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An overlooked villain in the WTC Con$piracy

Architect said:
I think you'll find that Dave is taking the piss. Whereas you actually meant it as a real word.

Does irony just mean "like steel" to you?
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I dont believe its a real word. I'm allowed to make words up. Hey, thats how new words arise. I think you take this a little too seriously
 
Wizard said:
I dont believe its a real word. I'm allowed to make words up. Hey, thats how new words arise. I think you take this a little too seriously
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No, Wizard, that's not how the world works. The purpose of language is to make yourself understood; inventing words in a language with the huge lexicon of English in no way inspires confidence. If you do have a solid argument, it weakens your case and does you a dis-service. :mad:

But then CTists like to invent structural theories and evidence, so why not extend to new words as well? :confused:
 
Wizard said:
How does his theory on the demolition affect what he saw? How dare you discount all of this hero's testimony because he thinks it was an inside job?
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It's not because it's an inside job. It's because he considers the use of tactical nuclear weapons a likely candidate. That makes him very very stupid, or mentally ill.

-Gumboot
 
Wizard said:
1) How do you prove a rumour?

2) Are you really that sad?
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If you can't prove it, then why are you spreading it, other than to smear someone with it? It is unsubstantiated garbage, and what is sad is that you would state it. What purpose does it serve other than to tar the reputations of all of the rescue workers? Does it make you feel good? Superior? What?

I can think of nothing more reprehensible!
 
Wizard said:
There is rumoured to be a video of of firefighters stealing 400,000 bucks from an ATM.
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Hmm, I used to work for Diebold, leading manufacturer of ATMs in the world. I am unaware of ANY ATMs that would contain $400,000. I don't think the money cartridges were designed to hold anywhere near that sort of cash.

I could be wrong, of course, but I think most ATMs carry closer to $10k - $50k. Never heard of one that carried almost a half million.

So until you provide any evidence to support your "rumor" I think it is safe to say this one is bunk.

Lurker
 
njslim said:
Can be explained by the fact that firefighters are a tight knit "brotherhood", there is mutual respect for fellow members of the fraternity. When arriving on the scene in FEMA gear were viewed as "outsiders" - "suits" from Washington DC to take over and start giving orders. Being from the area I know many who were involved in the WTC rescue/cleanup including group of FF from my hometown in upstate NY (Utica).
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I think you've probably got it, slim; local folks tend to distrust the "Feds" when it comes to operations, thinking they are going to take over in areas/fields that they (the locals) have managed and known for years. So resentment would not be uncommon, IMHO.
 
Some quick googling showed this site which advertises a large capacity cash drawer for ATMs.

http://www.atmmarketplace.com/products.php?sf_id=74&prod_id=413

It mentions up to 3000 note capacity. If ALL the notes were $100 bills, that would be $300,000. OF course, no ATM would only dispense $100 bills and most actually dispense mostly $20 and $10 bills. I think it is safe to say that the largest ATM would have at most $100,000 in it and even that is a bit of a stretch.

See Wizard, basic research can stop you from believing in any ridiculous rumors that cross your path. I suggest you try it before passing rumors on.

Lurker
 
Wizard said:
There is rumoured to be a video of of firefighters stealing 400,000 bucks from an ATM.
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There are rumors that Elvis is still alive. Maybe they should be questioning him.


And $400,000 in an ATM?! New York's ATMs must be huge.

And the person seeing this counted it how?!



ETA: I see I was beat on the $400K thing.
 
I notice Wiz seems reluctant to respond to the ATM point.......


ETA: although in all fairness, I suppose it could be bedtime in the US right now.
 
I'd like to blame that mistake on the painkillers, but in reality I should look at the clock more often.......
 
Wizard said:
How does his theory on the demolition affect what he saw? How dare you discount all of this hero's testimony because he thinks it was an inside job?
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He is speaking of things he either did not see or has no experience with.

And what prison is he currently in?
 
njslim said:
Can be explained by the fact that firefighters are a tight knit "brotherhood",
there is mutual respect for fellow members of the fraternity. When arriving
on the scene in FEMA gear were viewed as "outsiders" - "suits" from
Washington DC to take over and start giving orders. Being from the area
know many who were involved in the WTC rescue/cleanup including group
of FF from my hometown in upstate NY (Utica).
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Some of this is understandable, of course. However, the people I spoke to said that the chiefs on scene clearly indicated that they only wanted "Union labor" going into the rubble pile. I'm not laying blame anywhere, mind you, and this occurred several days after the fact, when the operation would have been one of recovery rather than rescue and time was not as critical. But I wanted to know if anyone had heard or read this elsewhere.

And Wizard, you have lived down to my expectations of you perfectly. Get out of my thread. If you want to start accusing rescue workers of theft, do so in your own thread, and clearly indicate it as such, so that I can properly ignore it. Thanks!
 
Wizard said:
There is rumoured to be a video of of firefighters stealing 400,000 bucks from an ATM.
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From an ATM?

Most ATMs are loaded with $20 bills (sometimes $10 bills as well), and dispensers hold around 1000 to 3000 bills.

That leaves you $340,000 short. Unless, of course, you're arguing that it had $100 bills in it. Then you'd only be $100,000 short.

As we all love to say: Can you provide evidence?
 
Back in my early IT career worked for company that maintained ATM - had to
write software to poll machines for each bank and determine how much cash
on hand, how much disbursed, what machines empty or not responding.
Most ATM disburse $20 increments (some $10), a few $5. Machines now
often only disburse $20 as is easier to track, fewer parts, less maintenance
 
njslim said:
Back in my early IT career worked for company that maintained ATM - had to
write software to poll machines for each bank and determine how much cash
on hand, how much disbursed, what machines empty or not responding.
Most ATM disburse $20 increments (some $10), a few $5. Machines now
often only disburse $20 as is easier to track, fewer parts, less maintenance
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About how much total cash would each hold, on average?

My guess is that it's a lot less than four hundred grand.

Wizard, why do you lie and make baby Carl Sagan cry?
 
Wizard said:
There is rumoured to be a video of of firefighters stealing 400,000 bucks from an ATM.
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yes, atm's normally hold $400,000 (that is wrong btw) I worked at a bank in the year after my high school and before college and the most that most ATM's carry is less than $8,000 as they are , refilled daily and on the weekends only $9,000 - $10,000

Nice that you dont post this "rumored" video either.
 
Arus808 said:
yes, atm's normally hold $400,000 (that is wrong btw) I worked at a bank in the year after my high school and before college and the most that most ATM's carry is less than $8,000 as they are , refilled daily and on the weekends only $9,000 - $10,000

Nice that you dont post this "rumored" video either.
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Okay, so my estimate based on capacity was something like three to six times higher than the actual amounts put in. Thanks for the edumacation.

That means Wizard's ATM theft thing is even more ridiculous.
 
JonnyFive said:
Okay, so my estimate based on capacity was something like three to six times higher than the actual amounts put in. Thanks for the edumacation.

That means Wizard's ATM theft thing is even more ridiculous.
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well there is also a reason why aTM's dont hold as much cash as Wizard claims that isn't related to capacity. it also relates to safety (of customers) and accountability (for the bank)

Its easier to make sure your ATM is working properly when it doesn't hold large amounts of cash.

For customer safety, it also means that you wont have a "atm" jacker forcing each customer that comes along to take as much money out as they can

and of course for those thieves that decide to take a truck and try to rip those things out of walls too.
 
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