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WTC Discussion: Core Column Temperature & Failure.

28th Kingdom said:
That's what it looks and sounds like when you actually try and write out the impossibility of this anti-science scenario. Just like the 9/11 Commission says, the core of the WTC Towers is hollow...so that would explain how these two modern marvels of structural engineering could so easily collapse on themselves...in 10 seconds. The ten seconds is debatable...oh no, wait NIST even says this...oh no, wait they changed their mind...oh no, wait they just said it again....oh no, they were being deceptively vague that time....oh no, wait I don't even know what they're saying now...oh no, I'm sure they're infallible though, oh no, wait they just compared the color of burned material to the color of burning material, oh now wait...it feels like my mind is going in circles...oh no, wait...do the core columns even exist, or did I just dream that...oh no...it feels like my brain is starting to melt...oh no...
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HUH?
 
28th Kingdom said:
That's what it looks and sounds like when you actually try and write out the impossibility of this anti-science scenario. Just like the 9/11 Commission says, the core of the WTC Towers is hollow...so that would explain how these two modern marvels of structural engineering could so easily collapse on themselves...in 10 seconds. The ten seconds is debatable...oh no, wait NIST even says this...oh no, wait they changed their mind...oh no, wait they just said it again....oh no, they were being deceptively vague that time....oh no, wait I don't even know what they're saying now...oh no, I'm sure they're infallible though, oh no, wait they just compared the color of burned material to the color of burning material, oh now wait...it feels like my mind is going in circles...oh no, wait...do the core columns even exist, or did I just dream that...oh no...it feels like my brain is starting to melt...oh no...
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WTF??
 
28th Kingdom said:
That's what it looks and sounds like when you actually try and write out the impossibility of this anti-science scenario.
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Given that 3 posts ago you conclusively proved that you've never taken a physics class, your determination that the NIST scenario is "anti-science" is worthless.
 
28th Kingdom said:
That's what it looks and sounds like when you actually try and write out the impossibility of this anti-science scenario. Just like the 9/11 Commission says, the core of the WTC Towers is hollow...so that would explain how these two modern marvels of structural engineering could so easily collapse on themselves...in 10 seconds. The ten seconds is debatable...oh no, wait NIST even says this...oh no, wait they changed their mind...oh no, wait they just said it again....oh no, they were being deceptively vague that time....oh no, wait I don't even know what they're saying now...oh no, I'm sure they're infallible though, oh no, wait they just compared the color of burned material to the color of burning material, oh now wait...it feels like my mind is going in circles...oh no, wait...do the core columns even exist, or did I just dream that...oh no, wait...it feels like my brain is starting to melt...oh no...
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your inability to understand a scientific report is not NISTs fault, nor is it the fault of anyone here, its a purely personal problem
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Given that 3 posts ago you conclusively proved that you've never taken a physics class, your determination that the NIST scenario is "anti-science" is worthless.
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he also never took any kind of class where logic is required.
Apparently doesn't realize that a single W16x50 beam 1300 feet tall will have a bearing load of 65000 lb at the bottom, and zero at the top.
The fact that it will have buckled (thus, it will fail) well before 1300 feet will never register with him/it
 
Bell said:
You should get him to be domesticated.
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He's mostly better now. I think his previous family didn't do a good job of socializing him. The first 6 months I had him were pretty violent, but he's settled down now, except for the occasional lapse. The 23rd is our aniversary!
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Given that 3 posts ago you conclusively proved that you've never taken a physics class, your determination that the NIST scenario is "anti-science" is worthless.
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The outer perimeters break...the upper mass falls straight down...within a second or so...the 37 non-severed core columns on WTC 2 are still completely intact from the foundation through the impact floors and up into the upper floors. How can you logically think that these core columns just snap as soon as the outer perimeter breaks? It's probably because you're not using your right-brain to visualize this scenario....if you were, it would look sort of like this:

A 100lbs anvil is dropped on a raw egg... the anvil cracks in half...meanwhile the egg remains unbroken and without damage.

That's not a comparison to the collapse...just an illustration of how absurd it is to think that the core columns just telescoped down on themselves as soon as the outer perimeter failed on the impact floors.

None of you ever tried to envision the fact that the 37 non-severed core columns were still running from the base of the building through the impact floors and up to the hat truss located at the top of the upper floors. There was no falling mass on the core columns at the time of the initial collapse...that's what you're all not thinking about. It looks like the entire impact floors just melted away...causing the upper mass to crash down on the lower floors...but we know better than that...because those VERTICAL core columns, were still non-severed and running through the impact floors...so it's not even possible to think that they could have magically snapped or buckled in the span of one second...let alone continued to buckle and snap all the way down.
 
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Gravy said:
Dumbest post ever in the conspiracy theories subforum?

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Emm, 28th I think Gravy was pointing out you made the dumbest post ever, not requesting to try to post the dumbest ever.

28th Kingdom said:
That's what it looks and sounds like when you actually try and write out the impossibility of this anti-science scenario. Just like the 9/11 Commission says, the core of the WTC Towers is hollow...so that would explain how these two modern marvels of structural engineering could so easily collapse on themselves...in 10 seconds. The ten seconds is debatable...oh no, wait NIST even says this...oh no, wait they changed their mind...oh no, wait they just said it again....oh no, they were being deceptively vague that time....oh no, wait I don't even know what they're saying now...oh no, I'm sure they're infallible though, oh no, wait they just compared the color of burned material to the color of burning material, oh now wait...it feels like my mind is going in circles...oh no, wait...do the core columns even exist, or did I just dream that...oh no, wait...it feels like my brain is starting to melt...oh no...
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28th Kingdom said:
The outer perimeters break...the upper mass falls straight down...within a second or so...the 37 non-severed core columns on WTC 2 are still completely intact from the foundation through the impact floors and up into the upper floors. How can you logically think that these core columns just snap as soon as the outer perimeter breaks? It's probably because you're not using your right-brain to visualize this scenario....if you were, it would look sort of like this:

A 100lbs anvil is dropped on a raw egg... the anvil cracks in half...meanwhile the egg remains unbroken and without damage.

That's not a comparison to the collapse...just an illustration of how absurd it is to think that the core columns just telescoped down on themselves as soon as the outer perimeter failed on the impact floors.

None of you ever tried to envision the fact that the 37 non-severed core columns were still running from the base of the building through the impact floors and up to the hat truss located at the top of the upper floors. There was no falling mass on the core columns at the time of the initial collapse...that's what you're all not thinking about. It looks like the entire impact floors just melted...and caused the upper mass to crash down on the lower floors...but we know better than that...because those VERTICAL core columns, were still non-severed and running through the impact floors...so it's not even possible to think they they could have magically snapped or buckled in the span of one second...let alone continued to buckle and snap all the way down.
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Not visualizing with my right brain??? defaultdotxbe, are you going to apply for the million dollars?
 
28th Kingdom said:
The outer perimeters break...the upper mass falls straight down...within a second or so...the 37 non-severed core columns on WTC 2 are still completely intact from the foundation through the impact floors and up into the upper floors. How can you logically think that these core columns just snap as soon as the outer perimeter breaks? It's probably because you're not using your right-brain to visualize this scenario....if you were, it would look sort of like this:

A 100lbs anvil is dropped on a raw egg... the anvil cracks in half...meanwhile the egg remains unbroken and without damage.

That's not a comparison to the collapse...just an illustration of how absurd it is to think that the core columns just telescoped down on themselves as soon as the outer perimeter failed on the impact floors.

None of you ever tried to envision the fact that the 37 non-severed core columns were still running from the base of the building through the impact floors and up to the hat truss located at the top of the upper floors. There was no falling mass on the core columns at the time of the initial collapse...that's what you're all not thinking about. It looks like the entire impact floors just melted away...causing the upper mass to crash down on the lower floors...but we know better than that...because those VERTICAL core columns, were still non-severed and running through the impact floors...so it's not even possible to think they they could have magically snapped or buckled in the span of one second...let alone continued to buckle and snap all the way down.
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let me give you an illustration

and elephant is placed on you shoulders, with posts extending to the ground to hold the weight, then you are shot in the leg, despite this injuray you remain standing and the posts support the elephants weight, then the posts are knocked down and all the elephants weight is on your shoulders

what happens now?

A: because there is no falling weight you good leg and injured leg continue to hold the elephants weight

B: you collapse like a sack of pototoes
 
28th Kingdom said:
...it feels like my mind is going in circles...oh no, wait... I just dream that...oh no, wait...it feels like my brain is starting to melt...oh no...
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We already know this!

A first. Some hard facts!!!

Facts have been posted for the first time.

Good work 28th
 
28th Kingdom said:
The outer perimeters break...the upper mass falls straight down...within a second or so...the 37 non-severed core columns on WTC 2 are still completely intact from the foundation through the impact floors and up into the upper floors. How can you logically think that these core columns just snap as soon as the outer perimeter breaks? It's probably because you're not using your right-brain to visualize this scenario....if you were, it would look sort of like this:

A 100lbs anvil is dropped on a raw egg... the anvil cracks in half...meanwhile the egg remains unbroken and without damage.

That's not a comparison to the collapse...just an illustration of how absurd it is to think that the core columns just telescoped down on themselves as soon as the outer perimeter failed on the impact floors.

None of you ever tried to envision the fact that the 37 non-severed core columns were still running from the base of the building through the impact floors and up to the hat truss located at the top of the upper floors. There was no falling mass on the core columns at the time of the initial collapse...that's what you're all not thinking about. It looks like the entire impact floors just melted away...causing the upper mass to crash down on the lower floors...but we know better than that...because those VERTICAL core columns, were still non-severed and running through the impact floors...so it's not even possible to think that they could have magically snapped or buckled in the span of one second...let alone continued to buckle and snap all the way down.
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Selfbuckling of columns

A free-standing, vertical column of circular crosssection with density, ρ, Young's modulus, E, and radius, r, will buckle under its own weight if its height exceeds a certain critical height (see link for nice equation - Not that you will understand it)
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Right brained enough for you? Or hare brained enough? When will you admit you're just too ignorant to comment on this sort of thing?
 
stateofgrace said:
Emm, 28th I think Gravy was pointing out you made the dumbest post ever, not requesting to try to post the dumbest ever.
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What is wrong with 28K trying to top himself? At this point he's approaching Lance Armstrong-like performance. Setting records that probably won't be broken in our lifetime.

BTW: What happened to the first 27 kingdoms?
 
28th Kingdom said:
None of you ever tried to envision the fact that the 37 non-severed core columns were still running from the base of the building through the impact floors and up to the hat truss located at the top of the upper floors. There was no falling mass on the core columns at the time of the initial collapse...that's what you're all not thinking about. It looks like the entire impact floors just melted away...causing the upper mass to crash down on the lower floors...but we know better than that...because those VERTICAL core columns, were still non-severed and running through the impact floors...so it's not even possible to think that they could have magically snapped or buckled in the span of one second...let alone continued to buckle and snap all the way down.
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When the mass supported by the failing columns was transferred to the core columns by the hat truss, it did fall downward, even if it was only a few inches to a foot. This falling mass increased significantly the total load over just the static load.

The core structure was asymetrically damaged, which means even if the upper mass fell only vertically(possible only in your world), it will sag asymetrically to compensate. This sag will cause lateral movement, which the core was not designed to do.
 
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