gotta be honest, I am getting choked up just reading about them. It really brings into perspective that the people that died really did have people that cared about them and it really was such a terrible tragedy. I think sometimes that is overlooked, the lives that were lost. I hope that no one on this forum forgets about how many people died. Yes we debate a lot about stupid little facts and events of the day, but always remember why we debate the insanity of the CTs. Read some of the ones posted on the younger kids, like ages 18-22. They have there whole lives ahead of them, and then in an instant, it is all taken away.

The 911 deniers don't like to think about the victims; to them they are just inconvenient facts that get in the way of a good conspiracy.

To them this is just a video game. Real people aren't involved.

 

[Class]

Searched the page for all mentions of my town.

18 hits.

And 12 hits from the town I moved from just a few months prior to 9/11.

 

[Quad4_72]

If any CT ever questions flights 93 and 77, just give them the link to that site. I would love to hear what they have to say about it.

 

[water_bender]

i dont know of too many truthers that think there were no victims on flight 77 or 93. many believe that they did die, just not in the way the official story claims they did.

 

[Quad4_72]

i dont know of too many truthers that think there were no victims on flight 77 or 93. many believe that they did die, just not in the way the official story claims they did.

Just watch Loose Change for example. They claim that nobody died on flight 93. It is also claimed that a military plane hit the Pentagon. This kind of garbage is all over the CT world.

 

[MG1962]

Wow I have been reading through a lot of the comments on the pictures of the people who died that day. I gotta be honest, I am getting choked up just reading about them.

And this is the single biggest stumbling block of the whole CT movement. They seem to think that eveyone involved that day had an X Files attitude to human life.

They don't - maybe the odd nutcase who could think in these terms might make it to a government job, but whole departments, military units and levels of government.

If I ever get that cynical, I honestly will throw myself of a cliff. Once you give up on humanity, there aint much left.

And aside from the victims, it was either Gravy or Gumboot, who made the comment. The people involved that day never stop thinking what they might have been able to do to save those people

 

[Unfit4Command]

The "Truth Movement" will make up whatever they need to, to make people believe their story. It's really sad if you think about it, I think this cartoon does a good job explaining some of the theories, and how ridiculous they sound:

It's sad how easily they can throw around one life and make it sound like nothing.

 

[water_bender]

Just watch Loose Change for example. They claim that nobody died on flight 93. It is also claimed that a military plane hit the Pentagon. This kind of garbage is all over the CT world.

loose change doesnt claim either of those statements. i've watched it. it certainly suggests that an american airlines flight probably didnt hit the pentagon, and sugests it may have been a military plane but doesnt claim to know for certain. as for flight 93 loose change makes the suggestion that it was probably shot down, but where do u get the idea it claims noone died from flight 93?

i'll admit there are many many many unreasonable claims made, but not all truthers are lunatics.

 

[MarkyX]

where do u get the idea it claims noone died from flight 93?

"Mom, this is Mark Bingham"

 

[Gravy]

loose change doesnt claim either of those statements. i've watched it. it certainly suggests that an american airlines flight probably didnt hit the pentagon, and sugests it may have been a military plane but doesnt claim to know for certain. as for flight 93 loose change makes the suggestion that it was probably shot down, but where do u get the idea it claims noone died from flight 93?

i'll admit there are many many many unreasonable claims made, but not all truthers are lunatics.

So if Flight 93 didn't go down in Shanksville, then where? You ready for this? Cleveland.

The question remains, what happened to the 200 or so passengers from Flight 93?

Note: on board flight 93 were 33 passengers, 7 crew, and 4 hijackers. Not "200 or so passengers."

So what could blow a 16 foot hole in the outer ring of the Pentagon, smash through 9 feet of steel reinforced concrete and leave another 16 foot hole? A 757? Or a cruise missile?

This is what Slobodan Milosevic's residence in Belgrade looked like after a Tomahawk cruise missile had hit it. See any similarities?

So if a Boeing 757 didn't hit the Pentagon, then what did?

Interview excerpts

Dylan Avery on the passengers aboard flights 77 and 93:

They didn't die on these planes as we are told. There is actually some evidence that some of these people were already dead before 9/11.

Avery: Well, probably not in the case of flight 93 – if flight 93 existed, that is…

Bermas: What hit the Pentagon? The speculation is there, but all's we're saying is that a Boeing 757 did not hit the Pentagon. It's absolutely impossible

Avery: There's no 757 at the Pentagon. It just simply isn't there. IT DIDN'T HIT THE PENTAGON, OBVIOUSLY, AND THERE'S NO TRACE OF IT AT THE PENTAGON, SO WHERE DID IT GO? ...If you check the independent pictures and video that was shot right after the Pentagon was hit, you've got a hole that was NO MORE than 16 to 20 feet in diameter on the outside wall of the Pentagon, and that is the ONLY damage to the outside. Again, a 16 to 20 foot hole. IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE GOVERNMENT TELLING US THAT A 757 COULD BASICALLY DISAPPEAR INTO A GARAGE DOOR.

Avery: Am I convinced that it wasn't flight 77, basically? Yeah, hands down.

Avery on flight 77: There were a number of employees of Raytheon, which is the developer of the Global Hawk, there was actually three members of Boeing on that plane, um, EMS Solutions, which I think is a company that develops ballistic and cruise missiles. There's a lot of different theories about this, but it seems like either these people were a part of 9/11, and they told them, like, 'Yeah, get on this plane, we're gonna take you to a conference, and that was the end of that. Or, they were already in the wing of the Pentagon, because, you know, the Navy is the one that got hit, and they were either already in that wing and they just made them passengers, but, I mean, there's really no way to absolutely tell.

The other thing which I didn't get to mention in the movie, which I'm going to, is a little kid by the name of Bernard Brown Jr., a eight or nine-year-old boy [he was 11] who on the morning of 9/11 was going on a National Geographic field trip with his class, and on that morning his father, Bernard Brown Sr., who works in the Navy wing of the Pentagon, sat his son down and had a talk with him about death, because his son was scared about flying on the plane, or whatever.

And Bernard Sr. was like 'Hey, don't be afraid to die, because everybody's gonna some day," and his son got on flight 77 and we know what happened to that. Oh, actually, we DON'T know what happened to flight 77, but we do know what happened to Bernard. And Bernard Brown Sr., according to his wife, took an UNUSUAL day off from work to go play golf. Like, this is a man who never took a single day off of work, and after telling his son not to be afraid to die, he takes a day off work to go play GOLF, and had he not been on the golf course, he would have been killed.

Host: Has anybody tried to question him?

Avery: "Um, me and Phil (Jayhan, “LC’s” original producer) were actually considering tracking him down and getting him on the phone, to talk to him about 9/11 and see if anything slips. But I think he was either deeply involved in it, and talking to him on the phone might not be such a hot idea, or talking to him about sending his son to die might be a bad idea. Since that article was published...by MSNBC, I believe nobody's actually tried to contact him, and we actually haven't heard from him since. (6)

Avery, about the planes and the victims on them: I would like to think that these four planes are still flying around.

Bermas: Well, honestly, the thing is with the bodies and the people is, WE didn't say those people are on the planes, so we shouldn't be the ones to have to prove it. The government is the people saying these bodies and these people are on these planes, come and show us the pictures. Show us the body parts. Show us some identification that these people you know, were actually there. I'm not saying that a lot of these people weren't alive or weren't real, but it just comes to the fact that there are no bodies there. So explain to us why not, because there's seriously a problem.

 

[Unfit4Command]

Looks like body parts were found at Shanksville. I've only seen this one photo though of smaller body parts that were found during the final sweep of the area.

Were those bones planted?

 

[Quad4_72]

Thank you for those quotes Gravy. Do you see how insanely disrespectful that is water_bender? They flat out say that a 757 did not hit the pentagon. So do they also suggest that the people aboard flight 77 never existed? They also say suggest that flight 93 may have just simply landed somewhere and everyone stepped off safe and sound. Suggesting things that are ridiculously stupid is just the same as outright claiming them. So what do you say water_bender, shall we go piss on some graves together? According to Dylan and Bermas along with all the other CTs, this is a normal everyday even for them.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

heres another loose change gem

October 24th, 2000. The Pentagon conducts the first of two training exercises called MASCAL, which simulate a Boeing 757 crashing into the building. Charles Burlingame, an ex-Navy F4 pilot who worked in the Pentagon, Participates in this exercise before retiring to take a job at American Airlines, where, less than a year later, his Boeing 757 allegedly crashes into the building.

they dont come out an say it (as is the CT way) but they clearly imply that burlingame was part of the conspiracy

 

[eddyk]

Looks like body parts were found at Shanksville. I've only seen this one photo though of smaller body parts that were found during the final sweep of the area.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/rhearhy/bodyparts.jpg

Were those bones planted?

where is this picture from?

 

[Gravy]

where is this picture from?

It's from an EPA PDF document about the Shanksville site. Lots of photos. The document is offline now, though.

 

[Gravy]

heres another loose change gem


they dont come out an say it (as is the CT way) but they clearly imply that burlingame was part of the conspiracy

They missed the fact that Burlingame had been with American since 1979, and had retired from the Naval Reserves in 1996. Idiots.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

They missed the fact that Burlingame had been with American since 1979, and had retired from the Naval Reserves in 1996. Idiots.

and when you point that out they try to make something of the fact that he participated 4 years after retirement, although ive never seen any indication he was involved in the 2000 excercise, just a MASCAL or two when he worked at the pentagon

although if he was involved it was probably as a liason to the airlines

 

[Brainster]

i dont know of too many truthers that think there were no victims on flight 77 or 93. many believe that they did die, just not in the way the official story claims they did.

Gassed in the NASA building?